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Emptying out, envy, and merging

Posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 4:26:05

This may be one of those projective identification thingos.

How would it work?

Maybe: All sorts of good things are put inot others, envy resulting, reclaimable by merger.

It is entirely possible that cause and effect are mixed up here.

Any ideas?

While you're at it you can tell me what unconcious phantasy is, if you like, in a sentence or two.

 

Re: Emptying out, envy, and merging » Declan

Posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 9:02:22

In reply to Emptying out, envy, and merging, posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 4:26:05

I think my mind works on a different plane than yours, Declan!

I feel like there's some poetry that I'm missing.

Feeling kind of dumb and defective, but I'll give it a shot.

Envy- not because the good things are put into others, but because they're put into others and we feel that WE are more deserving.

Reclaiming good things- like stealing? probably not such a good idea. Li would feel guilty.

Merging- like marrying or befriending the gifted one? I'm all for it. I like to be on good terms with people who know useful things and have unique gifts.

Cause of envy- Ask an economist? I rarely have enough self-esteem to feel entitled.

Cause and Effect are always mixed up if they exist within the same system. Kind of like thermodynamics.

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Unconcious fantasy- you have a particular pattern of behavior which makes no sense to you whatsoever. Nor does it make sense to anyone else.

so- it's not the Ich and it's not the Ueber-ich. Therefore it must be the unconscious mind which is driving the behavior/ thoughts. (note I use Freud's original terms rather than their malicious translation "ego" and "superego")

Unconscious fantasy might also be that place that you slip into when you are in a reverie- a daydream. you are awake, and kind of spaced out. daydreaming, dissociating, and when you come back to "the real world" you just have a vague smile on your face, and maybe a part of you is blushing.


-Li

 

Engulfment for example » Lindenblüte

Posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 15:01:51

In reply to Re: Emptying out, envy, and merging » Declan, posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 9:02:22

This might be an easy way to approach it.

Engulfment is merging on involuntary and disadvantageous terms. Romantic love is (maybe) a similar thing on better terms.

With engulfment there is the feeling of having lost some freedom of action. It may be a blurring of boundaries (whatever they are).

I came to the conclusion with myself that engulfment was a subconcious attempt to solve my cosmic loneliness on almost any terms.

It is said with counterintutive plausiblity, that engulfment is active not passive.

Time for a cup of tea and a think.

 

Re: Engulfment for example » Declan

Posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 16:09:23

In reply to Engulfment for example » Lindenblüte, posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 15:01:51

Can I have a cup of tea too?

Are you choosing to blur your individuality?

Are we talking about a white blood cell surrounding and enveloping a foreign invader, who lives happily inside his white blood cell for the rest of his days-- perhaps unaware that he's being "hosted" or perhaps that was nature's design for him? How will we ever know the difference? Or maybe they're not mutually exclusive?

You convinced me. It's tea-time. I'm going to have a cup of whole-leaf jasmine oolong.

4 minutes steeping.

yes. just the thing for a cold chilly day.

-Li

 

Re: Engulfment for example » Lindenblüte

Posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 17:23:37

In reply to Re: Engulfment for example » Declan, posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 16:09:23

We want everything, I guess. We want to be part of, we want to be owned, we want to be free, we want to be seperate.
This balance between belonging and freedom??

How nice to have a cup of oolong.

 

Re: Engulfment for example » Declan

Posted by Lindenblüte on October 16, 2006, at 18:45:24

In reply to Re: Engulfment for example » Lindenblüte, posted by Declan on October 16, 2006, at 17:23:37

A whole pot.

Declan- I'm fragmenting. The bus driver racially profiled me. Drove right past me only stopped after I waved him down and chased the bus half a block. Asked me if I really wanted to get on this bus.

Tersely

Yes, This is the bus I want.

Sat down. fuming.

How Dare He Racially Profile Me on a Rainy Day When his Bus Number Isn't Even Lit, and I Have to Wait Until He Passes The Bus Stop To See The Paper Sign That YES, This Is the Bus I Want to Get On.

Pisses the f*ck out of me. I KNOW I'm a minority. Why doesn't he f*cking rub it in by making me run half a block through the pouring rain where there isn't even a sidewalk, because he's too lazy to slow down to see if perhaps this unlikely person (unlikely because of my RACE and because of the STOP where I'm getting on is largely populated by people of my RACE) is flagging down his bus.

mother. f*cker.

Is that part of "wanting everything"?

I never wanted to be owned, Declan. I want to be cared for, which is different. A lot of people mistreat their possessions. I want to be rescued, and yet left the f*ck alone. I want to be ON the bus, but I'm pissed off because of the way I was humiliated when I got on.

-Li


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