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Therapy

Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Re: SSRIs and this Board Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 14:28:21

I did it. The maths is
14 X 5 X 50...lets say 3,000 hours, maybe a little less.
I ended up talking about Hitler and Stalin all the time.
Declan

 

Re: Therapy Declan

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Therapy, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 14:48:17

hey bub,

ONLY 3,000 hrs?! you light-weight, you.

i'm not some therapy fanatic. as a matter of fact, i'm already on a sabbatical from it for the next 3-4 months - minimum.

when attending, i feel quite free to talk about any topic i so chose, but not hitler or stalin...yet.

thanx for tip - running out of material.

pulse

 

Re: Therapy Declan

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Therapy, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 14:48:17

> I did it. The maths is
> 14 X 5 X 50...lets say 3,000 hours, maybe a little less.
> I ended up talking about Hitler and Stalin all the time.
> Declan

Wow, that is alot of talking about those guys. I can't even begin to compute the therapy hours. One reason is I don't remember. My memory sucks. Total burnout. But I am very impressed with your calculations and your willingness to do that. It is beyond me.

donna

 

Re: Therapy Declan

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Therapy, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 14:48:17

Hey Pulse, I sent you a long post just now, but I am afraid I hit the delete button or something. I will wait to see if it shows up and repost if it doesn't.
In the meantime, I am thinking, maybe you and I and Declan should start a club. I am sure there are alot more out there like us that could benefit. I started out to write this as a joke but maybe it ain't such a bad idea. In the recovery rooms I have available, you can't really talk about meds and stuff. I need meetings for the dually diagnosed and there aren't any around here. I started feeling so out of place that I haven't been in probably a year.

donna

 

Re: Therapy

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Re: Therapy Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:37:05

RAts, it is not going to show up. To shorten it up, I was just saying that I got so intense that I eventually burned out on therapy and actually got really sick from some suggestions as I am way too susceptable to suggestions. I was feeling psychotic, I was off my meds. I am not psychotic but I was feeling that way. so I made a decision to stop therapy and go ride my horses as far as we could go. If I had the money I would go get a tune up now.
When I am having an episode where I can't think and all confused and can't make a decision, I will gladly do whatever you say. But if I am not having an episode, I will no doubt rebel and do the opposite as I am still defiant of authority. Gads, what a mess.

donna

 

Re: Therapy Donna Louise

Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:42:00

I didn't talk about Hitler and Stalin *all the time*. I also talked about myself, but eventually I ran out of things to say and got bored with me. And I was reading C20 history....it was so weird and awful and terrifying and recent that I kind of felt better about myself, so I read this small library of apparently very depressing books.
Declan

 

Re: Therapy Donna Louise

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:20

In reply to Re: Therapy Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:37:05

< I need meetings for the dually diagnosed and there aren't any around here. I started feeling so out of place that I haven't been in probably a year. >

your above is in the top 3 reasons i quit attending na at 2 1/2 yrs - of my 9.

met a nice couple from AZ at about 8 yrs. - din-din after my home-group meeting. they DO (or did) have dual dx in the phoenix area. way too hot me out there; no ty!

i did have the pleasure of having similar, but, of course, led by an sa counselor, in my hometown's detox; place now gone - cut for 'financial reasons;' 1st of all depts. to go. typical newer trend. sad. this guy was NOT a former 'addict,' unlike all others. imo, that's BIG plus; many will disagree...ach. he'd been there since inception. program had already been cut back from 3 or 4 wks to 18 days ( 6 mos. aftercare.) place was around for many years. separate psych ward on another floor = always good idea.

now, there is almost nowhere for folks to go, no matter how dire their situation; still may be 2 or 3 in the 'big city,' cincinnnati 1... a ways up north.

these classes i had were called double trouble (in reverence to stevie ray vaughn - joking). the phoenix couple told me their dual dx na meetings were called same.

i don't find the term offensive, but far closer to the truth funny. i might even stop into 1 of those.... ha....

pulse

 

Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN pulse

Posted by Paulbwell on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy Declan, posted by pulse on June 23, 2006, at 15:01:35

> hey bub,
>
> ONLY 3,000 hrs?! you light-weight, you.
>
> i'm not some therapy fanatic. as a matter of fact, i'm already on a sabbatical from it for the next 3-4 months - minimum.
>
> when attending, i feel quite free to talk about any topic i so chose, but not hitler or stalin...yet.
>
> thanx for tip - running out of material.
>
> pulse
>
>


Hi Ya Dr!

So you are a house surgeon? Registrar?

If perhaps i had continued my high school schooling, i may well have, an MbChb Degree hanging on my wall, instead of the Arts Degree-with a mjor in media studies, instead of Med, which would have been preferable, then i co
uld script for myself? aquaintainces?
Dr paul***** should have been my destiny.

Cheers

 

Re: Therapy Donna Louise

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by Donna Louise on June 23, 2006, at 21:42:00

was suggestible; much less so now. in contrast, my therapist is kind, highly dedicated, & knowledgeable, but i've had to (rarely) ask her to confront me more.

my 'stubborness' has been foremost in allowing me to save my own life in recent years.

see nothing wrong with being a rebel, as it's beyond necessary in certain situations w/certain people. just have to control impulses w/ law enforcement and the like, when or if that comes up.

< When I am having an episode where I can't think and all confused and can't make a decision, I will gladly do whatever you say. But if I am not having an episode, I will no doubt rebel and do the opposite as I am still defiant of authority. >

this is typical for many a depressive, although the 1st part *may* apply more often to women with the dx.

pulse

 

Re: Therapy Declan

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy Donna Louise, posted by Declan on June 23, 2006, at 22:18:13

> I didn't talk about Hitler and Stalin *all the time*. I also talked about myself, but eventually I ran out of things to say and got bored with me. And I was reading C20 history....it was so weird and awful and terrifying and recent that I kind of felt better about myself, so I read this small library of apparently very depressing books.
> Declan


I am fascinated by psychopaths and think it is an excellent topic for discussion. At least that is not one of my problems, like you say, at least I can feel good about that. I watch those kinds of shows on tv. And movies like "Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer". There, my dark side is out, but I can't help but just find this stuff fascinating in a most horrible way. But I can't rubberneck at car wreck!!!

donna

 

Re: Therapy pulse

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy Donna Louise, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:14:54

> was suggestible; much less so now. in contrast, my therapist is kind, highly dedicated, & knowledgeable, but i've had to (rarely) ask her to confront me more.
>
> my 'stubborness' has been foremost in allowing me to save my own life in recent years.
>
> see nothing wrong with being a rebel, as it's beyond necessary in certain situations w/certain people. just have to control impulses w/ law enforcement and the like, when or if that comes up.
>
> < When I am having an episode where I can't think and all confused and can't make a decision, I will gladly do whatever you say. But if I am not having an episode, I will no doubt rebel and do the opposite as I am still defiant of authority. >
>
> this is typical for many a depressive, although the 1st part *may* apply more often to women with the dx.
>
> pulse

I will just get so tired of trying to think it is a relief for someone else to do it for me. As long as they have my best interest at heart...The older I get, the less doo doo I will take from anyone. People that would have intimidated me no longer do. One of advantage of getting older, and hopefully a little wiser.
I am afraid I am going to get redirected to another board though and my face will turn all red.

donna

 

Re: Therapy

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy pulse, posted by Donna Louise on June 24, 2006, at 5:19:56

why in world would you get re-directed to another board IF you mean re: any of your posts in this thread (or any other threads)?

pb meds board has always run 'off topic.' sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!

that's also widely known a just plain over-moderating.

the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.

the pyschology board is not the one for me.

pulse


 

Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN Paulbwell

Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN pulse, posted by Paulbwell on June 24, 2006, at 3:53:08

Unfortunately I am not a doctor....just a double history major; but I wouldn't last long, I'd misbehave.

 

Re: Therapy pulse

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:39:08

> why in world would you get re-directed to another board IF you mean re: any of your posts in this thread (or any other threads)?
>
> pb meds board has always run 'off topic.' sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!
>
> that's also widely known a just plain over-moderating.
>
> the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.
>
> the pyschology board is not the one for me.
>
> pulse
>
>
>

Yes, I was afraid we were too off the med topic here. I see others get redirected but what you say is very reassuring.

donna

 

Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN Declan

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN Paulbwell, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 5:45:35

> Unfortunately I am not a doctor....just a double history major; but I wouldn't last long, I'd misbehave.


I just love history. I would love to audit some classes but that would require a commitment to leave the house.
I was once going to be an xray tech. I was doing really well until a dr. hollered at me. I walked out the door and never went back. I don't want to be anywhere people think it's ok to holler at me.

donna

 

Why is Psych board not for you?

Posted by pseudoname on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 5:39:08

I'm using pulse's comments, but this is NOT directed at pulse. His well-put & honest thoughts are just a great example to highlight something I've wanted to say for a while.

> sure hope it's not ever going to the trend at so many other fourms: 'off topic' police!

Anything is allowed, but if a thread runs into a series of other-topic posts, it'll probably be re-directed. Unfortunately, re-direction usually kills a discussion, especially since the automatic notices don't follow the redirect. Bob has always re-directed threads; only recently does he seem to be easing up or slacking, depending on your point of view.

> the nature of our various dxes, even compliant ON meds, makes it pretty usual to discuss things tangentally.

Very true. Well put.

> the pyschology board is not the one for me.

Even if you're primarily discussing psychotherapy?! Why not? Is it because most of the people are different? Then the segregation of the boards is by popularity, like in high school, and not topic!

I have tried for YEARS to get discussions going on the Psych board that are contrary to its prevailing dependent-on-my-therapist cathartic dyadic zeitgeist with minimal success. I remember mattdds failed at that and essentially left Babble. But of COURSE the attempts will always fail if people with other ideas and attitudes say "The Psych board is not for me" even when discussing psychotherapy!!

Segregation of topic is exactly why Bob created the psych board in the first place. It was NOT so that a certain group (mostly women) can go over there, while this other group stays over here!

I've read several times lately where people say they're knowingly starting off-topic threads on the meds board because, "my friends are here", or "I don't know anyone on those other boards". Which is really cool that people feel that connection. But this isn't a high school lunch room. It's a topic-specific internet forum.

And THIS post, if anyone replies, will probably get re-directed, too, but I needed to say it. Thanks for reading.

 

Re: Why is Psych board not for you? pseudoname

Posted by Squiggles on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Why is Psych board not for you?, posted by pseudoname on June 24, 2006, at 8:47:33

> ...
> Anything is allowed, but if a thread runs into a series of other-topic posts, it'll probably be re-directed. Unfortunately, re-direction usually kills a discussion, especially since the automatic notices don't follow the redirect. Bob has always re-directed threads; only recently does he seem to be easing up or slacking, depending on your point of view.

....

Redirection doesn't bother me. Right now,
I'm on vacation so I read the posts mostly,
but a change of pessimism regarding medications
is coming over me - not so much for my health
because lithium is an excellent drug (requiring
a meter - which could be manufactured if the
medical technologists put their heads together)
but for my close friend and friends of hers, some
of whom have died under sad conditions of mental
health care; losing some quality
of life for many years and being in a
chronic state of chemical bondage. I think other people too, suffer from inadequate or just poor drugs.

I hope scientific endeavours are increased instead of grants for the genome project, e.g. - i mean what are they going to do if they find that mental illness IS genetic - change the genes in middle life, practice eugenics or just forget about psychopharmacology altogether;

Squiggles

 

Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN Donna Louise

Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Re: Therapy- DR,DECLAN Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 24, 2006, at 8:10:05

It must be the power...some doctors have been very rude to me too, and it's something you hear again and again.

 

Re: Why Psych board not for you? gg i forgot ty pseudoname

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:21

In reply to Why is Psych board not for you?, posted by pseudoname on June 24, 2006, at 8:47:33

thanks and fyi i'm female. ROFLMAO. are you male or female? don't know that it matters, just curious.

glad you liked and used my points, but the bulk of your post does *seem* to be directed at me, certainly toward the end. perhaps your intent was to get everyone to think about all YOUR good points, and, as is your hope, then take some action toward those ends.

i wish the psychology board was for me. however, let's just say i've made a hard and fast rule/ promise to myself that currently prevents my being there.

i don't care either for what i believe you mean by segregation, but i would prefer some more organization in the psychology board. something along lines of what the owner/admin of crazymeds' crazy talk USED to do. i just visited there a few days ago, and was aghast at how lacking in the former good-natured poking fun at every dx under the sun - that it now is. my guess is that jerod finally, after fighting mightily and for far too long, caved to some sort of relentless pressure. anyone can only take so much. i could always be completely wrong re: the why/s of the extreme changes over there.

*i'm confused: first you say no to the off-topic police (agree it most definitely DOES kill discussions). then, you say yes to pb being topic-specific boards.

i realize that pb is huge and that probably only so many boards are feasible. not to segregate, but, rather as break-it-down categories. not to make cutesy, and often couterproductive clique-forming easy, but to prevent some to many untoward (minimizing) events from happening.

even though i've seen the other boards listed here for some time, it rarely occurs to me to go to them. also, i'm on sabbatical from therapy, and intent on lightening up, unless something really catches my interest such as the - in no way unusual - turn this very thread veered onto. i'd be more inclined to visit the social board.

as with donna, i see no reason for your post (or mine) to be re-directed.

*actually, i came back in for the following: gardengirl, you do an excellent job of moderating. you've that inate ability to be fair, funny, AND still be able to bring down the hammer hard and fast, when the relatively few situations here, warrant it. that's the kind of forum mod & admin. i was & also the kind of group facilitator i've been. 'dirty job but someone has to do it.' remember, though, gg, sometimes it can feel like 'no good deed goes unpunished.'

pulse, i AM woman.....

 

Boards pulse

Posted by Declan on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Re: Why Psych board not for you? gg i forgot ty pseudoname, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 13:36:28

Hi Pulse
I went to Faith for a bit and made a display of myself by talking about the Gospel according to Thomas, sex, and the fascinating psychology of the Mass, but decided it was kinder all round not to do so.
I took you for a bloke too.
Declan

 

Re: Boards Declan

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Boards pulse, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 13:52:03

you 2 are killing me.

could it be TRUE that the short-lived 1, between the 2 good therapists i've had,...who, btw, had her eyes glued to my then husband's ...ummm, shall we say ....'lower region,' was right afterall? she said i'd been raised as if a son. i thought she was crazy as a loon.

ok: what/ why a bloke?

pulse, the gender-confused


 

Re: Boards pulse

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Re: Boards Declan, posted by pulse on June 24, 2006, at 14:36:09

> you 2 are killing me.
>
> could it be TRUE that the short-lived 1, between the 2 good therapists i've had,...who, btw, had her eyes glued to my then husband's ...ummm, shall we say ....'lower region,' was right afterall? she said i'd been raised as if a son. i thought she was crazy as a loon.

Pulse, FWIW, I knew you were a woman. Never entered my mind otherwise. However, I was tomboy and still am and we do relate pretty well so maybe I am just recognizing another tomboy? Or girl that has also been around the block a few times? Similar history thing. I guess with a name like Donna there is little doubt as to my gender.

dl
> ok: what/ why a bloke?
>
> pulse, the gender-confused
>
>
>
>
>

 

Re: Boards Declan

Posted by Donna Louise on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Boards pulse, posted by Declan on June 24, 2006, at 13:52:03

> Hi Pulse
> I went to Faith for a bit and made a display of myself by talking about the Gospel according to Thomas, sex, and the fascinating psychology of the Mass, but decided it was kinder all round not to do so.
> I took you for a bloke too.
> Declan

Sounds fascinating to me. Maybe we could have a board for discussions of this nature. I am only have joking. Now that I think more about it, I am not joking. It would be fun and stimulating. Just what I am always looking for, fun and stimulation..

donna

 

Re: Boards Donna Louise

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Re: Boards pulse, posted by Donna Louise on June 25, 2006, at 5:08:33

Donna,

it's obvious you're highly intuitive.

< Or girl that has also been around the block a few times? Similar history thing. >

of the 2, it HAS to be the above 1!

believe it or not, i was as far way from a tomboy as could be; prissy little thing, but likely due to being an only child, was also always the natural leader w/ all my little friends.

i've 1 email addy & i've also used same - 'msprs' - at some net forums - as a joke on myself.

alot of my former men problems have to do with this: i look very feminine, even w/ no makeup or other 'accessories', so not a thing i can do about, not that i feel i should. contrasted with:

i'm as opposite as could be, far as the true nature i almost always show, if not immediately, then, just a very short way down road.

when i told my ex this theory, he commented simply, 'ya think? '

thank you,
pulse

 

Re: Boards Donna Louise

Posted by pulse on June 26, 2006, at 0:56:22

In reply to Re: Boards Declan, posted by Donna Louise on June 25, 2006, at 5:19:13

< Just what I am always looking for, fun and stimulation.. >

i'll 2nd that.

pulse


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