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IPS--You crack up! Funny true 4 many of us! (nm) Racer

Posted by Emily Elizabeth on September 23, 2005, at 16:56:35

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Poet, posted by Racer on September 23, 2005, at 13:19:38

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long All Done

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 11:28:15

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by All Done on September 21, 2005, at 2:27:28

Hi Laurie,

I didn't fire her, but did let her know exactly why Dr. Clueless is not brilliant.

I am just so frustrated. I thought T was finally understanding me and now this comes along.

I spent the session saying I am not this, this, this. T said I didn't say you were all those things. It's like the color blue, there are many shades.

Paint me fire engine red, because I am still mad, but won't fire T. Pdoc on the other hand...

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Dinah

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 11:35:35

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Poet, posted by Dinah on September 21, 2005, at 5:43:56

Hi Dinah,

I knew signing that permission form was a mistake, I just thought I could trust T to be on my side. She still thinks she was/is.

It better not take another eight years for her to realize that Dr. Clueless isn't right about me.

Sigh.

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long fallsfall

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 11:40:56

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long, posted by fallsfall on September 21, 2005, at 6:28:31

Hi Fallsfalls,

I hope no one could hear us. Her office is right off the waiting area. Bad for business with the other Ts in the office suite.

I think my very best line was *you are so very wrong it's laughable, too bad people like me don't have a sense of humor isn't it?*

She kept saying, I never said, pdoc never said...My response was it was implied. T thinks that had I been told that I might be more sensitive in certain ways I might not be so angry.

She might be right, but the angry little kid says next time I throw something at her.

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Shortelise

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 11:51:53

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by Shortelise on September 21, 2005, at 13:55:48

Hi ShortE,

T said that perhaps had it been presented differently I wouldn't be so angry. She is probably right as I understand there is a world of difference between autism of any kind and excelling at certain things and more sensitive to certain sounds, smells, etc.

<< The thing about a diagnoses is that you DO take the parts that fit and DISCARD the rest. These things are not one size fits all.

You are so right. I see things as all or nothing. Like you, it's black and white. No gray areas. I am going to do more research and write down things that fit, things that don't. Bring it to my T.

<<Tai-chi is very cool. Very cool!!! In my city, in the mornings, there are Chinese people in the parks practicing. My psychiatrist uses it himself.

T said she would try to find a tape she can loan me, otherwise I am going to see if the library has any tapes or DVDs. If I am doing this it needs to be where no one can see me fall over when I lose balance. That's what I like about water aerobics- the water holds me up!

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long gardenergirl

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 12:07:16

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by gardenergirl on September 22, 2005, at 0:10:18

Hi GG,

T has thought for years that I have a learning disability for math. It took me awhile to get over the I am stupid thought pattern. I realize that the teacher's were the stupid ones for not recognizing it. Though in the 60s and 70s (God I am old) they barely recognized reading disabilities. Math was unheard of.

Those walls do jump in front of you and me. Doorways get smaller, too. I tried yoga, but kept falling over. I am going to give Tai Chii a shot. T is going to loan me a tape, plus I can check them out of the library. I like water aerobics because the water keeps me from losing my balance. Too bad they don't do water Tai Chi.

I like *Poet-ness.* It suits me. Thanks for coming up with it.

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Racer

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 12:20:43

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Poet, posted by Racer on September 23, 2005, at 13:19:38

Hi Racer,

Irregular Polygon Syndrome is brilliant! I have IPS. *Poet-ness* (GG's DX for me)with aspects of IPS should be a valid DX for insurance.

I remember Dr. EyeCandy. Perhaps he should form a partnership with Dr. Clueless. Do I hear wedding bells? Or is that my extra sensitive hearing that I don't possess? LOL.

I really thought my T would do okay talking to Dr. Clueless. Though Dr. Clueless failed to bring up previous meds suggestions which leads me to think that either T didn't say it or Dr. Clueless doesn't listen to her either. I see Dr. Clueless for something called meds management. Not being nearly as brilliant as the good doctor, I thought that meant we talk about meds. I must be wrong once again.

I am not a team player, so a treatment team gets me angry from the get go. I do trust me T, but Dr. Clueless is another matter. I hate the idea of going through that eval again. I can't afford to see ex pdoc. Right now I say taper off the damn meds and see what happens.

I am celebrating my anger. I think it took T by surprise. Next session I might just throw something at her. I like this anger thing.

Poet

 

Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Poet

Posted by Racer on September 24, 2005, at 13:08:03

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat Racer, posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 12:20:43

You crack me up. Throw something that won't hurt her or break, though, 'K?

I forgot to mention something, by the way. I've tried yoga, and fell over and felt totally discombobulated by the whole experience. (It was prescribed for the whole weight thing.) Mostly, Not A Racer Thing At All. Pilates, on the other hand, is right up my alley. Pilates I like. You might try it, if the Tai Chi doesn't do it for you.

What I like about Pilates is that it's all controlled movements, and it's about muscles, rather than grace. (My native grace and poise was surgically excised shortly after birth. Terrible birth defect, had to be done...) Walls DO move, doorways shift to the side for me, rather than getting smaller. Not to mention the patterns in carpets...

I hope that helps, and congrats on your anger. I hope it helps, and becomes your friend.

 

Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Racer

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 13:38:17

In reply to Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Poet, posted by Racer on September 24, 2005, at 13:08:03

Hi Racer,

Those carpet patterns become three dimensional and trip us. Though hardwood floors trip me, too. Perhaps they become unglued. God knows I become unglued. (ooh, that was funny, I wish I understood humor.)

Poet

 

Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Poet

Posted by gardenergirl on September 24, 2005, at 13:58:34

In reply to Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Racer, posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 13:38:17

> Hi Racer,
>
> Those carpet patterns become three dimensional and trip us. Though hardwood floors trip me, too. Perhaps they become unglued. God knows I become unglued. (ooh, that was funny, I wish I understood humor.)

LOL

I wonder if my T tries to interpet why I always look down as I am walking from the waiting room, around the corner, and then into the hallway to his office, where I usually look back up as he follow me in (hate that following!). Well, he may think I don't want to make eye contact, or feel down or whatever.

I'm really trying not to trip over the various threshholds and changes in the floor from carpet to tile to rug to carpet, etc.

It's a very perilous journey!

Glad you like Poet-ness. I think your "dx" (Poet-ness with IPS traits) is just right.

And since I went to elementary school in the 60's/70's that makes me old, too!

gg
>

 

Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor gardenergirl

Posted by Poet on September 24, 2005, at 14:05:13

In reply to Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Poet, posted by gardenergirl on September 24, 2005, at 13:58:34

Hi GG,

Dr. Clueless had me try to walk along her carpet border to see if I can walk in a straight line with my eyes closed.

Hope a cop never suspects me of drunk driving, because I know I can't walk a straight line. Dr. Clueless knows it, too. My T already knew, I walked into her door a few weeks ago.

Poet

 

Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor gardenergirl

Posted by javableue on September 24, 2005, at 16:58:42

In reply to Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor Poet, posted by gardenergirl on September 24, 2005, at 13:58:34

>I wonder if my T tries to interpet why I always look down as I am walking from the waiting room, around the corner, and then into the hallway to his office, where I usually look back up as he follow me in (hate that following!). Well, he may think I don't want to make eye contact, or feel down or whatever.

Amen on the following part... it's creepy! Why do they do that? Mine even did the day of the first session, when I had no idea as to where his office is (the clinic is something of a maze...) and could do nothing but stop and wait for him to show me.

For my part, I'll bet he wonders why I slow down so much around the last corner before his office. That is, unless he noticed that time I walked right into the wall...

jb

 

the following thing...

Posted by 10derHeart on September 24, 2005, at 18:34:25

In reply to Re: Too bad you don't have a sense of humor gardenergirl, posted by javableue on September 24, 2005, at 16:58:42

OMG...I hate it, too!

I don't know why it is for you guys, but I don't want to even imagine, possibly, maybe, he could glance at ANY part of my body for even a second...really, I'm not kidding, the possibility makes me sort of cringe and get all tense and rush toward his office so I can get out from in front of him!

My old T. never did it...I think he *knew.* He always went first, so I got to look, and that was niiiiice ;-)

uhh....can you tell I *really* hate the following thing?

 

Re: the following thing... 10derHeart

Posted by javableue on September 24, 2005, at 19:26:38

In reply to the following thing..., posted by 10derHeart on September 24, 2005, at 18:34:25

>I don't know why it is for you guys, but I don't want to even imagine, possibly, maybe, he could glance at ANY part of my body for even a second...really, I'm not kidding, the possibility makes me sort of cringe and get all tense and rush toward his office so I can get out from in front of him!

I hate that too... maybe not exclusively in the sense you might have meant, but also just in the sense of being watched and having no idea. I mean, I hate it when he looks at me even normally during a session, but at least then I'm aware, whether I like it or not.

He does, however, walk in front of me back to the waiting room at the end. That's lead me to wonder whether, at least in his case, it's to help define the therapy setting. I don't know how to phrase it better than that, though, I know that's really vague.

jb

 

Dr EyeCandy didn't follow me...

Posted by Racer on September 24, 2005, at 21:29:13

In reply to Re: the following thing... 10derHeart, posted by javableue on September 24, 2005, at 19:26:38

The only time he met me out in the reception area, he walked me to his office by walking back to it on his long stilt legs, much faster than I walked. I just followed along, way back there. (OK, I did check, but his pants were a bit loose fitting to know if his butt was that cute.) Anyway, while it sounds as though it's better than being followed, I did kinda feel as though he was trying to "get away from" or "not be seen with" his patients. {shrug} Maybe that's why they walk behind and watch? So that we don't think they're trying to run away from us?

Or maybe they're trying to make sure we don't have a chance to bolt?

My new T, who has no name as yet, usually calls me from her office -- she doesn't share, and is in a great building with a koi pond in the center -- and meets me in there. And Dr CattleProd opens the door into the reception area, looks at me, and I know it's time to stand up and march in. Come to think of it, I guess he is behind me, but I don't think about that. Or, at least, I never did until now.

Drat you all! Now I'm going to think about it next time I see him, and probably do the Quasimodo thing on my way to where I fall down and hurt something!

 

Re: the following thing...

Posted by happyflower on September 26, 2005, at 2:38:20

In reply to Re: the following thing... 10derHeart, posted by javableue on September 24, 2005, at 19:26:38

Yeah, well at least your T doesn't decide to exercise on a bicycle behind you while I was walking on the treadmill!!!! I HATE IT, he has done it twice now, and hate to know what he is looking at and especially what he thinks of my big butt, not pretty I say. I bet he was thinking, I didn't realize she had such a fat butt, until now. But then again since he did it twice, maybe he likes looking at my big butt! LOL

Okay, I feel my face turning red again. LOL
Then of course there was the time when I first ran into him at the gym, where he ran right past me on the track during my walking time test, I didn't know he worked out there, and I could of just DIED on the spot. Of course I had another lap to go and I had to have the embarrestment of him passing me twice. AND YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE MALE, YOU KNOW THEY LOOK! AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!!! Okay I am hanging my head in shame. LOL
You know I have a weird walk anyways and am self conscience about it a lot, so I don't like it either when he stands at his door while I walk into his office.

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet

Posted by terrics on September 29, 2005, at 10:14:03

In reply to T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long, posted by Poet on September 20, 2005, at 22:03:57

Hi Poet, I just read your post. Your dx. sounds insane to me. I work in special ed. from psych to profoundly retared including Asperger's and autism. Even from your posts I think I can tell the p-doc and T are off on your dx. I think most people have some traits of many things. The psych. professionals seem to be the ones who see things in black and white. They say I am borderline more because of 2 traits then because of anything else. I argue, but it is usless. So as the 12 step programs say: 'Take what you need and leave the rest.' terrics

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat

Posted by Racer on September 29, 2005, at 13:13:13

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by terrics on September 29, 2005, at 10:14:03

> Hi Poet, I just read your post. Your dx. sounds insane to me. I work in special ed. from psych to profoundly retared including Asperger's and autism.

There are some really good points here. I'll go one further with one of my pet theories: while all these disorders have names and symptoms, the etiology is not well enough understood to say that they're all one discrete entity. The diagnoses are all based on constellations of symptoms, but those same symptoms might be caused by any number of different underlying issues. Is Asperger's really just one step on the Autistic spectrum? Or is it something else, entirely unrelated?

'Nough of that...

> The psych. professionals seem to be the ones who see things in black and white. They say I am borderline more because of 2 traits then because of anything else.

LoL! Last year, during my nightmare with the Agency Focussed on Mental Illness Rather Than Mental Health, a couple of people on my treatment team decided that I was "borderline." This was based on a couple of things: that I got upset when I couldn't get any response from the medication clinic during a severe reaction to medications; and that I reacted badly to a bully on their staff. Um, if I am there largely because I bottle up my emotions so completely, wouldn't acknowledging anger and -- {gasp} -- expressing it be considered a good thing in some universes? Of course, anything I said about it not fitting me was only more proof in their eyes that I really was borderline -- even when my condition rapidly deteriorated after they started pressuring me to acknowledge that I had a personality disorder. (Their response every time I denied their mistaken diagnosis? "Everyone has a personality..." Hello? I'm middle aged, fer cryin' out loud! If I didn't have a personality by now, *that* would be pathological. Having a personality -- even one that they do not like -- is not synonymous with having a personality disorder!)

Anyway, my final conclusion has been that it doesn't matter what they call me, as long as it doesn't interfere with appropriate treatment. In the case of The Agency From The Planet Clueless, it did create problems in my treatment.

OK, nothing I've said here really has anything to do with Poet's issues. Forgive me.

To bring it back around, I guess that I'd say, "Hey, Poet, unless their treatment for you is helping, how about doing some dr shopping? It's only a problem if you're a radio talk show host."

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long terrics

Posted by Poet on October 1, 2005, at 11:47:08

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by terrics on September 29, 2005, at 10:14:03

Hi Terrics,

I have been doing my own research into Alsperger's, sensory integration and selective mutism. I found that last one on my own, and, frankly it makes the most sense. Pun intended.

I think I was happier when I was just crazy. Now I am a blank confused label.

Thanks for agreeing that Dr. Clueless and T are off base. I will take what I need and leave the rest. I don't have another appointment with Dr. Clueless. T thinks I should keep seeing her, but should be more aggressive about talking about meds. If I could do that, I wouldn't have had T call her to begin with. These people are driving me crazier!

Poet

 

Re: the following thing... happyflower

Posted by Susan47 on October 2, 2005, at 12:41:43

In reply to Re: the following thing..., posted by happyflower on September 26, 2005, at 2:38:20

I think you're brave, feeling the way you do, and still putting yourself out there. Three cheers for you!
WHen I felt like that, I hid out at home.

 

Re: the following thing... Susan47

Posted by 10derHeart on October 2, 2005, at 20:43:43

In reply to Re: the following thing... happyflower, posted by Susan47 on October 2, 2005, at 12:41:43


Can't take the hiding out route, 'cause if I did I'd surely NEVER leave home.....have felt "that way" most of every day for a very long time.

but I just soldier on, cringing and worrying and trying to mentally shrink myself...

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet

Posted by terrics on October 4, 2005, at 20:18:24

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long terrics, posted by Poet on October 1, 2005, at 11:47:08

Perhaps you should see someone else just for the h...of it. Do not say anything about ANY diagnosis. Let the new one come up with a dx of his/her own. Personally I would like to try many Ts and Pdocs to see how many diagnoses I would get. LOL terrics

 

Re: the following thing... 10derHeart

Posted by Susan47 on October 4, 2005, at 21:14:47

In reply to Re: the following thing... Susan47, posted by 10derHeart on October 2, 2005, at 20:43:43

No, don't try to Anything shrink yourself. Because a bit of something substantial is lovely on a woman, really.

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long terrics

Posted by Poet on October 5, 2005, at 20:55:00

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet, posted by terrics on October 4, 2005, at 20:18:24

Hi Terrics,

I think it's the first visit- the evaluation that gets me scared to see someone else. I get so nervous that I'm afraid any pdoc would read things into me that aren't really valid.

My first pdoc said he didn't believe in labels and just stuck with asking me how my depression was. Keep in mind that I saw him during a major depression, so that would have been the obvious thing to notice in me. Though he did like to ask if there was anything he could do to make me feel safer. I hate the word safe. No where is (that word I hate.) He went out of network so I had to find a new insurance covered pdoc.

T thinks I should see Dr. Clueless again and talk about a med strictly for anxiety. I don't know, I hate this whole DX thing. I am not my DX I am me.

Poet

 

Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long Poet

Posted by terrics on October 6, 2005, at 21:53:03

In reply to Re: T Thinks Pdoc is brilliant Argh!!!! Somewhat long terrics, posted by Poet on October 5, 2005, at 20:55:00

Hi Poet,
I think anxiety and depression are very painful. I am sorry these things happen to you. I hope you like your new p-doc. (I take something for anxiety and it does help me.) Hope you feel better. terrics


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