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How come people don't try meditation that much?

Posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

I wonder why folks who come here don't try meditation to help with their emotional issues?

I personally believe it is so very effective.

I am a person with all possible psychological issues - I worry too much, get angry too much, have too much of problem putting up with things, ruminate, obsess, have poor self esteem, get out of control etc. And many days my life is so exasperating for me. There is always one thing or the other that goes wrong. And one complication or the other that needs some sorting through. I have always operated at a much higher level than I really am capable of.

The thing that really really helps me calm my mind is the sort of meditation that I do. I do some form of chanting - like repeating some phrase again and again. And it is really the only thing that calms my mind.

I wonder why people haven't looked seriously into meditation here. How many of you have tried it? It might just ease the pain so very much.

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much?

Posted by rubenstein on October 12, 2005, at 20:44:49

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

I keep trying at it, but it is hard for me. I have trouble sitting still for so long and quieting my mind... but I am still trying. I seem to be able to stay still and really focus for longer periods of time the more I practice. It is helpful when I do it. I wonder why I don't do it more often.
rachel

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by sleepygirl on October 12, 2005, at 21:41:12

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

hhmmm... it might be the wish to "do something" -whereas meditation is more passive

I don't mean to suggest by any means that it is not extraordinarily helpful and fantastic, I think we "forget" to stop, focus and breathe
-that's for me anyway- I'll give it some serious consideration though, thanks

 

meditation

Posted by muffled on October 12, 2005, at 22:16:14

In reply to Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid, posted by sleepygirl on October 12, 2005, at 21:41:12

Can't sit still too long mostly. can't stop my mind that long mostly. Chanting is bad to me too. Chanting can make bad thoughts come. Sounds like it might be good for some, scarey for others. I like yer posts.
Muffled

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by fairywings on October 12, 2005, at 23:42:11

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

Hi Orchid,

I've tried meditation, and had high hopes for it. I've used the CD's that induce a meditative state. Maybe it's discussed more on the alternative boards, I don't know, I haven't checked. The meditaion CD's made me very depressed, but the ones for creativity from the Monroe Institute are awesome, I love them. I guess it just depends on the person. I guess prayer and meditation are alike. I can pray, but can't clear my mind to meditate on my own, that's why I used the CD's that induce various brain waves.

I think I'm weird in that way though, the SSRI's depress me, so my brain must be wired strangely. I've also tried alternatives like herbs, homeopathy, vitamins, trigger point massage, and I went to an alt. practioner. I was really hoping for something other than medication and therapy, but so far it seems to be the best thing for me. Expensive as all get out, but works for me. Maybe one day I'll be able to stop, and I'll be thrilled to be able to, but for now......

fw

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by JenStar on October 13, 2005, at 0:06:34

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

hi Orchid,
I've always thought it sounded really cool, but I guess I just don't know how to do it. I don't know where to learn. It feels like I'm not mystical, centered or mature enough to do it...maybe that's not the case, but I've always been reluctant to try. but maybe I will! Anything that works sounds worth a shot.

is it hard to learn it? How long does it take to get "good" at it?

JenStar

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by lookdownfish on October 13, 2005, at 3:59:14

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

Orchid,

I struggle with similar issues: self-esteem, anger, anxiety. I have never tried meditation, but I would like to try. What do you chant? Do you use a CD to meditate? Would be grateful for any advice / information.

Thanks


 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by Tamar on October 13, 2005, at 4:46:32

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

> I wonder why folks who come here don't try meditation to help with their emotional issues?

That’s a very good question! I’ve read that meditation can be very helpful.

I guess in my case, I find it very difficult to sit still. And my concentration is quite poor. I seem to use up all my ability to concentrate when I’m working, and there’s not much left for anything else.

Oh, and also having three kids means it’s difficult to find the time. By the time the kids are in bed I’m exhausted.

But I might be tempted to try meditation…I’ve been thinking recently that it might help on the days when I feel completely overwhelmed with thoughts about my ex-therapist…

Tamar

 

Re: Specific CDs and recommendations

Posted by fairywings on October 13, 2005, at 7:24:42

In reply to Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid, posted by lookdownfish on October 13, 2005, at 3:59:14

Hey lookdown,

The Monroe Institute has awesome CDs, they're really cool to listen to with headphones on. I think all these types of CDs you need to listen to w/headphones on to get the proper brainwave stimulation, and they have to be R/L specific headphones, which most are now.

http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php

I use the hemi-sync meta music CDs, which have no talking, and I love them!

http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php?cat=9

The one I love best from Monroe is Seasons at Roberts Mountain, it's so awesome.

http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=1451&cat=&page=1&XCARTSESSID=811db9a4e1e08b52b323f2d8a2b264e1

The Monroe CDs are about $16 apiece, and it's just my opinion that they're better than the others out there. I also have several others from Monroe, and like them all, none of them made me depressed, which some of the others, like Holosync did. The ones I have from Monroe aren't for meditation, I got them more for creativity (and ADD), since I'm an artist.

If you go to the "real life applications" section you can choose the CDs based on what you want them for:

http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/hemisyncapplications.php?XCARTSESSID=811db9a4e1e08b52b323f2d8a2b264e1

The ones for meditation are listed here:

http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/application_search.php?cat=&page=1

I haven't tried the meditation ones, hmmm, maybe I should. They have media files, so you can hear part of a CD b4 you order, and they always have a buy 3 get one free deal which is good.


The more expensive CDs (Holosync) I tried for myself - were in the neighborhood of $75 - $100 per CD (because of the technology used to create them) weren't as good for me, made me depressed -I think it's all the bells and stuff like rushing water, which a lot of them have, that made me depressed. Also you aren't supposed to listen to them for more than 1/2 hour at a time.

I got into these when my son was diagnosed with ADD, and we were looking for an alt. to meds. His Occupational Therapist Rx'd the EASe CD's (electronic auditory stimulation effect), which is brain wave entrainment, which most of these types of CDs are - they induce certain brainwaves or brainwave patterns. It sounds harmful, but it's not. The EASe CDs are $150 apiece, but they're not available to the public.

(Sonomas has the same type of CDs as EASe, and you can get them on the web, they have a site. I haven't tried them because I just really liked Monroe.)

I also have Insight and Focus (2 differernt CDs) by Awakened Minds. They're a good alt. to the Holosync CDs, and only run about $20. They're recommended by Dr. Mercola, who's a big alternative practitioner on the web. I also tried CDs by Gaim, Andrew Weil (I didn't like his at all), and Jeffery Thompson.

Good luck,
fw


 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much

Posted by caraher on October 13, 2005, at 11:06:48

In reply to Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid, posted by Tamar on October 13, 2005, at 4:46:32

I've done a lot of reading and some trying... it's just hard for me to do. And I think in the "west" there's still a lot of baggage related to cultural issues that gets in the way of its widespread use. Pills we understand; meditation less so.

I think it would be really helpful... and feel kind of stupid that I haven't found a way to do it.

 

meditation/dissociation

Posted by muffled on October 13, 2005, at 11:09:50

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

Maybe thats what I don't like. Maybe meditation is like dissociating. Dissociating isn't good mostly. Is it like that at all?
Muffled

 

Re: meditation/dissociation » muffled

Posted by fairywings on October 13, 2005, at 11:12:22

In reply to meditation/dissociation, posted by muffled on October 13, 2005, at 11:09:50

Maybe that's why the Holosync CDs made me so depressed? Also maybe that's what I like about the CDs for creativity from Monroe? I lose ALL track of time. I'll be working on a piece, and hours will go by, and I don't even realize it. I don't use them much anymore because I can't do that with 4 kids.

fw

 

problems with concentration !!

Posted by orchid on October 13, 2005, at 14:30:59

In reply to Re: meditation/dissociation » muffled, posted by fairywings on October 13, 2005, at 11:12:22

I know meditation is hard because of the need to focus intensely which is not possible.

I don't really do mediation.

I do chanting. Which is equally effective. I just need to repeat some phrase (a mantra) again and again for half hour, and I don't have to concentrate or sit in one place. But it is as effective as meditation is, actually even more.

And it is so easy to do - I can do it during driving/cooking/watching tv etc.

If anyone is interested in trying out what I do, please babblemail me. More than willing to share.
And anyway, got nothing to lose in trying.

 

Re: problems with concentration !! » orchid

Posted by muffled on October 13, 2005, at 14:38:42

In reply to problems with concentration !!, posted by orchid on October 13, 2005, at 14:30:59

Thanks for the instruction. I can't do that. Its sort of interesting cuz I think I must have made my own mantra and chant when a kid. No one taught me. But it was no no no. And I don't go beyond that. So no chanting for me. Glad it helps you. Hope it helps others.
Muffled.

 

Re: problems with concentration !! » muffled

Posted by orchid on October 13, 2005, at 15:05:11

In reply to Re: problems with concentration !! » orchid, posted by muffled on October 13, 2005, at 14:38:42

yeah.. sometimes I also get bored and don't do it.

Actually I don't do it regularly too. It is a little boring.

But when I do it I always feel better. I myself wonder why I don't do it regulary.

 

Maybe you will now!! :) (nm) » orchid

Posted by muffled on October 13, 2005, at 15:14:13

In reply to Re: problems with concentration !! » muffled, posted by orchid on October 13, 2005, at 15:05:11

 

Re: How come people don't try meditation that much? » orchid

Posted by gardenergirl on October 13, 2005, at 23:02:19

In reply to How come people don't try meditation that much?, posted by orchid on October 12, 2005, at 18:51:17

Good question. There are so many documented benefits to meditation.

I was doing it fairly regularly about a year and a half ago. I stopped for a stupid reason: I now do my light therapy at the time of day I used to meditate. I can't seem to meditate with my eyes open, and I haven't bothered to make another time committment for meditation.

I really should get back into that. It was a good thing and very helpful when I was doing it regularly.

Maybe then I won't be losing things and driving the wrong way because I'm not thinking about where I'm going and I'm just lettting the car "drive".

Thanks for the reminder.

gg


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