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Re: Dinah

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 17:29:11

In reply to Re: happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 15:56:37

Hi Dinah,

I am glad we are talking about this stuff because it is interesting to me and I hope I am not making you upset. But in my book they say Bipolar is a mood disorder, and not a personality disorder and OCD is a personality disorder.
I think many of us have some minor tendecies torwards some of these personality disorders, but a true personality disorder, you are totally unfunctionable in society. Most people don't have a true personality disorder. I think a lot of people are misdiagnosed and labeled due to insurance companies. I think the majority of us here on the boards probably have mood and anxiety disorders, but most of us don't have personality disorders. But that is just what I think.

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain Dinah

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:15:33

In reply to Re: happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 15:56:37

>...and that therapy can compensate for that with actual biological changes.<

No, you're not botching it.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=5181

This likely isn't exactly what you are talking about, I don't think, but it's close, and what I was reminded of....and I remember when I first discovered these reports, being *thrilled* that they were studying therapy this way and that solid evidence supported what my gut had told me all along...

With what they saw in the PET scans re: CBT, I'd love to see a way found to measure the kinds of biological brain changes made during psychodynamic therapy as well (a lot harder to evaluate long term therapy, w/it's ebbs and flows, I'd guess)....and no, this isn't scientific, but I'd swear my time working hard in therapy with great therapists *has* actually altered my brain functioning outside of therapy, for the better. I don't know what else could explain my now automatic, healthy reactions to things that used to make me sick with anxiety and fear.

It's exciting stuff, IMO.

So Michael83, please take heart and keep an open mind about meds and therapy. There's so much we don't yet know or understand.....and it just could be all good! :-)

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:21:04

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:15:33

Again, we are talking about depression and there is proof that therapy and/or meds do help. But I am talking about personality disorders, which is different thing entirely.

 

BPD vs. BPD? happyflower

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:28:07

In reply to Re: Dinah, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 17:29:11

Hi HF,

I don't think Dinah included Bipolar as a personality disorder. I'm thinking maybe when she used the acronym *BPD* you thought she was referring to Bipolar....? But actually she did mean borderline personality disorder.

It wouldn't be the first time I've seen this acronym cause confusion on Babble when posters use it to mean both, very different, diagnoses.

Or I could be out to lunch and should BUTT OUT of your thread...!

hahha...just reminded me of a time with old T. (pdoc) when I'd seen someone different one time while he was away for 2 weeks. On our first session back, he starts reading the other person's notes, looking so puzzled, then asks me, "you don't have MS, do you? (meaning: multiple sclerosis)" When I looked equally confused back and said, "noooo, not as far as I know," he explained they kept using the letters *MS* and he just figured out they meant *mood swings.*

Just a dumb, silly story. sorry. Those acronyms can cause a world of confusion, though......

 

Re: personality disorders listed happyflower

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:29:24

In reply to personality disorders listed, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 16:59:24

Just a couple of notes.

By BPD I meant borderline personality disorder, not bipolar disorder.

And confusingly, there are two obsessive compulsive names. Obessive compulsive disorder is an anxiety disorder. Obsessive compulsive personality disorder is classified as an Axis II personality disorder but in the opinion of many is based in anxiety and defenses against anxiety. The movies confuse the two sometimes, throwing in bits of one and the other.

For example, "Is This as Good as It Gets" is not accurately depicting obsessive compulsive disorder (alone). The main character likely had an Axis II disorder as well.

What I'm trying to say is that a lot of thinking now is along the lines of finding biological underpinning to the Axis II disorders. For example the affective instability of borderline personality disorder having underpinnings in as yet unclassified mood disorder (and shown to have biological underpinnings by the physostigmine challenge study as well as by good old common sense).

And as a matter of fact, I've been formally (and incorrectly I think) diagnosed with one personality disorder and informally (and correctly I think) diagnosed with another. I'm certainly not ashamed of it, although my therapist and I fought for a year over the (I still think incorrect) formal diagnosis.

 

Re: BPD vs. BPD? (Dinah and 10derheart) 10derHeart

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:32:08

In reply to BPD vs. BPD? happyflower, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:28:07

Yup, me mistakey! sorry dinah!
You can butt into my posts anytime you like, 10der! ;-) So how the heck are you anyways?

BPD could also mean broken penis disorder ! ;-)

 

Re: BPD vs. BPD? 10derHeart

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:33:03

In reply to BPD vs. BPD? happyflower, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:28:07

Precisely. :)

Those studies are exciting aren't they?

As well as the ones Pfinstegg talks about at times.

I remember seeing Brain Lock and seeing the SPECT studies before and after CBT therapy for OCD and being amazed. Although I'm still not totally convinced that SPECT scans are showing the cause of the disorder so much as the effect. But now I'm confusing myself. :)

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain happyflower

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:34:35

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:21:04

I realize that :-)

I was just responding to what I thought Dinah might be thinking of/mentioning in the middle of her post, not linking to it as being an article about personality disorders.

Sorry....I need to mind my own business today or something. I couldn't stay on topic or even get my T. to understand me this morning...and he's used to the way my brain jumps around topics....:-(

Maybe it's this blasted head cold....

 

Re: personality disorders listed Dinah

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:36:32

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:29:24

Hey Dinah!

I think I am throughly confused! LOL We might be even agreeing with each other , and I don't know it. LOL Well it is fun to talk about!
I personally think if you aren't a little crazy, then you aren't normal! ;-) How's that?

 

Re: personality disorders listed happyflower

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:40:17

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed Dinah, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:36:32

I guess what I was saying is that I think your professor and the textbook are offering an outlook on the more pessimistic end of the range.

And I guess why I'm persisting in trying to explain why is that there are any number of people diagnosed with personality disorders who either post or lurk. And those pessimistic assessments can be discouraging.

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain 10derHeart

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:40:57

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain happyflower, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:34:35

Hey 10der!

Please don't mind your own business, the more the merrier! LOL My T still doesn't follow my jumps in topics. It is kinda funny, well at least I make him earn his big bucks from me. LOL I did get ya, by the way, I am just being silly today, sorry. LOL

 

Re: personality disorders listed Dinah

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:42:48

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:29:24

<grin>

Bet you didn't mean to link to that book by....Gene Simmons!!! Of KISS fame? Or just the same name? I read through the page and still couldn't be sure.

How ironic though, it's a self-help book...........

How 'bout.....

"As Good As It Gets"

and now, my O/C for correcting stuff is soothed for the moment....thanks, Dinah! ;-)

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain happyflower

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:46:43

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain 10derHeart, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:40:57

No, it's okay, I was being all sensitive., 'cause when I'm sick I feel/act like a little child...

Figure if I can't do that here......

I love silly. Never change.

I have to go lie (lay?) (whatever!) down. This cold is kicking my &%$!

Loved your *alternative* meaning for BPD....very funny!

 

Re: personality disorders listed Dinah

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:47:32

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:40:17

Hi Dinah,

I think we do agree on this thing after all. My teacher does say that they are making temendous strides in helping people with personality disorders. They just have a long way to go. What I think is great is that it is a biological thing, which can be fixed, controlled or cured. That is awesome I think. She said something about trying to find the genes for these disorders, so they can make a medicine for it. I think there is a lot of hope for the future for people who suffer personality disorders, but I am sure a lot of those people would agree that there needs to be more done. ;-)

 

Re: BPD vs. BPD? Dinah

Posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:49:23

In reply to Re: BPD vs. BPD? 10derHeart, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:33:03

It IS confusing, but so promising!

I do remember those posts by Pfinstegg now. I think I read and tried to follow but was having trouble with attention and focus....oh, wow, how very unusual {said with much sarcasm} for me!

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain 10derHeart

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:49:29

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain happyflower, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:46:43

Take care 10der! ((((((10der))))). Do you smell the chicken soup I have cooking for you on my stove.
Hugs,
Happyflower

 

I just love these kind of discussions, it's fun!!! (nm)

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:53:23

In reply to BPD vs. BPD? happyflower, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:28:07

 

But I am sorry if I am being discouraging anyone.

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:55:38

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed happyflower, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 18:40:17

I really don't mean to be, I just want to learn and discuss this stuff. So sorry if I did bring anyone down. You all can make fun of my sex somnia if you want. I don't mind. ;-)

 

Re: personality disorders listed 10derHeart

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 19:41:09

In reply to Re: personality disorders listed Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:42:48

Thanks for correcting. :) I didn't check the link.

 

Re: BPD vs. BPD? 10derHeart

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 19:42:53

In reply to Re: BPD vs. BPD? Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:49:23

You're way too rough on yourself. You've had your wits more about you than I have (obviously) in this thread. :)

 

Re: But I am sorry if I am being discouraging anyo

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 19:43:48

In reply to But I am sorry if I am being discouraging anyone., posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 18:55:38

I didn't mean to make *you* feel bad either.

There is a lot of work still to be done. And I too enjoy this sort of discussion.

 

For Michael 83 and Dinah Dinah

Posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 20:25:02

In reply to Re: But I am sorry if I am being discouraging anyo, posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 19:43:48

Hey Dinah,

I am okay, you didn't make me feel bad at all, but I am glad you brought it to my attention, that what I was saying can be disacouraging especially maybe to the orginal poster, which seemed to have been lost in all of this.

So I delievered a swift kick to my butt for being insensitive to Michaels83's feelings. I should be offering support instead. I think I should have started another thread about this. Sorry Michael, if I made you feel bad.
((((((Michael))))
Dinah it was nice talking to you. ;-)

 

Re: For Michael 83

Posted by Dinah on June 27, 2006, at 20:34:50

In reply to For Michael 83 and Dinah Dinah, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 20:25:02

You're right, and I also apologize to Michael 83.

Michael, meds and therapy acting in concert can make a very big difference. A *very* big difference.

 

Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain 10derHeart

Posted by Michael83 on June 27, 2006, at 23:20:46

In reply to Re: CBT and observable changes in the brain Dinah, posted by 10derHeart on June 27, 2006, at 18:15:33

>>>So Michael83, please take heart and keep an open mind about meds and therapy. There's so much we don't yet know or understand.....and it just could be all good! :-)

Or it could be bad. That's another thing I worry about.

I am only 22, but I expect to live to be 100. In fact, my personal goal is to live to be 118 (I'd like to say I lived during three different centuries.) I expect by the second half of the 21st century, health care will be one hundred fold better than it is now, so I don't think my hopes are unreasonable.

My worry is that meds will do irreversible damage to my brain. As humans, are brains are the centerpiece of our existence. Everything else in the body only exists to maintain the brain. We ourselves (our conscious selves) are just brains inhabiting bodies (the tool(s) we use to connect to the outside world).

I cannot risk damaging my brain.

 

Re: For Michael 83 and Dinah happyflower

Posted by Michael83 on June 27, 2006, at 23:30:16

In reply to For Michael 83 and Dinah Dinah, posted by happyflower on June 27, 2006, at 20:25:02

Don't feel sorry, I come here seeking the truth, not a "feel good" story. And I can smell a "feel good" story a mile away (thank you for being truthful). ;-)

I understand that there may not be "cures" (per se), and only "temporary fixes" that will last us long enough until we no longer are needed on this Earth.

I just want my brain to work in the same relatively stress free fashion everyone else's does, without ridding of the unique characteristics I was born with. But I am fearful the characteristics that make me unique, and shape the way I think are the creators of the problems I suffer from.

It's sort of like trying to create a car with zero emission. (figuratively) *sigh*

And I'm shocked by the response my thread has gotten (I feel like Steve Urkel, "Did I do thaaaat?"). I was just curious if anyone had any success stories to tell. It seems like most people in meds here still haven't found that magic combination and still struggle with their issues.


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