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Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

In reply to I tried but I couldn't do it., posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:36:49

I'm feeling much better, thank you. I hadn't been sleeping but a few hours a night, and I think it caught up with me.

There are two problems. The first is that I've pretty much decided that nothing is going to make me feel good about myself until I lose weight. That's the only thing that has even the tiniest chance of changing my face from a duplicate of my mom's. And I'm not going to feel good about myself as long as I look in the mirror and see my mom's face. I want to look like me again. And I don't want to see my mom's face with makeup, or with a different hairstyle (already my hair looks nothing like my mom's), or different clothes (I dress nothing like my mom). I want to see me again, and if that ever happens I'll worry about the rest. I don't know why my therapist can't understand this.

Anyway, when I told him this and told him of my efforts to exercise and diet (which are thus far yielding no results to my dismay and confusion), he suggested that I color my hair. When I demurred, in surprise, hurt, and with the knowledge I didn't want to color my hair, he seemed a bit irritated. When I asked him about it, he said I had a way of dismissing his suggestions. I told him that that wasn't my intent, but reminded him that I had tried coloring my hair for a while and that it hadn't looked very good. He suggested that I have a professional do it, and remind myself that it was an investment. I told him that I had a limited amount of free money, and that I had to make choices with it, and that at the moment I was choosing to see him. He backed off right away with a joke about it being a shame he didn't do colour.

The problem is that I like my hair colour and see no reason to colour it. Or at least I did until he said that. I think the grey coming in looks like the blonde I had as a child, and overall I like the softer look and thinks it looks more "me" than I did before. It is hurtful to me that he so strongly be in favor of my coloring my hair, when I expressed no dissatisfaction with it. And come to think of it, his entire dogged determination to change my entire appearance is disconcerting to me. I asked my husband if there is something really "off" about the way I present myself in public, or if I embarassed him with the way I groomed myself. His answer was no, I was just fine in looks, although my behavior sometimes embarasses him. :)

Anyway, I've decided to tell my therapist he needs to back off the looks thing for a while. That he's pushing something that is more important to him than it is to me, and making me feel even worse about myself in the process. I never even questioned my hair colour till now. And the thing I do want to change about myself (the weight) he pretty much ignores and doesn't give me much encouragement on.

It's also setting up a real internal conflict because I really want to please him, I've done tons of things to please him, yet he's asking me to do things I actively don't want to do. And things that aren't necessary for me to do.

The other thing is about him pushing me to see him Monday when I want to just wait till Thursday, and when I just saw him Friday and am feeling fine (or was feeling fine till I went to therapy). It's hard to tell when they do that whether they have your best interests or their own at heart. Or if he thinks my level of functioning is way lower or more precarious than I do. :( How can you tell if they're pushing you to have more sessions whether your wellbeing or their pocketbook is in mind?

I know that sounds like I don't trust him, and I feel awful about it, but I also remember that when he was going out of town regularly he saw the spaces between my appointments as a growth opportunity. How can the different points of view be considered to be in my best interests when they so clearly fit in with his own best interests?

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by lucy stone on May 29, 2004, at 10:34:29

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

I can totally relate to this. I am in psychoanalysis and go 4X/week. I only get 26 sessions/year covered by my insurance and I use that up in under two months so it is outrageously expensive. It is also very time consuming. Fortunately I have a very flexible work schedule but it does break up my day, especially if I have a difficult session and come out feeling like mush. In the beginning he was always trying to get me to increase the number of sessions/week, saying that in analysis it was better to go more days/week than not go. After long discussions with my (very supportive) husband we made the rooom in our budget. I've been doing this for 3 1/2 years, and last week I brought up the guilt I feel spending so much of my families assests on myself, especially since I have one child in college and another going in 1 1/2 years. He said that we needed to talk about that, and that we needed to find a level of sessions that felt right to me. I was like huh?, what happened to more sessions being better that less? I am doing much better than I was when I first started seeing him and am less desctructive to myself, but he and I agree that I am not done yet. When I first starting seeing him he had only been certified to do psychoanalysis for 1 year although he has been a therapist for over 25 and I always wondered if he was suggesting it because he was looking for anaylsis patients or if it was for my best interest. Now, he is fully booked if not overbooked. I wonder if now that he would have no trouble filling my sessions if I cut back that he is not as encouraging about 4X/week. I love him dearly and he has helped me tremendously but this thing nags at me. He is always accessable and supportive, returns calls withing two hours, carries a pager so I can call him after hours, gives me his contact number when he is out of town so I can reach him, will see me after hours if I need an extra session when he has been gone, ect., ect., yet this thing nags at me. After all, one patient 4X/week is a big chuck of a practice, and since I always pay on time I am a very reliable income steam for him. Is he accessible because he cares or because he is keeping a good client happy? Maybe these are my major trust issues popping up again...

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by Speaker on May 29, 2004, at 12:46:33

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by lucy stone on May 29, 2004, at 10:34:29

Dinah,

This could be all wrong but maybe just another way to look at this. I would have thought my T suggested coloring my hair because it was a quick change vs. weight loss being a slow change. Most people encourage anyone to loose weight to be healthier and for better self image but with you wanting to NOT look like your mother...I would think he just wanted you to reach your goal in an easier fashion. As for the Monday session...I'm with you...they say therapy is for us but it sure works around their schedule. I am no help on that one. Maybe I am all wet on the hair thing but that was just my first thought. I'm glad you got some sleep and I hope your weekend is good. I missed you in open last night but maybe we will connect this weekend :). Be good to you!

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by tabitha on May 29, 2004, at 13:04:10

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

So what do you think is up with him fixating on your gray hair? Does he have some personal taste about that or something? I get comments on my gray hairs sometimes. I'd like to know why on earth anyone thinks that's socially acceptable. Do I say 'hey, you're getting a little potbelly these days, didja notice?'. Is there some kind of social rule that women are required to dye their hair now? Well pshaw! I'm with you, I think a little gray softens the look. The harsh solid-color hair is jarring and makes the wrinkles show more.

But I can see why it would be so hurtful, coming from your therapist, when your own impulse to focus on weight loss is a good one. I encourage you to talk this out with him, but I'm sure you will anyway.


 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by fallsfall on May 29, 2004, at 13:14:59

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

You don't need us. You articulated the answer perfectly yourself. (OK, you can need us all you want, but you don't need us to answer this question for you...)

>Anyway, I've decided to tell my therapist he needs to back off the looks thing for a while. That he's pushing something that is more important to him than it is to me, and making me feel even worse about myself in the process. I never even questioned my hair colour till now. And the thing I do want to change about myself (the weight) he pretty much ignores and doesn't give me much encouragement on.

Your "does he want to see me because I need it (i.e. he cares) or because he needs the income (i.e. he sees me only as a revenue generator)" is a common question for you. Does this theme generalize to others ("Everyone is ONLY looking out for themselves")? It is an important question, and one that you should talk to him about every (sigh) time it comes up. He has demonstrated that he will be honest with you (sometimes even when maybe he shouldn't be), so I think that you should be able to believe what he tells you (or at least know that he isn't going to tell you out and out lies). I'm sure that logistics (i.e. if he has a session available, and even if he isn't filling as many sessions as he would like) DO play *A PART* in decisions about offering/suggesting sessions. But my guess is that there are lots of things that play a part in these decisions. It is unethical for a therapist to encourage a patient to come more often than is therapeutically indicated. (But "therapeutically indicated" is a pretty loose term, and can two reasonable therapists could make good cases for opposite evaluations) Your therapist is not unethical (from everything I've heard). He might weight different factors (i.e. your shortterm needs, your long term needs, his schedule, his bank account, your dependency, his ego etc.) differently than you would - he is a different person with different perspectives. If the way that he weighs the factors is fundamentally abhorent to you, then he isn't a good match for you (but I really don't think that this will be true). Can you understand his weightings and be comfortable knowing that his algorithm is "reasonable" - even if it doesn't match what you, yourself, would choose? And see that, in order to have forever therapy with him, you will have to accept his weightings, just like you accept that he picks his nose?

I seriously doubt that he is a slimeball, or unethical. I also doubt if you will convince him to change the way he weights the various factors.

But you certainly can work to understand his reasoning better, and to accept "differences" more easily - so you can be more comfortable with the situation.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » lucy stone

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:39:18

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by lucy stone on May 29, 2004, at 10:34:29

I understand completely, Lucy. I have this ongoing battle regarding cynicism and trust. He'll tell me he does this or that or the other, and that proves he cares. But I can't help but think that most of this that and the other involves him getting more money.

One part of me trusts him completely. The other can't help but see profit motive in his actions. And there's no way to tell which part of me is right. :)

So, do you think you'll cut back?

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Speaker

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:43:42

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Speaker on May 29, 2004, at 12:46:33

When he first mentioned it, that was my thought. That it was a quick way to look less like my mom. But when I told him that I've tried it and not only do I not look less like my mom, but I look worse, he kept pushing. It's the pushing that bothers me and makes me think that I'm not acceptable to him looks wise. Well, everything he says confirms to me that I'm not acceptable to him looks wise. He can say all he wants about it being my saying that, but the truth is that he's mentioned it intermittently for years, and began ramming it down my throat when I said something about it.

But I don't need for him to approve of my looks. My husband *likes* the natural look, and that's more important than what my therapist thinks.

It's just that it's starting to make me feel bad, and I'd like him to back off. And I suppose I'll tell him so. Sigh.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » tabitha

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:47:27

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by tabitha on May 29, 2004, at 13:04:10

I will talk with him about it. And yes, I suspect he thinks there is a way women "should" look, and that drives some of what he says.

And maybe he has no confidence that I actually can lose weight. I don't either at this point. I'm going to start drinking water by the litre in hopes of getting me something to give me hope.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » fallsfall

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:53:34

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah, posted by fallsfall on May 29, 2004, at 13:14:59

That's a very pragmatic way of looking at things, Falls, and I will try to cultivate it. The trouble is that while part of me trusts him completely, the other part is so enormously cynical about him (and the whole therapy process) that it's hard to dredge up any trust whatsoever. And yes, he knows this. It frustrates him no end. So internally I'm able to hold both viewpoints without dissonance, but with a lot of struggle.

But you're right, I think. I should try to be pragmatic.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by lucy stone on May 29, 2004, at 17:00:57

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » lucy stone, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:39:18

I don't think I'll cut back at this point. The reason would be 90% financial and 10% because of the difficulties it causes in my work schedule. I think I has been good for me to go as often as I do. I am also majorly dependent on him so cutting back would be very difficult emotionally. He won't be very much help in making the decision because he wants me to do these things for myself. About the hair...he would never, never, ever, not in a million years make a suggestion like that to me. For him it would be stepping outside his analyst role which he never does. We could talk about my hair and he would answer me honestly if I asked his opinion on it, but he would never volunteer an opinion. I totally understand about the weight, BTW. I struggle with the same issue and know I won't really feel good about myself until I adress it. One thing my analysis has done is stop a 20 year history of bullimia so I definately have food issues. I'm over the bullimia, though, so that much is good : )

 

drinking water » Dinah

Posted by crushedout on May 29, 2004, at 18:15:59

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » tabitha, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 13:47:27


When I was feeling bad about my weight once several years ago, I actually started by drinking a lot of water. That was my first step. Then I very, very gradually added other things to my regimen, like little bits of exercise. After awhile I was working out very happily every other day and got into amazingly good shape. But I did it in baby steps and congratulated myself for each one, beginning with the heavy water-drinking. Personally, I think it's a great way to start. And remember, you have to do it all from a position of self-love, or it will never work.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by pegasus on May 29, 2004, at 23:23:36

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

Hmmm. Interesting questions. It does sound to me as though the appearance stuff is coming from your t's personal agenda, rather than from your therapy needs. Or, at least, it sounds as though that's what you think. It's kinda annoying, but as therapist foibles go, I guess it could be worse.

Re: gray hair, I hope you won't let his comments get you down. There are plenty of folks who prefer the natural look. They may be in the minority, but they're out there. I, myself, have plenty of gray hair, and no intention of ever coloring it. I've actually had many compliments on it, and some not so complimentary comments as well. But, for one thing, once you color it, then you have to keep coloring it, and I'm just not willing to develop high maintenance hair. For another thing, I *like* my gray hair. And it sounds like you do too. When people comment on it, I explain that I earned every one of those gray hairs, and so they have a lot of sentimental value for me.

And third, why does every friggin other person have an opinion about how women should groom themselves? Huh? Especially in these areas primarily designed to make women look younger than they are. What's so bad about wrinkles and gray hair? We should all be hoping we're lucky enough to make it to 90 with all the gray hair and wrinkles and experience and wisdom that entails.

I wish you many future gray hairs (but, of course, no more than your share).

pegasus

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by terrics on May 30, 2004, at 9:45:03

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2004, at 9:54:52

Hi Dinah, I think you are your own best therapist. Try printing out what you put on the board. Wait a day or two and read it again. I think you will see your wisdom. terrics

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by spoc on May 30, 2004, at 15:59:25

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah, posted by pegasus on May 29, 2004, at 23:23:36

I saw a male therapist off and on for about a year awhile back, sometimes skipping weeks on end with neither of us minding. Maybe he would easily forget what my issues were or something. But, BIGGIES amongst them were body image problems (sometimes seeming to border on body dysmorphic disorder) and struggling with an old eating disorder. I was handling it all through an exhaustive exercise compulsion that was eating way into my life.

When I'd walk in the door sometimes, this guy would say things like "Hey, you look great! Have you been working out more?" He also used words like "pumped" and once even said "hot." I did *know* he was not coming onto me, and he was just a very casual, dettached, sometimes racy-humored guy. But I couldn't believe he thought commenting on my looks from one week to the next could be ok for my head, seeing as I desperately needed to develop a consistent self-image. I would let anticipation of his comments or lack of them stop me from wanting to show up on certain days. In fact that's why I *did* cancel sometimes.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by gardenergirl on May 31, 2004, at 12:19:26

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by spoc on May 30, 2004, at 15:59:25

Dinah,
Your questions about therapy tend to be really thought-provoking to me. I wanted to repond earlier, but I had a hard time putting a post together.

I was thinking about how therapy is for me. My T would never comment on my appearance, but he takes a very psychoanalytic approach. Blank slate and all. I've even had several inches cut off my hair (from shoulder length to chin length...just got it cut even shorter). He never said a word. I sometimes wear my hair curly, sometimes straight (and frizzy, HATE the humidity!) Anyway, he's never commented, but I do think he interprets it somehow. I think the only way he would talk about my appearance is if I were to talk at length about it. And I know he would not offer advice unless I were really lost and helpless. Even then, he would hesitate. He's just not one to offer advice.

Is your T one who does? Or is the appearance thing something he seems to have jumped on? It must hurt to have him go for something you abhor (hair color) and to ignore what you are really working on.

I admit, in reading your post, I don't have a gut reaction either way about what is coming from his own needs and what is coming from a place of therapy. And your question about pushing you to see him on Monday. Again, I just can't get a feel for that. Perhaps I am getting from your post how confused you are, or perhaps I am just confused by the situation, too. I don't know. I did wonder, just as an aside, if the appearance thing is something that you both are hanging onto in order to avoid something else? Just a thought.

I do know that if you are truly in support mode, as I think you have said before, it seems like extra sessions would not fit that model unless you were in more of a crisis. It sounds like something to talk more about. Do you and your T set goals for therapy? If so, it sometimes helps to look at them again in order to re-focus the treatment plan if you have wandered away from it. I wish I had done that more with my clients, as I tend to wander with what they bring in each time. Not that that's bad, but it does sometimes lead away from what they wanted in the first place.

Just some musings on your post. I hope that, whatever is going on, you and your T are able to work together to get through it. I'm guessing after nine years, it probably will get better.

Take care!

gg

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » gardenergirl

Posted by Dinah on May 31, 2004, at 14:21:19

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by gardenergirl on May 31, 2004, at 12:19:26

I spoke to him about the twice a week thing today (yes, I caved and went). He says it's been his observation that I'm more stable at twice a week and he prefers me to stick to a routine. He asked me if I felt better at twice a week, and in fact I do. The emotional side of me that goes to therapy has very little concept of time and while I can sit on things for three or four days, any longer and if anything goes wrong I get anxious and call him. The twice a week schedule has *greatly* reduced between session calls and emergency sessions. Also, therapy is pretty much the only outlet for that side of me, and I do better when I'm able to express it regularly.

The rational side of me thinks once a week is completely adequate almost all the time, unless there is real stress. The emotional side of me prefers twice a week, as it makes me feel safe. But even the emotional side of me thinks it's ok to go once a week sometimes, and I think that's where my therapist and I disagree. He prefers that I keep to the routine for the sake of stability even when I don't really *need* to see him. And even the emotional side of me wonders why he doesn't think it's ok to only go once a week when it is more convenient for me, while he thinks it's just dandy when it's more convenient for him. I'm sure he'd put that differently.

I think part of the difference in styles between our therapists is that my therapist got his training through the counseling rather than the psychology route, so he tends to be more active and directive than a psychoanalytically trained therapist.

And the mystery of the hair color is explained (with a great deal of questioning on my part). For one thing, he knows I want to look more the way I used to look, and to him, hair has a lot to do with the difference, while for me it's the face shape and features. And for another thing, he appears to have a personal bias in favor of covering grey in women. He says he remembers that a hairstylist once told him that grey on men makes them look more distinguished while grey on women just makes them look old. Have I ever mentioned that my therapist is a bit shallow and looks conscious? But he's my therapist and I love him anyway. :P

I told him I must be deluding myself because *I* thought the grey made my hair look more like the streaky blonde I had as a child. Maybe he'll think a few times before making such personal comments in the future.

And then I get upset that my therapist seems to self-censor a lot when he's with me. lolol.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by crushedout on May 31, 2004, at 14:28:38

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on May 31, 2004, at 14:21:19

> And for another thing, he appears to have a personal bias in favor of covering grey in women. He says he remembers that a hairstylist once told him that grey on men makes them look more distinguished while grey on women just makes them look old.

Umm, no offense to your T, Dinah, but this is just a *tad* sexist. (I know you know this -- it just aggravates me cuz I like my grey and I'm not crazy about sexism, either.)

I have so many other thoughts about your original post and this whole thread that I've felt unable to begin to write them down. I guess I'd like to just say that I felt sort of with your T on the whole twice a week thing. Remember my shock when you told me you had cancelled. My instinct is that he's right about the stability piece.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by Pfinstegg on May 31, 2004, at 17:49:27

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on May 31, 2004, at 14:21:19

Dinah, what you have been posting is very interesting- and seems kind of new for you. I could be completely off here, but wanted to write a few thoughts which have been coming to mind as I read your posts. First, there is the improvement in your sense of security because of going twice a week; it does seem connected to various things you have written about feeling better and enjoying other parts of your life more. But maybe this very sense of increased security has allowed your more mistrustful, doubting feelings to enter into your sessions more. You're not at all alone in having these feelings- we all do, and I think it's an important part of therapy to include and express them fully. No fun to do it, though! But it wouldn't be good to avoid it- it would just be work left undone. As you do that, you'll be integrating those parts of you with your loving, trustful parts.

As to the suggestions about hair coloring, he's just *off* there. You probably have healthier views in that area than he does, so I'd stick to your guns about not wanting appearance comments. I don't think those are ever useful in therapy, whether they are positive or negative. But, you know, all therapist make mistakes once in a while, even analysts!

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by Miss Honeychurch on May 31, 2004, at 20:11:44

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah, posted by crushedout on May 31, 2004, at 14:28:38

Dinah,

I remember you posting several times that your T is a bit superficial and wears nice, expensive shoes (no top siders!) and drives a nice car. The hair thing doesn't surprise me in the least. I agree with Speaker when I say that I think he may have just been thinking of a quick fix for now. But he also sounds like the type who thinks women should present themselves in a certain way, and definitely NOT with grey hair!!

I don't think he meant anything by this comment and you should take it with a grain of salt.

On the other hand, they do have really good semi-permanent dyes nowadays that wash out in a month. You could always try one of those. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised! And if not, it only lasts 28 shampoos. No big deal.

I dye my hair all the time and feel like a new woman every time I do. It might be something fun to do one time, just to get Mom out of the mirror.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by tabitha on June 1, 2004, at 1:56:59

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on May 31, 2004, at 14:21:19

Dinah, I saw a book that made me think of you and your not-always-so-enlightened therapist. It was a collection of writings by women about going gray without dyeing. One of those inspirational pro-aging acceptance things. Thought I could find it on Amazon and link, but I can't remember the title, and my search didn't turn it up :-( But I didn't imagine it, I swear.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part

Posted by Dinah on June 1, 2004, at 21:30:19

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah, posted by tabitha on June 1, 2004, at 1:56:59

Yes, my therapist is admittedly shallow in some areas. It's one of those things you put up with in someone you're in relationship with. I try not to mention it. I hope he tries not to push it on me. :)

As far as the not trusting, that's always been true, though I don't like to say so on board often. I don't feel comfortable saying bad things about him.

But my rational side has always seen him as a platitudinous hack who really likes money, and has never quite understood the trust and affection and feelings of safety that my emotional side has with him. And my rational side rather cynically suspects that the relationship my emotional side has with my therapist is a chimera. It doesn't actually exist except in my own deluded mind. That I have made up the therapist and therapeutic relationship that I need out of the very rough clay that is my actual therapist and my actual therapeutic relationship. And that my therapist's main actual value is that he rarely interferes with the artificial construct.

 

Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah

Posted by Aphrodite on June 2, 2004, at 10:27:58

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part, posted by Dinah on June 1, 2004, at 21:30:19

Have you ever told him these impressions you have? You are right that as long as it's not over the top, materialism and showiness is not the worst of sins. Still, I can't imagine he could be too far gone because I can't imagine you tolerating such a thing for all these years! You must be connecting on a deep level that is not at all artificial or you would have realized it by now.

I think your rational side that questions his motives is a very self-protective and good thing to have.

 

Aphrodite, you're back!

Posted by crushedout on June 2, 2004, at 19:20:35

In reply to Re: Maybe I can post this part » Dinah, posted by Aphrodite on June 2, 2004, at 10:27:58


I was worried about you.

 

Re: Aphrodite, you're back! » crushedout

Posted by Aphrodite on June 2, 2004, at 19:58:23

In reply to Aphrodite, you're back!, posted by crushedout on June 2, 2004, at 19:20:35

I knew you were worried, Crushedout, and it meant the world to me. Thanks so much for caring.

(Teary-eyed here.)

 

Re: Aphrodite, you're back! » Aphrodite

Posted by crushedout on June 2, 2004, at 20:04:33

In reply to Re: Aphrodite, you're back! » crushedout, posted by Aphrodite on June 2, 2004, at 19:58:23


That is so sweet, Aphrodite. You're sweet.

hugs,
crushed


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