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Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20
In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:42:00
I didn't talk about Hitler and Stalin *all the time*. I also talked about myself, but eventually I ran out of things to say and got bored with me. And I was reading C20 history....it was so weird and awful and terrifying and recent that I kind of felt better about myself, so I read this small library of apparently very depressing books.
Declan
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20
In reply to Re: Therapy » Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:37:05
< I need meetings for the dually diagnosed and there aren't any around here. I started feeling so out of place that I haven't been in probably a year. >
your above is in the top 3 reasons i quit attending na at 2 1/2 yrs - of my 9.
met a nice couple from AZ at about 8 yrs. - din-din after my home-group meeting. they DO (or did) have dual dx in the phoenix area. way too hot me out there; no ty!
i did have the pleasure of having similar, but, of course, led by an sa counselor, in my hometown's detox; place now gone - cut for 'financial reasons;' 1st of all depts. to go. typical newer trend. sad. this guy was NOT a former 'addict,' unlike all others. imo, that's BIG plus; many will disagree...ach. he'd been there since inception. program had already been cut back from 3 or 4 wks to 18 days ( 6 mos. aftercare.) place was around for many years. separate psych ward on another floor = always good idea.
now, there is almost nowhere for folks to go, no matter how dire their situation; still may be 2 or 3 in the 'big city,' cincinnnati 1... a ways up north.
these classes i had were called double trouble (in reverence to stevie ray vaughn - joking). the phoenix couple told me their dual dx na meetings were called same.
i don't find the term offensive, but far closer to the truth funny. i might even stop into 1 of those.... ha....
pulse
Posted by Paulbwell on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy » Declan, posted by pulse on June 23, 2006, at 15:01:35
> hey bub,
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> ONLY 3,000 hrs?! you light-weight, you.
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> i'm not some therapy fanatic. as a matter of fact, i'm already on a sabbatical from it for the next 3-4 months - minimum.
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> when attending, i feel quite free to talk about any topic i so chose, but not hitler or stalin...yet.
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> thanx for tip - running out of material.
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> pulse
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Hi Ya Dr!So you are a house surgeon? Registrar?
If perhaps i had continued my high school schooling, i may well have, an MbChb Degree hanging on my wall, instead of the Arts Degree-with a mjor in media studies, instead of Med, which would have been preferable, then i co
uld script for myself? aquaintainces?
Dr paul***** should have been my destiny.Cheers
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:42:00
was suggestible; much less so now. in contrast, my therapist is kind, highly dedicated, & knowledgeable, but i've had to (rarely) ask her to confront me more.
my 'stubborness' has been foremost in allowing me to save my own life in recent years.
see nothing wrong with being a rebel, as it's beyond necessary in certain situations w/certain people. just have to control impulses w/ law enforcement and the like, when or if that comes up.
< When I am having an episode where I can't think and all confused and can't make a decision, I will gladly do whatever you say. But if I am not having an episode, I will no doubt rebel and do the opposite as I am still defiant of authority. >
this is typical for many a depressive, although the 1st part *may* apply more often to women with the dx.
pulse
Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy » Donna Louise, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 22:18:13
> I didn't talk about Hitler and Stalin *all the time*. I also talked about myself, but eventually I ran out of things to say and got bored with me. And I was reading C20 history....it was so weird and awful and terrifying and recent that I kind of felt better about myself, so I read this small library of apparently very depressing books.
> Declan
I am fascinated by psychopaths and think it is an excellent topic for discussion. At least that is not one of my problems, like you say, at least I can feel good about that. I watch those kinds of shows on tv. And movies like "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer". There, my dark side is out, but I can't help but just find this stuff fascinating in a most horrible way. But I can't rubberneck at car wreck!!!donna
Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy » Donna Louise, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:14:54
> was suggestible; much less so now. in contrast, my therapist is kind, highly dedicated, & knowledgeable, but i've had to (rarely) ask her to confront me more.
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> my 'stubborness' has been foremost in allowing me to save my own life in recent years.
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> see nothing wrong with being a rebel, as it's beyond necessary in certain situations w/certain people. just have to control impulses w/ law enforcement and the like, when or if that comes up.
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> < When I am having an episode where I can't think and all confused and can't make a decision, I will gladly do whatever you say. But if I am not having an episode, I will no doubt rebel and do the opposite as I am still defiant of authority. >
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> this is typical for many a depressive, although the 1st part *may* apply more often to women with the dx.
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> pulseI will just get so tired of trying to think it is a relief for someone else to do it for me. As long as they have my best interest at heart...The older I get, the less doo doo I will take from anyone. People that would have intimidated me no longer do. One of advantage of getting older, and hopefully a little wiser.
I am afraid I am going to get redirected to another board though and my face will turn all red.donna
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy » pulse, posted by Donna Louise on June 24, 2006, at 5:19:56
why in world would you get re-directed to another board IF you mean re: any of your posts in this thread (or any other threads)?
pb meds board has always run 'off topic.' sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!
that's also widely known a just plain over-moderating.
the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.
the pyschology board is not the one for me.
pulse
Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN » pulse, posted by Paulbwell on June 24, 2006, at 3:53:08
Unfortunately I am not a doctor....just a double history major; but I wouldn't last long, I'd misbehave.
Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:39:08
> why in world would you get re-directed to another board IF you mean re: any of your posts in this thread (or any other threads)?
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> pb meds board has always run 'off topic.' sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!
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> that's also widely known a just plain over-moderating.
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> the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.
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> the pyschology board is not the one for me.
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> pulse
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>Yes, I was afraid we were too off the med topic here. I see others get redirected but what you say is very reassuring.
donna
Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN » Paulbwell, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 5:45:35
> Unfortunately I am not a doctor....just a double history major; but I wouldn't last long, I'd misbehave.
I just love history. I would love to audit some classes but that would require a commitment to leave the house.
I was once going to be an xray tech. I was doing really well until a dr. hollered at me. I walked out the door and never went back. I don't want to be anywhere people think it's ok to holler at me.donna
Posted by pseudoname on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:39:08
I'm using pulse's comments, but this is NOT directed at pulse. His well-put & honest thoughts are just a great example to highlight something I've wanted to say for a while.
> sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!
Anything is allowed, but if a thread runs into a series of other-topic posts, it'll probably be re-directed. Unfortunately, re-direction usually kills a discussion, especially since the automatic notices don't follow the redirect. Bob has always re-directed threads; only recently does he seem to be easing up or slacking, depending on your point of view.
> the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.
Very true. Well put.
> the pyschology board is not the one for me.
Even if you're primarily discussing psychotherapy?! Why not? Is it because most of the people are different? Then the segregation of the boards is by popularity, like in high school, and not topic!
I have tried for YEARS to get discussions going on the Psych board that are contrary to its prevailing dependent-on-my-therapist cathartic dyadic zeitgeist with minimal success. I remember mattdds failed at that and essentially left Babble. But of COURSE the attempts will always fail if people with other ideas and attitudes say "The Psych board is not for me" even when discussing psychotherapy!!
Segregation of topic is exactly why Bob created the psych board in the first place. It was NOT so that a certain group (mostly women) can go over there, while this other group stays over here!
I've read several times lately where people say they're knowingly starting off-topic threads on the meds board because, "my friends are here", or "I don't know anyone on those other boards". Which is really cool that people feel that connection. But this isn't a high school lunch room. It's a topic-specific internet forum.
And THIS post, if anyone replies, will probably get re-directed, too, but I needed to say it. Thanks for reading.
Posted by Squiggles on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Why is Psych board not for you?, posted by pseudoname on June 24, 2006, at 8:47:33
> ...
> Anything is allowed, but if a thread runs into a series of other-topic posts, it'll probably be re-directed. Unfortunately, re-direction usually kills a discussion, especially since the automatic notices don't follow the redirect. Bob has always re-directed threads; only recently does he seem to be easing up or slacking, depending on your point of view.....
Redirection doesn't bother me. Right now,
I'm on vacation so I read the posts mostly,
but a change of pessimism regarding medications
is coming over me - not so much for my health
because lithium is an excellent drug (requiring
a meter - which could be manufactured if the
medical technologists put their heads together)
but for my close friend and friends of hers, some
of whom have died under sad conditions of mental
health care; losing some quality
of life for many years and being in a
chronic state of chemical bondage. I think other people too, suffer from inadequate or just poor drugs.I hope scientific endeavours are increased instead of grants for the genome project, e.g. - i mean what are they going to do if they find that mental illness IS genetic - change the genes in middle life, practice eugenics or just forget about psychopharmacology altogether;
Squiggles
Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN » Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 24, 2006, at 8:10:05
It must be the power...some doctors have been very rude to me too, and it's something you hear again and again.
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21
In reply to Why is Psych board not for you?, posted by pseudoname on June 24, 2006, at 8:47:33
thanks and fyi i'm female. ROFLMAO. are you male or female? don't know that it matters, just curious.
glad you liked and used my points, but the bulk of your post does *seem* to be directed at me, certainly toward the end. perhaps your intent was to get everyone to think about all YOUR good points, and, as is your hope, then take some action toward those ends.
i wish the psychology board was for me. however, let's just say i've made a hard and fast rule/ promise to myself that currently prevents my being there.
i don't care either for what i believe you mean by segregation, but i would prefer some more organization in the psychology board. something along lines of what the owner/admin of crazymeds' crazy talk USED to do. i just visited there a few days ago, and was aghast at how lacking in the former good-natured poking fun at every dx under the sun - that it now is. my guess is that jerod finally, after fighting mightily and for far too long, caved to some sort of relentless pressure. anyone can only take so much. i could always be completely wrong re: the why/s of the extreme changes over there.
*i'm confused: first you say no to the off-topic police (agree it most definitely DOES kill discussions). then, you say yes to pb being topic-specific boards.
i realize that pb is huge and that probably only so many boards are feasible. not to segregate, but, rather as break-it-down categories. not to make cutesy, and often couterproductive clique-forming easy, but to prevent some to many untoward (minimizing) events from happening.
even though i've seen the other boards listed here for some time, it rarely occurs to me to go to them. also, i'm on sabbatical from therapy, and intent on lightening up, unless something really catches my interest such as the - in no way unusual - turn this very thread veered onto. i'd be more inclined to visit the social board.
as with donna, i see no reason for your post (or mine) to be re-directed.
*actually, i came back in for the following: gardengirl, you do an excellent job of moderating. you've that inate ability to be fair, funny, AND still be able to bring down the hammer hard and fast, when the relatively few situations here, warrant it. that's the kind of forum mod & admin. i was & also the kind of group facilitator i've been. 'dirty job but someone has to do it.' remember, though, gg, sometimes it can feel like 'no good deed goes unpunished.'
pulse, i AM woman.....
Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Re: Why Psych board not for you? gg i forgot ty » pseudoname, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 13:36:28
Hi Pulse
I went to Faith for a bit and made a display of myself by talking about the Gospel according to Thomas, sex, and the fascinating psychology of the Mass, but decided it was kinder all round not to do so.
I took you for a bloke too.
Declan
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Boards » pulse, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 13:52:03
you 2 are killing me.
could it be TRUE that the short-lived 1, between the 2 good therapists i've had,...who, btw, had her eyes glued to my then husband's ...ummm, shall we say ....'lower region,' was right afterall? she said i'd been raised as if a son. i thought she was crazy as a loon.
ok: what/ why a bloke?
pulse, the gender-confused
Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Re: Boards » Declan, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 14:36:09
> you 2 are killing me.
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> could it be TRUE that the short-lived 1, between the 2 good therapists i've had,...who, btw, had her eyes glued to my then husband's ...ummm, shall we say ....'lower region,' was right afterall? she said i'd been raised as if a son. i thought she was crazy as a loon.
Pulse, FWIW, I knew you were a woman. Never entered my mind otherwise. However, I was tomboy and still am and we do relate pretty well so maybe I am just recognizing another tomboy? Or girl that has also been around the block a few times? Similar history thing. I guess with a name like Donna there is little doubt as to my gender.
dl
> ok: what/ why a bloke?
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Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Boards » pulse, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 13:52:03
> Hi Pulse
> I went to Faith for a bit and made a display of myself by talking about the Gospel according to Thomas, sex, and the fascinating psychology of the Mass, but decided it was kinder all round not to do so.
> I took you for a bloke too.
> DeclanSounds fascinating to me. Maybe we could have a board for discussions of this nature. I am only have joking. Now that I think more about it, I am not joking. It would be fun and stimulating. Just what I am always looking for, fun and stimulation..
donna
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Re: Boards » pulse, posted by Donna Louise on June 25, 2006, at 5:08:33
Donna,
it's obvious you're highly intuitive.
< Or girl that has also been around the block a few times? Similar history thing. >
of the 2, it HAS to be the above 1!
believe it or not, i was as far way from a tomboy as could be; prissy little thing, but likely due to being an only child, was also always the natural leader w/ all my little friends.
i've 1 email addy & i've also used same - 'msprs' - at some net forums - as a joke on myself.
alot of my former men problems have to do with this: i look very feminine, even w/ no makeup or other 'accessories', so not a thing i can do about, not that i feel i should. contrasted with:
i'm as opposite as could be, far as the true nature i almost always show, if not immediately, then, just a very short way down road.
when i told my ex this theory, he commented simply, 'ya think? '
thank you,
pulse
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Re: Boards » Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 25, 2006, at 5:19:13
< Just what I am always looking for, fun and stimulation.. >
i'll 2nd that.
pulse
Posted by pseudoname on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Re: Why Psych board not for you? gg i forgot ty » pseudoname, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 13:36:28
> thanks and fyi i'm female.
Sorry.
> are you male or female? don't know that it matters, just curious.
Male. Everyone in Toronto said they thought I was a female.
Before they met me.
> the bulk of your post does *seem* to be directed at me, certainly toward the end.
You're right; I worded the last sections with "you". I should've at least rephrased that. I really didn't want to charge against you; it was something that had been building over a long time and I could've generalized it much better.
All the same, you seem pretty cool (like collected) and level in response to me, so thanks and sorry again.
> i wish the psychology board was for me. however, let's just say i've made a hard and fast rule/ promise to myself that currently prevents my being there.
Hmm.
> *i'm confused: first you say no to the off-topic police (agree it most definitely DOES kill discussions). then, you say yes to pb being topic-specific boards.
Topic-specific boards do help foster discussions and manage half a million posts. I'm sorry when discussions get re-directed, because it hurts them, but I think the major board divisions are workable.
Ditto your props to gg.
> pulse, i AM woman.....
Roar on! :-)
Posted by pseudoname on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to Why is Psych board not for you?, posted by pseudoname on June 24, 2006, at 8:47:33
…that I think the "prevailing zeitgeist" on the Psych Board is important and valuable, and I don't want anyone NOT to post about their experiences in that vein. I just would like to see, for my own development, some diversity and even pro-and-con discussions there.
Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to and I should also add…, posted by pseudoname on June 25, 2006, at 11:15:40
All that stuff I wanted to post on Faith could have gone on Psychology. I'm not a Christian in a 'say the creed' sense and think that the question 'is it true' is kinda what you expect from a scientist or a child (excuse me). But there are important questions of values and suffering that I would like to talk about that have nothing to do with my T (excuse me again)and relate more to the sorts of things people talk about here. Still.....
Declan
Posted by llrrrpp on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to and I should also add…, posted by pseudoname on June 25, 2006, at 11:15:40
Yes, pseudo,
I think that the psych board also needs a bit more diversity. I think that the current discussions there are great. I'm getting a lot out of them, but if people aren't posting for various reasons, then I suppose i'm missing out on a lot too. That's too bad.In my case, my pdoc and T work together as a team. I know they talk a lot about my case in my absence, because I often don't have to give them updates on what's going on with the other. Also, they both have access to my records, so they can check my doses, and whether I've been showing up to my appt.s regularly. My T helps me get through my life when I have mushy brain from my meds, and he also has some really interesting ideas about how thoughts & the mind change and adjust in response to medicine. He's not an MD, but he's smart, and seems well-read, and that's good enough for me. My pdoc, on the other hand, is a very kind guy, super funny, and a great listener. He would probably be a good T, I just don't know how deep his training goes in that regard. So I can talk to him about behavior stuff, in addition to what the different drugs are doing.
He freely acknowledges that given my initial interview, the diagnosis of T and pdoc confirm each other and all that- there's still no accurate prediction of how I will respond to any given med. It's trial and error, and he seems to be pretty open to me giving suggestions, which is nice. Oh yeah, and he has samples too! I LOVE samples, it's like going trick-or-treating!!
Oh well- I guess I've blabbed on and on enough about this. I just wanted to put in my two cents that behavior and chemistry and cognition are not easily parsed into "discussion boards". If you come here to get support, why not post in multiple places? Variations on a theme? That way you expose the broadest range of psycho-babble folks to your concerns, and you increase your chances of getting feedback that might give you some choices, some inspiration, or at least a cyberhug
yours,
-ll
Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22
In reply to apology and clarifications » pulse, posted by pseudoname on June 25, 2006, at 10:49:28
thank you for your extensive apology.
i assure yout that i'm not all that cool & collected, but always nice to hear. it's especially nice now that i'm in the grips of this d*mnable summer SAD, plus, for first time ever, also still unable to sleep more than 4-5 hrs (i need 8-9). if no sleep, then the tummy goes, and, finally, depression (MDD this time on TOP of SSAD) will catch me, one way or the other.
so, i'm sure everyone can now understand re: this reason, why i, unlike some who care to, can't post on multiple boards.
i do much believe you and i could have some very good conversations, full of insight and learning, so i apologize to you for my not being able to post other than here.
regards,
pulse
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