Psycho-Babble Politics Thread 1103948

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Empowerment

Posted by sigismund on April 12, 2019, at 14:13:27

I had never expected moral disgrace to be so funny.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/04/12/what-ivanka-told-us-about-trumps-meeting-with-el-sisi/

 

Re: Empowerment ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 24, 2019, at 19:17:14

In reply to Empowerment, posted by sigismund on April 12, 2019, at 14:13:27

She's a ditz. That doesn't excuse the corruption.

 

Re: Empowerment

Posted by beckett2 on April 24, 2019, at 19:18:27

In reply to Re: Empowerment ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 24, 2019, at 19:17:14

Make that 'shallow', but look at her dad.

 

Re: Empowerment ╗ beckett2

Posted by sigismund on April 25, 2019, at 17:02:52

In reply to Re: Empowerment, posted by beckett2 on April 24, 2019, at 19:18:27

Do you have to be kind of twisted to find that funny?

New standards are being set all the time.

 

Re: Empowerment

Posted by sigismund on April 25, 2019, at 17:04:18

In reply to Re: Empowerment, posted by beckett2 on April 24, 2019, at 19:18:27

We need new words. I don't think 'shallow' quite hits the mark.

 

Re: Empowerment ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 26, 2019, at 17:24:24

In reply to Re: Empowerment, posted by sigismund on April 25, 2019, at 17:04:18

> We need new words. I don't think 'shallow' quite hits the mark.

Yes. I'll need to think on this.

 

Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on April 26, 2019, at 18:05:48

In reply to Re: Empowerment ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 26, 2019, at 17:24:24

https://therealnews.com/stories/u-s-hoped-putin-would-be-a-sober-yeltsin-rai-with-stephen-cohen-3-5

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on April 30, 2019, at 1:08:02

In reply to Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on April 26, 2019, at 18:05:48

> https://therealnews.com/stories/u-s-hoped-putin-would-be-a-sober-yeltsin-rai-with-stephen-cohen-3-5

Getting a different take on Putin is interesting. I think he is completely antidemocratic, but a good friend of mine says only fascism will be able to deal with global warming, so who knows. I'll be dead in twenty years (on the optimistic side) and no longer registered to vote. Siberia will become the world's breadbasket, and Putin will still be president. But he is a hydrocarbon oligarch....

Biden is running. Just when I felt ok to read the news again :(

How are your elections going?

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on May 1, 2019, at 17:40:39

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 30, 2019, at 1:08:02

Labor will win. They should. I hope so. The bookies think they will. The polls have been consistent. People prefer Morrison, but Like Plath might have said, 'Every Australian adores a fascist'.

Of course Putin is not democratic, although I trust the election results. If I were Russian I might vote for him. I actually listened to Ana Politovskaya at the Sydney Writers Festival. She was murdered by 'Putin' shortly after, which makes as much sense as 'Trump' as a category.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 1, 2019, at 22:36:55

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 1, 2019, at 17:40:39

> Labor will win. They should. I hope so. The bookies think they will. The polls have been consistent. People prefer Morrison, but Like Plath might have said, 'Every Australian adores a fascist'.
>
> Of course Putin is not democratic, although I trust the election results. If I were Russian I might vote for him. I actually listened to Ana Politovskaya at the Sydney Writers Festival. She was murdered by 'Putin' shortly after, which makes as much sense as 'Trump' as a category.

Well, she survived some harrowing events. Have you read any of her books?

The same Plath line works here too. I think of that line often, actually, like it's written into my DNA. Not everyone in the US has drank the Russia koolaid. Corruption is the key. Trump is corrupt and the entire system is corrupt. Bloody hydrocarbon oligarchs. All of them.

Lake Eerie was granted the full rights of a person by Toledo Ohio. If corporations, why not public water, national parks, coastlines, etc? In my opinion, that begins the redress.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on May 3, 2019, at 5:54:09

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on May 1, 2019, at 22:36:55

Well, Ariel, and the Bell Jar, and maybe it was Letters Home (was that edited by her mother?). In the Plath Archives by Janet Malcolm

Australia had some sort of egalitarian/authoritarian tradition. And the neoliberal reforms here were brought in by the ALP, and were therefore more moderate and inclusive.

One important difference is compulsory voting and the acceptance of it. Around 80% of people vote.

How come the whole system is corrupt? Someone must vote them in. The entire Liberal Party membership here is extremist compared to how it was 40 years ago. So they misrepresent themselves to their constituents and sometimes get caught out.

Is it the liberal media in the US? The possible lesson that might be drawn from Trump is intentionally excluded by the Russia stuff.

The NYT has done a special on Murdoch, I hear. This dreadful politics is pure Murdoch

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by alexandra_k on May 4, 2019, at 17:38:34

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 3, 2019, at 5:54:09

I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I wanted to say 'hi'

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 7, 2019, at 20:22:35

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 3, 2019, at 5:54:09

Do you remember this song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prOnr5zyBBY


> Well, Ariel, and the Bell Jar, and maybe it was Letters Home (was that edited by her mother?). In the Plath Archives by Janet Malcolm
>
> Australia had some sort of egalitarian/authoritarian tradition. And the neoliberal reforms here were brought in by the ALP, and were therefore more moderate and inclusive.
>
> One important difference is compulsory voting and the acceptance of it. Around 80% of people vote.
>
> How come the whole system is corrupt? Someone must vote them in. The entire Liberal Party membership here is extremist compared to how it was 40 years ago. So they misrepresent themselves to their constituents and sometimes get caught out.
>
> Is it the liberal media in the US? The possible lesson that might be drawn from Trump is intentionally excluded by the Russia stuff.
>
> The NYT has done a special on Murdoch, I hear. This dreadful politics is pure Murdoch

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on May 7, 2019, at 23:10:11

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on May 7, 2019, at 20:22:35

No, I don't, although I recall the group. I might have started on classical music then?

This man in a uniform thing bears a bit of thinking.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on May 8, 2019, at 0:26:48

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 7, 2019, at 23:10:11

After a stiff vodka (Ciroq) I found this funnier than I should have.....
You know who wrote it surely?

'It made inevitable our kakistocracy, rule by the worst or most unscrupulous (kakistocracy is derived from the Greek words kakistos, meaning worst, and kratos, meaning rule).

Those in the parade of imbeciles, grifters, con artists, conspiracy theorists, racists, Trump family members, charlatans, generals and Christian fascists, all of whom often see power as a way to enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayer, are too many to list here. They include former Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner.....'

The world is a bit hard to take sometimes.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen

Posted by sigismund on May 8, 2019, at 0:34:03

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 8, 2019, at 0:26:48

Ladbrokes accepted a A$1 million bet at 1.23 for an ALP win.

That sounds right.

I'd be *reasonably* comfortable making that bet. Put on 1 million, get 2.23 back. I guess so, rather than the other way.

Social media here is full of stuff about the ALP taxing everything. Even like with some people you know, which makes me want to stay inside. My generation is a problem.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 8, 2019, at 17:11:45

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 8, 2019, at 0:26:48

> After a stiff vodka (Ciroq) I found this funnier than I should have.....
> You know who wrote it surely?
>
> 'It made inevitable our kakistocracy, rule by the worst or most unscrupulous (kakistocracy is derived from the Greek words kakistos, meaning worst, and kratos, meaning rule).
>
> Those in the parade of imbeciles, grifters, con artists, conspiracy theorists, racists, Trump family members, charlatans, generals and Christian fascists, all of whom often see power as a way to enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayer, are too many to list here. They include former Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner.....'
>
> The world is a bit hard to take sometimes.

I don't know who wrote this?

This is our dumpster fire.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 8, 2019, at 17:15:56

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 8, 2019, at 0:34:03

> Ladbrokes accepted a A$1 million bet at 1.23 for an ALP win.
>
> That sounds right.
>
> I'd be *reasonably* comfortable making that bet. Put on 1 million, get 2.23 back. I guess so, rather than the other way.
>
> Social media here is full of stuff about the ALP taxing everything. Even like with some people you know, which makes me want to stay inside. My generation is a problem.

Tax! The horror. Yes. Plus Socialists will forbid air travel, etc.

Taxes are for losers. The news might have broken in the Guardian. I haven't checked yet, but the NYT did an exposÚ on Trump finances.

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on May 8, 2019, at 17:21:42

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by sigismund on May 7, 2019, at 23:10:11

> No, I don't, although I recall the group. I might have started on classical music then?
>
> This man in a uniform thing bears a bit of thinking.

Sorry. On a gang of four kick now. Love the guitar and bass! Back when white guys hopped around on stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzYmNAODef4

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ alexandra_k

Posted by beckett2 on May 8, 2019, at 19:41:21

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen, posted by alexandra_k on May 4, 2019, at 17:38:34

> I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I wanted to say 'hi'

Hi! :-)

 

Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ beckett2

Posted by sigismund on May 10, 2019, at 15:25:30

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ sigismund, posted by beckett2 on May 8, 2019, at 17:11:45

I thought Chris Hedges' style would stand out.

From today's Counterpunch......

What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army . . . Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, every where. Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.

President Abraham Lincoln, September 11, 1858

Civilisational failure writ large.

 

Gabor MatÚ

Posted by sigismund on May 10, 2019, at 15:32:53

In reply to Re: Stephen Cohen ╗ beckett2, posted by sigismund on May 10, 2019, at 15:25:30

One of my favourites. With Aron too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR07OtEhKPE

 

Re: Gabor MatÚ

Posted by alexandra_k on May 10, 2019, at 21:34:30

In reply to Gabor MatÚ, posted by sigismund on May 10, 2019, at 15:32:53

I thought kaka meant sh*t but apparently it is a kind of parrot in nz. I thought kaka was maaori for sh*t but apparently it is lots of countries word for sh*t but mostly it means parrot in maaori. pretty sure we called things 'kaka' when we thought they were sh*t when i was growing up in the waikato, but what would i know.

anyway...

i was thinking kakastocracy.

heh.

 

Re: Gabor MatÚ

Posted by alexandra_k on May 10, 2019, at 21:36:00

In reply to Re: Gabor MatÚ, posted by alexandra_k on May 10, 2019, at 21:34:30

mind you, i remember people had me believe kotunga was maaori for aerial when i was growing up.

kotunga = coat hanger

haha.

 

Re: Gabor MatÚ

Posted by alexandra_k on May 10, 2019, at 21:55:35

In reply to Re: Gabor MatÚ, posted by alexandra_k on May 10, 2019, at 21:36:00

i think it was a billy t james joke. that means it isn't racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLfDNCbgYU


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