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Posted by fires on June 23, 2004, at 22:40:12
In reply to Re: Just hit me...., posted by shadows721 on June 23, 2004, at 21:21:34
I respectfully disagree with the theories behind DID. I did my research and I keep coming up with info. like this that I've pasted here from my earlier skeptic.com link:
"Freud, were he alive today, would be traumatized to see how RMT has redefined his pet concept. While Freud talked of the repression of single traumatic episodes, today's therapists maintain that dozens of similar traumatic episodes occurring over years are repressed with 100% efficiency.
The well known syndrome of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder shows us that verifiable traumatic events, rather than disappearing from memory, leave trauma victims haunted by intrusive memories in which the victim relives the trauma. For those who were in Nazi concentration camps or underwent torture as POWs in Vietnam, this can become a serious lifelong problem.
People forget most of what occurs to them, including some events that were pleasant or significant to them at the time. If an event is lost from memory, there is no scientific way to prove whether it was "repressed" or simply forgotten. And there is no reason that memories of sexual abuse should be handled any differently than childhood memories of physical abuse or of emergency surgery.
Events that have slipped away from memory cannot be recalled with the accuracy of a videotape. Individuals forget not only insignificant events in their entirety, but also significant events. Some events (traumatic or not) are recalled, but with significant details altered."
Thank you, and I appreciate your civility.
Posted by shadows721 on June 23, 2004, at 23:35:38
In reply to Re: Just hit me...., posted by fires on June 23, 2004, at 22:40:12
I feel that words can not really express what I go through with this dissociative disorder. I can not speak for others. I only speak for myself on this issue. I really never wanted to believe I had this disorder. Truly, I still don't. It's sorta a badge of shame, but it shouldn't be. Who wants to admit that they couldn't handle the abuse all by themselves? I only remembered one side of my childhood. What happened to the rest? Where did it go?
I went by different names as a kid. I do remember my mother saying, "Your friend wants to speak to your twin." Once questioned by a parent, the twin went into hiding. It was no longer safe to be found out. It meant being questioned. Just like then, I can't prove what's in my own mind. It's like tell me, "Who are you really?"
Whether DID was a dx or in a book, it doesn't matter to me now. Something was very wrong with me. PTSD doesn't fully explain the symptoms - the voices within, seeing myself across the room, etc. How about the girl that's not really there across the room making comments about me? Those things don't show. The nightmares of running from the male shadows. The male voice that called me from a dark room. Who is that? What do they want with me? The knowledge about snakes and bugs that wasn't taught in school. Just PTSD. Nope. PTSD was first dx for those soldiers from war. They knew there was a war. They knew their enemy. DID is different. A part(s) of the mind split off -the enemy and the war no one wants to see or remember. It didn't happen to you at all. You conscious mind keeps saying over and over again. But, those children's voices keep crying, "Help me!" The murderous screams in your head scare you out of your wits. You feel someones hands choking you, but no one is there. You just saw a man walk by your door again that you don't recognize.
You shake all the time, but you aren't scared. One side of your body feels a lot smaller than the other, but it isn't.Personally, I could go on with more of my daily experiences. But, it would do no good. This is my experience and my truth whether it's in a book or not. No one can tell me what my truth is. I write my own story. I feel PTSD doesn't fully explain seeing a little girl in the dark that says, "I know your sad, so I am just going to show you the pictures of what happened." I believe that little girl and no one else. I honor her truth and that's all that matters to me. After all, isn't it what this is all about.
P.S. As far as repressing being factual or not, I would lean on believing myself. After I have revealed that I was sadistically abused by this member of my family, I have learned that he has abused many other children. For that matter, he dated a lady on drugs that ran a day care. In my case, not believing me is leaving others wide open for torture. God Bless those suffering from what he has done to them.
Posted by antigua on June 24, 2004, at 0:12:42
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by shadows721 on June 23, 2004, at 23:35:38
Shadows,
I'm sorry we all have to go through this. I don't really have anything to say except "thank you" for putting words to the terror.
antigua
Posted by tinydancer on June 24, 2004, at 2:16:04
In reply to Just hit me..., posted by fires on June 23, 2004, at 19:37:30
> I was just reading some more about MPD/DID, and it hit me! Perhaps a believer in the disorder can tell me: Assuming the disorder is real, how do we know which of your "personalities" is posting for any given post? Do you use multiple ids here on PB? You must if you're personalities aren't aware of each other.
Assuming the disorder is real? This is a recognized disorder in the DSM.
I would ask that you choose your words with consideration, as there are people on these boards who have this diagnosis and may feel put down and insulted by you questioning the legitimacy of this diagnosis.
> When I was hosp. for Dep. in 1988, I was in with 2 or 3 MPD patients and I only witnessed one change personalities enough to be even noticeable.You were spending that much time with other patients during a psychiatric hospitalization to witness personality changes? Normally you need to know a person's base personality very well before being qualified to judge when that personality is changed.
Posted by ghost on June 24, 2004, at 7:37:51
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by shadows721 on June 23, 2004, at 23:35:38
Posted by Dinah on June 24, 2004, at 8:14:39
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by shadows721 on June 23, 2004, at 23:35:38
I know how difficult it can be to make yourself vulnerable.
Posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:25:56
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig** » shadows721, posted by antigua on June 24, 2004, at 0:12:42
I'm sorry,but I haven't a clue what you are specifically referrring to. Help?
Thank you.
Posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:30:49
In reply to Re: Just hit me... » fires, posted by tinydancer on June 24, 2004, at 2:16:04
Did you read my links that discuss how memory works and why the diagnosis , even if in the DSM, is exraordinarily rare?
Also, I can't help how people chose to interpret my words. I know what my intentions are, and as you have hinted only I can be the judge of them. Or, do some here claim to be able to read minds? :)
Thank you
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2004, at 13:40:27
In reply to Re: Just hit me..., posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:30:49
> Did you read my links that discuss how memory works and why the diagnosis , even if in the DSM, is exraordinarily rare?
>
> Also, I can't help how people chose to interpret my words. I know what my intentions are, and as you have hinted only I can be the judge of them. Or, do some here claim to be able to read minds? :)
>I think that part of the difficulty that appears in this thread is that many of us do not know what your intentions are. I am puzzled. It appears to me that you are quite invested in getting people on this site to change their beliefs about their experiences. Why might that be?
That approach, if that is your intention, is not typical of babble posters, although not unheard of. This site tends to be more supportive and expressive for those engaged in or interested in psychotherapy of all kinds. That does not mean that alternative beliefs are not welcome, but we all tend to be quite careful with these and do our best to frame them as our own issues/beliefs in order to be supportive and civil while expressing them. This tends to keep Babble a safe place to express whatever each poster needs to.
gg
Also, regarding your question to antigua, if you are wondering about the **trig** in the subject line, it is a warning to those who might be triggered to avoid the post. If you were asking something else, I'm sure antigua can answer.
Posted by antigua on June 24, 2004, at 14:06:24
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:25:56
I don't understand your question.
antigua
Posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 15:55:00
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:25:56
I thought the topic was DID/MPD. Hmmmmmm Is it just me???
Posted by antigua on June 24, 2004, at 16:19:53
In reply to I am lost, posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 15:55:00
You aren't lost; that's what I was referring to.
antigua
Posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 16:40:19
In reply to I'm curious » fires, posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2004, at 13:40:27
As I stated several times my intention is not to try to convert DID patients away from their treatments, it is to alert potential new patients that it is considered by many to be a dubious Dx.
What more noble cause than that? Surely I haven't suggested that you or other DID patients not be allowed to post your ideas. Why shouldn't I be allowed to post mine (without always being questioned as to my intentions?).
Have I ever questioned your intentions? Maybe you aren't really a DID patient and are merely trying to trump up business for a DID therapist(s)? :) You see, the sword has 2 edges.
Thank you
Posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 17:33:16
In reply to Re: I am lost » shadows721, posted by antigua on June 24, 2004, at 16:19:53
Thank you Antigua. I know I am having a rough time right now, so I was wondering. I feel back on track now. Whew!
Posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 18:15:50
In reply to Re: Just hit me....** trig**, posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 11:25:56
What is really bothering you? Please, put down the sword and open your heart. There are very loving and supportive people here. That's why I am here. I need Babble and it's Babblers. What do you need?
Posted by TofuEmmy on June 24, 2004, at 21:01:53
In reply to Re: I'm curious, posted by fires on June 24, 2004, at 16:40:19
I had no idea that you had a new dx! :-)
Love and kisses sweetness!!
Posted by gardenergirl on June 24, 2004, at 22:28:19
In reply to Re: I'm curious.....GardenerGirl, posted by TofuEmmy on June 24, 2004, at 21:01:53
Posted by crushedout on June 24, 2004, at 23:33:03
In reply to Fires, posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 18:15:50
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 25, 2004, at 6:21:44
In reply to Re: My apologies for speaking impulsively., posted by Dinah on June 23, 2004, at 20:53:23
Posted by Aphrodite on June 25, 2004, at 6:33:37
In reply to great post (nm) » shadows721, posted by crushedout on June 24, 2004, at 23:33:03
I've missed you. You OK?
Posted by partlycloudy on June 25, 2004, at 6:59:22
In reply to Fires, posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 18:15:50
Posted by TofuEmmy on June 25, 2004, at 8:17:18
In reply to Fires, posted by shadows721 on June 24, 2004, at 18:15:50
Fires - I totally loved Shadows post too. Is there something we can do to help you? Babble can be a very therapeutic environment, it's free, it's full of great people.
What can we do to be of service to YOU? Do you need a support network of caring people to help you? That's what we've each come here for and we've been oh so lucky to have found each other.
Em
Posted by fires on June 25, 2004, at 10:54:57
In reply to Also to Fires, posted by TofuEmmy on June 25, 2004, at 8:17:18
Thanks for the offer, but I don't need any support at this time. I saw my PDoc just yesterday, and she was so impressed by my lowered level of "anxiety" that she said no need for therapy!! I reduced my Effexor to 112.5 mg from 150 mg, and started Florinef for POTS a while back and my "anxiety" is way down. My PDoc won't be seeing me anymore because she has been appointed to Chief Resident.
I put "anxiety" in quotes because I call it intermittent hyper adrenalinism or "going vertical" (POTS= Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome", a type of dysautonomia which is often misdiagnosed as anxiety).
Thank you
Posted by crushedout on June 25, 2004, at 14:23:30
In reply to Hiya, Crushed! » crushedout, posted by Aphrodite on June 25, 2004, at 6:33:37
Thanks, Aphrodite. Yeah, I'm OK. Been working a lot. It's nice to be missed, though. :)(Would redirect to Social but I don't know how.)
Posted by fires on June 26, 2004, at 19:06:17
In reply to Re: Also to Fires, posted by fires on June 25, 2004, at 10:54:57
This is THE link to MPD that provides the scientific links that someone had earlier requested:
http://www.csicop.org/si/9805/witch.html
Title: "Multiple Personality Disorder: Witchcraft Survies in the Twentieth Century"
Those who have stated that my posts were upsetting to them should avoid the above site. The evidence (or lack of I should say) is overwhelming.
Thank you
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