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Posted by terrics on September 21, 2005, at 22:29:49
I often feel myself pulled back into therapy even though I think I may be 'normal' and that my problems are normal. I think T. makes something out of nothing...and don't forget if they are experienced they have heard it all. We are not unique. No matter what we think, most ts. are technicians. They only 'care' about us in a certain context no matter what we choose to believe. I am sure there is a very occasional exception. i think therapy may be addictive and if I let it go I will lead a better life not always contemplating myself and my problems. p.s. when I am feeling badly I do not think that anything I have said is true.
P-Docs do not seem to get to involved with problems. Once they have found a reasonable med. solution they just prescribe and check up.
I don't think this is very coherent. terrics
Posted by sleepygirl on September 21, 2005, at 23:27:28
In reply to The T. and shrink stuff. Is it really needed?, posted by terrics on September 21, 2005, at 22:29:49
Yes, it is hard only existing in their eyes for 45 minutes at a time. No we aren't terribly unique- everybody has things in common with everybody else- feeling special is a very important thing- it really sucks not to feel especially important to someone- lonely stuff.
Yes there is something to be said for "just living" - maybe there's a balance-haven't found it yet. Good luck to you.
-sleepygirl
Posted by alexandra_k on September 22, 2005, at 1:59:44
In reply to The T. and shrink stuff. Is it really needed?, posted by terrics on September 21, 2005, at 22:29:49
> I often feel myself pulled back into therapy even though I think I may be 'normal' and that my problems are normal.
I don't think it matters so much whether they are 'normal' or not, it is more about how decapitating you find them to be and whether a therapist is likely to be able to help with them.
I would say that how much your problems worry you (or significant other people in your life) is something that you (or they) had best answer.
And you would have to have a chat to a therapist about whether they would be likely to help you.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Posted by fairywings on September 23, 2005, at 13:47:53
In reply to The T. and shrink stuff. Is it really needed?, posted by terrics on September 21, 2005, at 22:29:49
> >I often feel myself pulled back into therapy even though I think I may be 'normal' and that my problems are normal. I think T. makes something out of nothing...and don't forget if they are experienced they have heard it all.
It's interesting that you should bring this up terrics, because my T said last night that he got the impression that I thought I was "different". I lied and said I didn't think I was different. I do think I"m different for a number of reasons, that I won't go into now.
I don't think that T have "heard it all". I don't think you can generalize about T's as a group, some are good, and some are lousy. Maybe they all have clinical understanding, or have learned things in school, or read similar case studies, but I'm not sure you can really "hear it all".
I think there are some T's who are more concerned with getting people back on their feet. That's a good T. I think that's what I've finally found, even if it takes awhile.
I went into therapy wanting to get rid of my anger and anxiety. I wanted to be more comfortable around people, sounds simple enough, but I think what happens sometimes, is that you go into therapy, expecting to fix something, not knowing exactly what's wrong, it's just nagging at you, and you find that your issues are more complex that you realized.
I have lots of physical problems, esp. migraines. I think they have to be related to whatever's eating me psychologically. A lot of my past is just missing, I don't know why. Maybe my memory just sucks! ; )
>>>We are not unique. No matter what we think, most ts. are technicians. They only 'care' about us in a certain context no matter what we choose to believe.
Sure, it's their job to only care in a certain context. Like a teacher with a student. I guess it's just a matter of perspective.
>> i think therapy may be addictive and if I let it go I will lead a better life not always contemplating myself and my problems.I sure agree with this, it can be addictive terrics. My T said last night, and this is why I think he is good, that I need to dwell on what is good in my life, and basically he said I need to get out of my head, and quit thinking about what's wrong with me. He didn't come right out and say it, but that's what he was saying. ; )
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> P-Docs do not seem to get to involved with problems. Once they have found a reasonable med. solution they just prescribe and check up.Yep, that's their job now, and managed care makes sure of it!
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> I don't think this is very coherent. terricsYou have been very coherent terrics
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Posted by terrics on September 24, 2005, at 10:15:56
In reply to Re: The T. and shrink stuff. Is it really needed?, posted by fairywings on September 23, 2005, at 13:47:53
I have a DBT therapist and I can be quite mean to her. It is so deliberate. I just want to know that she is human. Anyway today I was thinking I should get a different kind of therapist. In DBT you 'learn 'rules' to go by in life. I am 55 and it does not work for me. I think if I was 20 it might. You can only call your T. if you feel like you are going to harm yourself. Sometimes she doesn't call back and you get some p-doc instead and because they are afraid you will cut or suicide they automatically put you in the hosp.
Also, because I was so mean and did not call back Friday I feel like she wil 'dump' me. I have very mixed feelings about her personally, and I do not like the group. I like the people in the group however they are all young and have different needs at this time in there lives.
Have any of you tried DBT? ps I am 99% sure that she does not care about me at all, except to re-program me. If she suceeds she gets a 'gold star'. terrics
Posted by alexandra_k on September 24, 2005, at 14:44:11
In reply to Re:T. and shrink stuff ,DBT, and poss.trigger*** » fairywings, posted by terrics on September 24, 2005, at 10:15:56
Hiya. I did one year of individual and group DBT - a couple of years back now.
At the time... I hated group too. Didn't really like the other people there very much. I was lucky to get on really well with my individual t, but she left after 8 months and then I was transfered to someone I didn't get on with... Then another individual t I didn't get on with... Then termination. So I guess I've tried working with 3 different DBT therapists. It was very different with the different individual t's.
> I have a DBT therapist and I can be quite mean to her. It is so deliberate. I just want to know that she is human.
I think... I get what you mean. Some therapists can come across as rather detached and cool. And so... I get an urge to dig some kind of response out of them too. And negative responses seem easier to provoke than positive ones. I think... I do get that. Could you talk to your t about that? It is possible that... She doesn't realise her manner is having that effect on you and I guess she won't know what is going on unless you tell her. Another thing... Is that if you do manage to get a negative response out of her by poking... Then I guess she is likely to attempt to withdraw from you even more in self-defence. Does that make sense?
> In DBT you 'learn 'rules' to go by in life.
How do you mean?
What topics have you covered so far in group?> You can only call your T. if you feel like you are going to harm yourself.
Really?
I don't think that that is how it is supposed to go... I know that there is a period of time AFTER SI where you can't contact your t. But aside from that...
That being said I think that they varied that rule a bit from how Linehan wrote it from my end too... Mostly... Because none of the t's were willing to be called at home.> Sometimes she doesn't call back and you get some p-doc instead and because they are afraid you will cut or suicide they automatically put you in the hosp.
Ah. That sounds a little odd to me too... How long have you been doing DBT?
After a time... I think the idea is that when you phone people in crisis they should help you figure out what DBT skills to use to get yourself through the crisis without hospitalisation.> Also, because I was so mean and did not call back Friday I feel like she wil 'dump' me.
Do you have a contract to work together or a year or something like that???
> Have any of you tried DBT? ps I am 99% sure that she does not care about me at all, except to re-program me. If she suceeds she gets a 'gold star'.
I appreciate it can feel that way at times...
But I think the idea is more that...
If she suceeds then you get a life worth living.It is about you getting better.
But thats not about something that she does TO you.
Thats something that you have to work WITH her to do.
Sounds to me like there is some 'therapy intefearing' stuff that would be worthwhile having a chat to her about (you should be able to get to that okay in an individual session, I think thats 2nd on the agenda).Do you think you could try to have a frank discussion with her about how you are finding things.
Especially... The urge to poke.
I really do understand that.
And I think she will...
I think she will.Because I think it is positive responses that you are really looking for...
But taking the negative ones as better than nothing.
But if you can sort that out then therapy might just be a lot more pleasant for the both of you.
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