Psycho-Babble Psychology Thread 1019357

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One more...

Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2012, at 21:18:29

I believe that...

I'm a little bit broken

 

Re: One more... sleepygirl2

Posted by jane d on June 7, 2012, at 1:02:14

In reply to One more..., posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2012, at 21:18:29

Me too.

 

Re: One more...

Posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2012, at 10:43:21

In reply to One more..., posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2012, at 21:18:29

I'm old and forgotten. And know it's true

 

Re: One more...

Posted by ron1953 on June 7, 2012, at 13:27:02

In reply to Re: One more..., posted by Phillipa on June 7, 2012, at 10:43:21

I believe that....EVERYBODY is a little bit broken.

Most simply hide it well.

 

Re: One more...

Posted by free on June 7, 2012, at 17:30:09

In reply to Re: One more..., posted by ron1953 on June 7, 2012, at 13:27:02

> I believe that....EVERYBODY is a little bit broken.
>
> Most simply hide it well.

Yes, and then, there are some who are too massively messed-up and detached to have an awareness of their brokenness.

I try to avoid these people if I can, as I find them excruciatingly frustrating to interact with.

 

Re: One more... free

Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 7, 2012, at 21:05:14

In reply to Re: One more..., posted by free on June 7, 2012, at 17:30:09

You mean people who never look at themselves??

 

Re: One more... sleepygirl2

Posted by free on June 8, 2012, at 11:26:48

In reply to Re: One more... free, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 7, 2012, at 21:05:14

> You mean people who never look at themselves??


Yes, I guess this is another way to to say it. In my experience, people who are not in touch with their emotional and mental status can't/won't "look" at themselves. I'm generalizing, of course, but these "types" I've encountered were incapable of "looking" at themselves due to detachment and lack of self-awareness. I could go into the whys and the hows, but I'll stop here for now.

I enjoy your interesting threads, by the way.

 

Re: One more...

Posted by b2chica on June 8, 2012, at 13:34:37

In reply to One more..., posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2012, at 21:18:29

and then some of us see and know we're broken, see the ones that aren't and have decided that the broken ones are often more beautiful than the ones that aren't.

b2c.

 

Re: One more...

Posted by sigismund on June 9, 2012, at 2:00:47

In reply to Re: One more... free, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 7, 2012, at 21:05:14

>You mean people who never look at themselves??

It's either that or a conspiracy of public optimism.

They won't stop. You could be half an hour from death and they would be looking on the bright side.

Maybe it's lack of education?

I enjoyed saying that. It must be the drink.

 

Re: One more...

Posted by sigismund on June 9, 2012, at 2:06:01

In reply to Re: One more..., posted by sigismund on June 9, 2012, at 2:00:47

I shouldn't start on funerals. My general position is roll me up against a tree and burn me. But I went to one once in which the preacher more or less demanded of the bereaved that they take comfort from the promise, vouchsafed by the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ, of a reuniting with the deceased in eternity. Now he probably got paid for that and good for him, but it shows they never stop. There is simply no space for the sadness.

 

Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund

Posted by SLS on June 9, 2012, at 6:29:07

In reply to Re: One more..., posted by sigismund on June 9, 2012, at 2:06:01

> I shouldn't start on funerals. My general position is roll me up against a tree and burn me. But I went to one once in which the preacher more or less demanded of the bereaved that they take comfort from the promise, vouchsafed by the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ, of a reuniting with the deceased in eternity. Now he probably got paid for that and good for him, but it shows they never stop. There is simply no space for the sadness.

If there were no organized belief in a hereafter in paradise, how would that affect the suicide rate?

How about if there were no guarantee of eternal damnation for committing suicide?

Personally, I do not believe in a hereafter of any sort. To a large degree, this has prevented me from killing myself. I do, however, believe in God - just not one fashioned in the Judeo-Christian (Abrahamism) conceptualization. My spiritualism has also played a large role in my choosing life over death.

I don't know about the sadness thing. I like to think that I am a hybrid of a realist and an optimist. There is much room for sadness in this. Sadness helped me process the death of my father. It also helps me process my lifetime of suffering.


- Scott

 

Re: One more...

Posted by Dinah on June 9, 2012, at 20:37:01

In reply to One more..., posted by sleepygirl2 on June 6, 2012, at 21:18:29

> I believe that...

I am a heretic in most things.

 

Re: One more... *trigger* SLS

Posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 15:13:14

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund, posted by SLS on June 9, 2012, at 6:29:07

>If there were no organized belief in a hereafter in paradise, how would that affect the suicide rate?

Perhaps there have been societies which have not had a belief in the hereafter and the suicide rate compared to ones which do after controlling for other variables?

My hunch is that suicide rises when life is more meaningless. If the troops are in your street and liable to drag you off to God knows where, you might kill yourself but only rationally as a defensive measure. I guess in such societies during war you can simply be brave if you are feeling hopeless and suicidal? Perhaps that is how many Germans and Russians felt?

 

Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund

Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 10, 2012, at 16:37:27

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger* SLS, posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 15:13:14

Now I've got to read that "man's search for meaning".
I've decided to post again.
I dislike being called some flighty moron.

Anyway, on to the topic of belief.
It's hard for me to imagine believing in something like that.
Spirituality, I mean.
I was raised in a catholic home, with a very catholic mother.
Stations of the cross, rosary beads, holy water, candles, kneelers, confirmation, confession, ash Wednesday, no meat on fridays during lent, giving up something during lent, advent, saints... All that

I'm not sure about everything I carry because of that.
But I dont believe in god.
and I say that without anger and with great respect for those who do.

I don't believe in an afterlife. Maybe I'm just borrowing carbon. But I do love some people, and that is what would be my thoughts.
I had the occasion years ago, to spend time with people who were dying. One told me horrible secrets that she had held onto for years. Another one looked at me, smiled, and patted my hand. Another one gave me that smile.
I could go on...
But it's too much to think about


 

Re: One more... *trigger* sleepygirl2

Posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:19:05

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 10, 2012, at 16:37:27

The creed was cobbled together under the threat of violence by Constantine, wasn't it?

I really doubt there are many Christians who could say they believe it in its entirety. And the Apostles Creed is even stranger. Jesus descends into Hell after his ascension to gather the souls from (I guess) a place like Sheol. Which explains that ridiculous painting I saw in the Prado where the Virgin is in Purgatory (or just above it?) and Jesus and his brother are at her breasts squeezing them so that her breast milk falls on the heads of the damned or the suffering giving them comfort. This, I thought, takes the cake, really and truly.

 

Re: One more... *trigger*

Posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:51:44

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund, posted by sleepygirl2 on June 10, 2012, at 16:37:27

The doctor who went onto the train with the orphaned kids, holding their hands as he went. I forget his name now. Warsaw ghetto I think. I have often wondered about the look in his eye.

 

Re: One more... *trigger*

Posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:55:56

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger*, posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:51:44

I happened to see Janusz Korczak and his orphans leaving the ghetto. The evacuation of the Jewish orphanage run by Janusz Korczak had been ordered for that morning. The children were to have been taken away alone. He had the chance to save himself, and it was only with difficulty that he persuaded the Germans to take him too. He had spent long years of his life with children and now, on this last journey, he could not leave them alone. He wanted to ease things for them. He told the orphans they were going out in to the country, so they ought to be cheerful. At last they would be able to exchange the horrible suffocating city walls for meadows of flowers, streams where they could bathe, woods full of berries and mushrooms. He told them to wear their best clothes, and so they came out into the yard, two by two, nicely dressed and in a happy mood. The little column was led by an SS man..."

 

Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund

Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 11, 2012, at 11:08:10

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger* sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:19:05

Wow, those are some wild paintings.

 

Re: One more... *trigger* sigismund

Posted by sleepygirl2 on June 11, 2012, at 11:15:37

In reply to Re: One more... *trigger*, posted by sigismund on June 10, 2012, at 20:51:44

That's a good subject for a painting. I took a class in portrait painting. It's best learned in practice, I think.
Anyway, gestures and facial expressions are very subtle things to capture, and what was funny after that first session is that a lot of the paintings looked in some odd way similar to themselves, though they were working from a model.

But I don't know how to capture that. Fear, terror, and a smile.


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