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Posted by zeugma on June 22, 2006, at 19:13:10
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New intel report reignites Iraq arms fight By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and probably are so old they couldn't be used as designed, intelligence officials said Thursday.
Two lawmakers — Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., and House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich. — on Wednesday circulated a one-page summary of a military intelligence report that says coalition forces have recovered about 500 munitions with mustard or sarin agents, and more could be discovered around Iraq. "We now have found stockpiles," Santorum asserted.But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.
They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.
He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.
"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.
And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.
Asked about the potential danger to U.S. troops, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said: "They are weapons of mass destruction. They are harmful to human beings. And they have been found."
The newly declassified military intelligence report was released Wednesday by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte. Santorum and Hoekstra had urged him to release report this week during congressional debates on Iraq.
The senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee questioned the timing of the report's release. "What worries me is that the intelligence community — Ambassador Negroponte in particular — may be playing a partisan role in the 2006 election," California Rep. Jane Harman (news, bio, voting record) said.
Hoekstra said the document is not a "smoking gun." But he hinted that the chemical agents could be significant because they may have been added to the discovered artillery shells after the first Gulf War. He noted that one of the declassified findings says the munitions could be lethal.
"David Kay says anything produced prior to 1991 is not lethal anymore, so what is the discrepancy here?" Hoekstra said. "I am 100 percent sure if David Kay had the opportunity to look at the reports that describe these things, he would agree with the finding that ... these things are lethal and deadly," Hoekstra said.
Intelligence officials said the munitions were found in ones, twos and maybe slightly larger collections over the past couple of years. One official conceded that these pre-Gulf War weapons did not pose a threat to the U.S. military before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. They were not maintained or part of any organized program run by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
There is no evidence that insurgents have found the chemical munitions. But one official said that insurgents have improvised conventional weapons, so they could apply similar creativity with the vintage weapons.
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On that note, the declassification of unprecedented amounts of raw intel has afforded Sen. Santorum, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, and- to a lesser extent- Rep. Hoekstra, with opportunities for "creativity" regarding the meaning of the term "weapons of mass destruction." (Some of them, sad to say, were kindly provided by Mr. Rumsfeld during the 80's so Iraq could fight Iran to a standstill in the bloodiest war of that decade, so I suppose he has the right to be creative with his "intellectual property.")This intel isn't new by the way, I don't know why it's being publicized now, unless it has something to do with the upcoming Congressional elections. Rep. Hoekstra got this vast cache into the public domain many, many months ago, and info regarding sarin from the 80's was never a secret.
possibly the "kitchen sink" approach to re-election?
-z
Posted by Jakeman on June 24, 2006, at 0:09:52
In reply to smoking gun under kitchen sink, posted by zeugma on June 22, 2006, at 19:13:10
The US provided arms to Iraq in the 1980's and beyond. References provided upon request.
warm regards, Jake
> New intel report reignites Iraq arms fight By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
> 23 minutes ago
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> WASHINGTON - Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and probably are so old they couldn't be used as designed, intelligence officials said Thursday.
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> Two lawmakers — Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., and House Intelligence Chairman Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich. — on Wednesday circulated a one-page summary of a military intelligence report that says coalition forces have recovered about 500 munitions with mustard or sarin agents, and more could be discovered around Iraq. "We now have found stockpiles," Santorum asserted.
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> But intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitive nature, said the weapons were produced before the 1991 Gulf War and there is no evidence to date of chemical munitions manufactured since then. They said an assessment of the weapons concluded they are so degraded that they couldn't now be used as designed.
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> They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.
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> He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.
>
> "It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said.
>
> And any of Iraq's 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.
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> Asked about the potential danger to U.S. troops, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said: "They are weapons of mass destruction. They are harmful to human beings. And they have been found."
>
> The newly declassified military intelligence report was released Wednesday by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte. Santorum and Hoekstra had urged him to release report this week during congressional debates on Iraq.
>
> The senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee questioned the timing of the report's release. "What worries me is that the intelligence community — Ambassador Negroponte in particular — may be playing a partisan role in the 2006 election," California Rep. Jane Harman (news, bio, voting record) said.
>
> Hoekstra said the document is not a "smoking gun." But he hinted that the chemical agents could be significant because they may have been added to the discovered artillery shells after the first Gulf War. He noted that one of the declassified findings says the munitions could be lethal.
>
> "David Kay says anything produced prior to 1991 is not lethal anymore, so what is the discrepancy here?" Hoekstra said. "I am 100 percent sure if David Kay had the opportunity to look at the reports that describe these things, he would agree with the finding that ... these things are lethal and deadly," Hoekstra said.
>
> Intelligence officials said the munitions were found in ones, twos and maybe slightly larger collections over the past couple of years. One official conceded that these pre-Gulf War weapons did not pose a threat to the U.S. military before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. They were not maintained or part of any organized program run by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
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> There is no evidence that insurgents have found the chemical munitions. But one official said that insurgents have improvised conventional weapons, so they could apply similar creativity with the vintage weapons.
>
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> On that note, the declassification of unprecedented amounts of raw intel has afforded Sen. Santorum, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, and- to a lesser extent- Rep. Hoekstra, with opportunities for "creativity" regarding the meaning of the term "weapons of mass destruction." (Some of them, sad to say, were kindly provided by Mr. Rumsfeld during the 80's so Iraq could fight Iran to a standstill in the bloodiest war of that decade, so I suppose he has the right to be creative with his "intellectual property.")
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> This intel isn't new by the way, I don't know why it's being publicized now, unless it has something to do with the upcoming Congressional elections. Rep. Hoekstra got this vast cache into the public domain many, many months ago, and info regarding sarin from the 80's was never a secret.
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> possibly the "kitchen sink" approach to re-election?
>
> -z
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