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Posted by bleauberry on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:52
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
Since this isn't really a medication topic I wouldn't be surprised if it gets bumped to a different forum. In the meantime....
Satan would love nothing better than for you to turn to him. He is everywhere ya know. Not hard to find and he is quick to respond. His entire purpose is to keep as many people as possible from entering eternal life with God. He is the master of deception. He can show you incredible love, warmth, and wisdom...kind of like giving an unsuspecting child all the candy and toys prior to slicing the poor kid's head off with a sword.
If you question God's existence and have failed to have faith in Jesus, be assured the devil is already dancing with joy at you.
Faith...that means believing without seeing. God's Kingdom is filled with those who kept the faith right until the end. Our life as humans is but a mere speck of sand on a beach compared to eternal time. It is the eternal time that matters, and what we do in this lifetime determines whether we get there or we rot to dust.
To be in a place of perfect happiness, freedom from evil, freedom from illness, love and warmth, means the devil must be rejected at every turn every moment.
The Bible can be much too overwhelming to many. There is just so much in there, not laid out like a regular book, and wisdom that is almost beyond our comprehension. Keep it simpler...spend your time reading Psalms and Proverbs before reading others.
Will God wave a magic wand and cure you? I doubt it. Miracle healings do happen, but I've never witnessed them. They do seem fewer than in olden days. Can God give you the inhuman strength to endure, and the wisdom to know the correct course of action? Without a doubt. Whatever the reason for you sufferings, faith says there is a perfectly good reason for it....a reason we could not possibly understand at this time....and that you would be glad for it if you knew why. Faith. Some of God's most cherished men in the Bible suffered chronic illnesses, depression, and "thorns in the side". God allowed it. Why? We don't know. All we do know is that in the end, it was all for good purpose. Maybe God was testing to see if his favorite children would retain faith even during bad times, or see if they would choose voluntarily to fall away to dust as did Lucifer.
It's bad enough being a psychiatric patient. Don't make it 1000 times worse by turning to the devil. Praise God and worship Him even if you can't think of a reason to. He works by way of volunteerism....if you don't seek Him, he won't be there for you. Unlike the devil, He doesn't force or trick anyone. It is purely only a decision you can make, to ask God into your life.
As a sidenote, the name Lucifer was actually a good angel. He was the master musician, a true delight to God. His ego became so big he thought he was as good as God. He rebelled and wanted the same status as God. He went astray. That's when he became the opposite of God, and took the new name Satan. Lucifer was exceedingly good, Satan exceedingly bad, but both the same spirit. Don't follow that same path, because the end is ugly. If you think you've seen bad times now, you aint seen nothing yet if you turn to the devil.
I mean, really, it's this simple....do you want say 60 years of depression followed by a thousand years of pure bliss; or do you want 60 years of depression followed by despair and agony so deep that the human brain can't even comprehend that kind of pain and loneliness? Obviously the 60 years of depression part sucks. At least in the God-chosen life, depression will be lighter than heavier, and stands a chance of being fixed. But the rest of time, no contest, should be an easy choice,,,,unless trapped within the cunning deception of the evil imposter.
Resist the devil at every moment and every turn. During vulnerable times, speak the word Jesus as often as you like, and pick up a Bible. Stay the good course my friend.
Posted by Dinah on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:52
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
I've never quite understood how it's possible to believe in the devil without believing in God. Aren't they part of the same belief system?
That being said, I tend to agree with Conundrum. Antipsychotics are very good for obsessive and troublesome thoughts. You don't need to be psychotic for antipsychotics to be helpful.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:53
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by bleauberry on September 26, 2010, at 9:52:24
alright, thank you everyone for you posts. I've been thinking ... really are there alternate way's to get help. The devil is unseen and many people believe he's not there. He is.
I'm picking sides and I can't serve two masters but what you said blueberry about giving a kid all the toys and then killing him got me back. Saturn eats his children and Saturn is also known as Satan. Venus is Lucifer, the light[the false light]
Alot of Satanism does not believe in Satan there more athests. There is something called "Spirtual Satanism" which you pray to Satan and he awnser you requests, and that's whats been on my mind. Alot of times I choose stupid choices, but reason I choose Satan is because he would defend and disasterous events on people that hurt me, or care nothing about me. But, my heart really says don't take revenge, but my mind says do it. Now, you usally don't tell people how the satanic devil worship was because they keep that secret. I myself could never ... i could never summon satan to a place because it's too much risk of inviting demons into a place, or into to me. I've read that in spiritual satanism, demons are your friends if you are loyal to them, they usally attack people who are against the devil, and cause suffering, torment. Black magic .. which is satanism, but it's more related to witchcraft, there are .. other things besides witchcraft, like you just tell the devil whats going on and he would help you, but he's nothing like God. He has no mercy, well obviously because hell is not a place of love, but rather a place of eternal danmation and that's category that he's in. There was only a small part of myself that was thinking about knowing the devil and him having my back. But when I look at the whole picture, this is darkness.
I myself am not even dabbling in Satanism, its just been an idea that's got me thinking about it. I was praying to God, and then this feeling of "treason" for praying to God, then go and talk to the devil thinking its ok with God. I don't even know how to speak to Satan, he's not omnipresent, so he's always doing something or he uses his demons to work his communication.
Really...it's a dark thought to think about. But this ... other side of me say's if can't say any nice to God, go laugh with Satan. Ugh, thinking about who I am, i'm big, im ugly, and ... if I tell anyone any connections with the devil there going to look down on me. It's like having the mafia be around you, they watch you and usally threaten death or torment if you don't do with what they say.
Anyways, that's it but there's no way I would have the courage to do spells. And frankly I need to tell God where I am, and why I want to speak with Satan.
Posted by Maxime on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:53
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
> Anti-psychotic medication can help with troublesome religious preoccupations.
I believe he already takes Zyprexa. RJ, do you take Zyprexa on a regular basis?
Posted by Conundrum on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:53
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on September 26, 2010, at 21:31:44
I don't want to get in a debate about religion, but I hate seeing people beat themselves up about things that don't exist. Its like people who think the world is going to end in 2012. Just because an ancient text says something, doesn't mean its true.
Posted by Jeroen on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:53
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Conundrum on September 27, 2010, at 6:38:24
i do think something is going to happen in 2012
Posted by Conundrum on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:54
In reply to 2012, posted by Jeroen on September 27, 2010, at 6:41:29
Maybe a cult committing suicide. I doubt anything major will occur unless, people who believe in the 2010 thing, make it happen.
Posted by bulldog2 on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:54
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by bleauberry on September 26, 2010, at 9:52:24
> Since this isn't really a medication topic I wouldn't be surprised if it gets bumped to a different forum. In the meantime....
>
> Satan would love nothing better than for you to turn to him. He is everywhere ya know. Not hard to find and he is quick to respond. His entire purpose is to keep as many people as possible from entering eternal life with God. He is the master of deception. He can show you incredible love, warmth, and wisdom...kind of like giving an unsuspecting child all the candy and toys prior to slicing the poor kid's head off with a sword.
>
> If you question God's existence and have failed to have faith in Jesus, be assured the devil is already dancing with joy at you.
>
> Faith...that means believing without seeing. God's Kingdom is filled with those who kept the faith right until the end. Our life as humans is but a mere speck of sand on a beach compared to eternal time. It is the eternal time that matters, and what we do in this lifetime determines whether we get there or we rot to dust.
>
> To be in a place of perfect happiness, freedom from evil, freedom from illness, love and warmth, means the devil must be rejected at every turn every moment.
>
> The Bible can be much too overwhelming to many. There is just so much in there, not laid out like a regular book, and wisdom that is almost beyond our comprehension. Keep it simpler...spend your time reading Psalms and Proverbs before reading others.
>
> Will God wave a magic wand and cure you? I doubt it. Miracle healings do happen, but I've never witnessed them. They do seem fewer than in olden days. Can God give you the inhuman strength to endure, and the wisdom to know the correct course of action? Without a doubt. Whatever the reason for you sufferings, faith says there is a perfectly good reason for it....a reason we could not possibly understand at this time....and that you would be glad for it if you knew why. Faith. Some of God's most cherished men in the Bible suffered chronic illnesses, depression, and "thorns in the side". God allowed it. Why? We don't know. All we do know is that in the end, it was all for good purpose. Maybe God was testing to see if his favorite children would retain faith even during bad times, or see if they would choose voluntarily to fall away to dust as did Lucifer.
>
> It's bad enough being a psychiatric patient. Don't make it 1000 times worse by turning to the devil. Praise God and worship Him even if you can't think of a reason to. He works by way of volunteerism....if you don't seek Him, he won't be there for you. Unlike the devil, He doesn't force or trick anyone. It is purely only a decision you can make, to ask God into your life.
>
> As a sidenote, the name Lucifer was actually a good angel. He was the master musician, a true delight to God. His ego became so big he thought he was as good as God. He rebelled and wanted the same status as God. He went astray. That's when he became the opposite of God, and took the new name Satan. Lucifer was exceedingly good, Satan exceedingly bad, but both the same spirit. Don't follow that same path, because the end is ugly. If you think you've seen bad times now, you aint seen nothing yet if you turn to the devil.
>
> I mean, really, it's this simple....do you want say 60 years of depression followed by a thousand years of pure bliss; or do you want 60 years of depression followed by despair and agony so deep that the human brain can't even comprehend that kind of pain and loneliness? Obviously the 60 years of depression part sucks. At least in the God-chosen life, depression will be lighter than heavier, and stands a chance of being fixed. But the rest of time, no contest, should be an easy choice,,,,unless trapped within the cunning deception of the evil imposter.
>
> Resist the devil at every moment and every turn. During vulnerable times, speak the word Jesus as often as you like, and pick up a Bible. Stay the good course my friend.Some find eternal life as a vampire. Only a select few are chosen to serve the Great One.
Posted by bleauberry on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:54
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil » bleauberry, posted by bulldog2 on September 27, 2010, at 15:21:39
>
> Some find eternal life as a vampire. Only a select few are chosen to serve the Great One.No one is selected to serve God. All one needs to do is choose to.
Posted by bulldog2 on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:54
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by bleauberry on September 27, 2010, at 15:36:33
>
> >
> > Some find eternal life as a vampire. Only a select few are chosen to serve the Great One.
>
> No one is selected to serve God. All one needs to do is choose to.
>
>
What about those who believe in God but were raised in another religious tradition that does not believe in Jesus? How do they make the tradition to believing in him? One has to go against what they were taught.
Posted by sigismund on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:54
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by bulldog2 on September 27, 2010, at 17:37:17
Should we start talking about manifest destiny?
Posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 17:06:17
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by bleauberry on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:52
> Since this isn't really a medication topic I wouldn't be surprised if it gets bumped to a different forum. In the meantime....
>
> Satan would love nothing better than for you to turn to him. He is everywhere ya know. Not hard to find and he is quick to respond. His entire purpose is to keep as many people as possible from entering eternal life with God. He is the master of deception. He can show you incredible love, warmth, and wisdom...kind of like giving an unsuspecting child all the candy and toys prior to slicing the poor kid's head off with a sword.
>
> If you question God's existence and have failed to have faith in Jesus, be assured the devil is already dancing with joy at you.
>
> Faith...that means believing without seeing. God's Kingdom is filled with those who kept the faith right until the end. Our life as humans is but a mere speck of sand on a beach compared to eternal time. It is the eternal time that matters, and what we do in this lifetime determines whether we get there or we rot to dust.
>
> To be in a place of perfect happiness, freedom from evil, freedom from illness, love and warmth, means the devil must be rejected at every turn every moment.
>
> The Bible can be much too overwhelming to many. There is just so much in there, not laid out like a regular book, and wisdom that is almost beyond our comprehension. Keep it simpler...spend your time reading Psalms and Proverbs before reading others.
>
> Will God wave a magic wand and cure you? I doubt it. Miracle healings do happen, but I've never witnessed them. They do seem fewer than in olden days. Can God give you the inhuman strength to endure, and the wisdom to know the correct course of action? Without a doubt. Whatever the reason for you sufferings, faith says there is a perfectly good reason for it....a reason we could not possibly understand at this time....and that you would be glad for it if you knew why. Faith. Some of God's most cherished men in the Bible suffered chronic illnesses, depression, and "thorns in the side". God allowed it. Why? We don't know. All we do know is that in the end, it was all for good purpose. Maybe God was testing to see if his favorite children would retain faith even during bad times, or see if they would choose voluntarily to fall away to dust as did Lucifer.
>
> It's bad enough being a psychiatric patient. Don't make it 1000 times worse by turning to the devil. Praise God and worship Him even if you can't think of a reason to. He works by way of volunteerism....if you don't seek Him, he won't be there for you. Unlike the devil, He doesn't force or trick anyone. It is purely only a decision you can make, to ask God into your life.
>
> As a sidenote, the name Lucifer was actually a good angel. He was the master musician, a true delight to God. His ego became so big he thought he was as good as God. He rebelled and wanted the same status as God. He went astray. That's when he became the opposite of God, and took the new name Satan. Lucifer was exceedingly good, Satan exceedingly bad, but both the same spirit. Don't follow that same path, because the end is ugly. If you think you've seen bad times now, you aint seen nothing yet if you turn to the devil.
>
> I mean, really, it's this simple....do you want say 60 years of depression followed by a thousand years of pure bliss; or do you want 60 years of depression followed by despair and agony so deep that the human brain can't even comprehend that kind of pain and loneliness? Obviously the 60 years of depression part sucks. At least in the God-chosen life, depression will be lighter than heavier, and stands a chance of being fixed. But the rest of time, no contest, should be an easy choice,,,,unless trapped within the cunning deception of the evil imposter.
>
> Resist the devil at every moment and every turn. During vulnerable times, speak the word Jesus as often as you like, and pick up a Bible. Stay the good course my friend.bleau,
You wrote,[...If you question God's existance and have failed to have xxxxx in Yyyyy, be assured that the devil is already dancing with xxx at xxx..]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean here and if you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Which god are you refering to as to those that question God's existance?
B. Is the devil dancing with xxx at the Jewish children now, whose faith rejects the claim to have faith in Yyyyy, that were murderd by antisemites? Was the devil dancing with xxx before they were murderd?
C. redacted by respondent
Lou
Posted by sigismund on September 30, 2010, at 2:52:47
In reply to Lou's request-suopurpsehihn » bleauberry, posted by Lou Pilder on September 29, 2010, at 17:06:17
What did God think about the extermination of the Amerindians, and (since we are at it) the Australian Aborigines?
Posted by sigismund on September 30, 2010, at 18:39:57
In reply to Re: Lou's request-suopurpsehihn » Lou Pilder, posted by sigismund on September 30, 2010, at 2:52:47
If men create God in their own image, perhaps He felt this?
"Those that escaped the fire were slain with the sword, some hewed to pieces, others run through with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatched and very few escaped. It was conceived that they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fire and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stink and scent thereof; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave the praise thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to enclose their enemies in their hands and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enemy."
William Bradford, 1637, on the destruction of the Pequod settlement in Connecticut.
Posted by hyperfocus on October 3, 2010, at 19:56:21
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:53
Part of the mythology of Satan is that he gives people what they want...and then some. This character associated with Satan - Mephisto - is always making deals with people.
Here's a story: Once there was this struggling medical student who wanted to pass her exams more than anything else. She wanted nothing more than to be recognized as an outstanding doctor, to be known by everyone. She made a deal with Mephisto - I'll do any evil you want me to, I'll give you anything I have, just help me pass my exams. Mephisto said ok - I'll give you the exam papers beforehand. All I want in return are a few of your memories. The girl agreed, she had so many memories so who cared if she had to give up some.
End of the year the girl's heart was filled with pride and joy. She had gotten top honors and was recognized as the most brilliant student in her class. The few weeks after her exams were the happiest in her entire life. She got drunk on the admiration of her friends and family and professors. She had every single thing she ever wanted.
One Monday morning she began her internship. Her supervisor asked her a question. But she couldn't remember what the answer was. All day her supervisor and other students asked her questions. She couldn't remember a single thing. Nurses came to her asking for directions. But she didn't know anything. Patients pleaded with her to help them but she couldn't remember the names of their diseases. Nothing she had studied could be remembered. Everyone at the university looked at her with astonishment, how could a such a brilliant student not know a single thing about medicine? At the end of the first year of her internship she had endured an unbelievable level of disgrace and humiliation. Everywhere she went there were whispers about her. People pointed at her and laughed. Everybody knew who she was. Every day she wished the earth would swallow her up.
God does not give us what we want - he gives us what we need. Satan does the opposite. God's purpose is to uplift Man. Satan's purpose is to degrade us. Choose carefully who you want to serve.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 4, 2010, at 17:36:38
In reply to Re: Going to the Devil, posted by hyperfocus on October 3, 2010, at 19:56:21
> Part of the mythology of Satan is that he gives people what they want...and then some. This character associated with Satan - Mephisto - is always making deals with people.
>
> Here's a story: Once there was this struggling medical student who wanted to pass her exams more than anything else. She wanted nothing more than to be recognized as an outstanding doctor, to be known by everyone. She made a deal with Mephisto - I'll do any evil you want me to, I'll give you anything I have, just help me pass my exams. Mephisto said ok - I'll give you the exam papers beforehand. All I want in return are a few of your memories. The girl agreed, she had so many memories so who cared if she had to give up some.
>
> End of the year the girl's heart was filled with pride and joy. She had gotten top honors and was recognized as the most brilliant student in her class. The few weeks after her exams were the happiest in her entire life. She got drunk on the admiration of her friends and family and professors. She had every single thing she ever wanted.
>
> One Monday morning she began her internship. Her supervisor asked her a question. But she couldn't remember what the answer was. All day her supervisor and other students asked her questions. She couldn't remember a single thing. Nurses came to her asking for directions. But she didn't know anything. Patients pleaded with her to help them but she couldn't remember the names of their diseases. Nothing she had studied could be remembered. Everyone at the university looked at her with astonishment, how could a such a brilliant student not know a single thing about medicine? At the end of the first year of her internship she had endured an unbelievable level of disgrace and humiliation. Everywhere she went there were whispers about her. People pointed at her and laughed. Everybody knew who she was. Every day she wished the earth would swallow her up.
>
> God does not give us what we want - he gives us what we need. Satan does the opposite. God's purpose is to uplift Man. Satan's purpose is to degrade us. Choose carefully who you want to serve.h_f,
You wrote,[...the mythology ...God des not...]
I am unsure as to what you are referring to here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly
A. In,[...the mythology of...], which Satan are you referring to?
1a. the Satan of Greek mythology
1b. the Satan of the Bibile
1c. something else
B. In,[...God does not...],
1b. Which God are you referring to?
2b. do you use biblical criteria for such that the God that you are referring to [...does not...]?
If you post just an answer to either 1b or 2b, then I could have a good idea of what you are wanting to mean. Is it 2b or not 2b?
Lou
Posted by hyperfocus on October 5, 2010, at 23:18:14
In reply to Lou's request-datizdahqustun » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 4, 2010, at 17:36:38
> A. In,[...the mythology of...], which Satan are you referring to?
> 1a. the Satan of Greek mythology
> 1b. the Satan of the Bibile
> 1c. something elseWell I was thinking the Western/Christian concept of Satan as the source of all evil or the antithesis to God. I guess this idea has its root in the Bible but I really don't know much about how Satan is portrayed there, apart from the well-known stories
> B. In,[...God does not...],
> 1b. Which God are you referring to?
> 2b. do you use biblical criteria for such that the God that you are referring to [...does not...]?
> If you post just an answer to either 1b or 2b, then I could have a good idea of what you are wanting to mean. Is it 2b or not 2b?
> Lou
>
1b. It would be the God of Abraham and Issac and Jacob I guess I was referring to, although I don't really see how there could be multiple Gods...2b It seems to me that God making people do things they don't want to do is a common motif across the Old and New Testament. I doubt Abraham wanted to sacrifice Issac but God seemingly instructed him to. Joseph didn't want to be betrayed by his own brothers but God allowed it to happen. Seems like all the people God singles out are always given some task or made to undergo some ordeal in order to elevate to better things.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 6, 2010, at 19:19:12
In reply to Re: Lou's request-datizdahqustun » Lou Pilder, posted by hyperfocus on October 5, 2010, at 23:18:14
> > A. In,[...the mythology of...], which Satan are you referring to?
> > 1a. the Satan of Greek mythology
> > 1b. the Satan of the Bibile
> > 1c. something else
>
> Well I was thinking the Western/Christian concept of Satan as the source of all evil or the antithesis to God. I guess this idea has its root in the Bible but I really don't know much about how Satan is portrayed there, apart from the well-known stories
>
>
>
> > B. In,[...God does not...],
> > 1b. Which God are you referring to?
> > 2b. do you use biblical criteria for such that the God that you are referring to [...does not...]?
> > If you post just an answer to either 1b or 2b, then I could have a good idea of what you are wanting to mean. Is it 2b or not 2b?
> > Lou
> >
> 1b. It would be the God of Abraham and Issac and Jacob I guess I was referring to, although I don't really see how there could be multiple Gods...
>
> 2b It seems to me that God making people do things they don't want to do is a common motif across the Old and New Testament. I doubt Abraham wanted to sacrifice Issac but God seemingly instructed him to. Joseph didn't want to be betrayed by his own brothers but God allowed it to happen. Seems like all the people God singles out are always given some task or made to undergo some ordeal in order to elevate to better things.
>h_f,
You wrote,[...The God of Abraham...God making people do things they don't want to do... people God singles out..made to undergo some ordeal...].
You know, what I have been writing about here is about what has been revealed to me by the same God that you have identified here. You see, it has been revealed to me that there is a Kingdom in heaven and that we are separated by a Great Gulf from that heavenly kingdom as being in a flesh-state, that has been revealed to me to be death, and that people in the heavenly Kingdom are in a spiritual-state, which has been revealed to me to be life. And it has been revealed to me that we can cross over the Great Gulf that separates us from the heavenly state. And that state there is no pain or suffering in that Kingdom. There is no death or tears in that Kingdom. And it has been revealed to me that that Kingdom is not of this world. And when I had an encounter with One from that Kingdom he said to me, "Seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness." And I asked hIm what the way was to the His Kingdom. And He said to me, "Through much tribulation we must enter the Kingdom."
Much tribulation? Are not many members here in {much tribulation}? Are there members here in an ordeal? but you see, it has been revealed to me that those in an ordeal stand at the Great Gulf and have the opportunity to respond accordingly and pass from death to life.
And you see there is no pain or tears in the Kingdom. So it has been revealed to me that we can have on earth what is in heaven. And there are no drugs in heaven. There are no criminals in heaven. There is no hate in heaven. There is no depression in heaven. There is no addiction in heaven. and for all those that want to be made free from addiction and depression that One said to me, "It is the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." Yet I then said, "Show me a sign." And He said to me, " No sign shall be given to you except the sign of Jonah."
Lou
Posted by hyperfocus on October 7, 2010, at 17:30:23
In reply to Lou's reply-hrtovurth » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 6, 2010, at 19:19:12
Thanks for sharing this Lou. And I believe this vision. I really believe the children of Abraham will one day cross over into a place where there's no drugs or pain or suffering or tears. Having mental illness really feels like being down in the belly of something - I feel so far away from everything good. It seems so long ago and far away that I felt happy or that life had meaning. It feels like I'm so separated and alone.
Maybe you're right, maybe I should give up the medication. Maybe all I need is to ask God to deliver me from wherever I am, back to dry land. It's definitely something I'd be willing to try.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2010, at 15:02:06
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-hrtovurth » Lou Pilder, posted by hyperfocus on October 7, 2010, at 17:30:23
> Thanks for sharing this Lou. And I believe this vision. I really believe the children of Abraham will one day cross over into a place where there's no drugs or pain or suffering or tears. Having mental illness really feels like being down in the belly of something - I feel so far away from everything good. It seems so long ago and far away that I felt happy or that life had meaning. It feels like I'm so separated and alone.
>
> Maybe you're right, maybe I should give up the medication. Maybe all I need is to ask God to deliver me from wherever I am, back to dry land. It's definitely something I'd be willing to try.h_f,
You wrote,[...maybe I should...I'd be willing to try...]
If you do, you could have to go through great tribulation. I could be a partner in tribulation either by email or on the board.
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on October 9, 2010, at 18:34:46
In reply to Lou's reply-greytribb » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2010, at 15:02:06
You're a kind man, Lou.
gg
Posted by 10derHeart on October 10, 2010, at 1:07:52
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-greytribb » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on October 9, 2010, at 18:34:46
I was going to post the exact same thing.
You really are, Lou.
ps- nice to see you here, gg.
Posted by hyperfocus on October 11, 2010, at 23:15:14
In reply to Lou's reply-greytribb » hyperfocus, posted by Lou Pilder on October 8, 2010, at 15:02:06
Ha, tribulation indeed. I've been on meds for at least 12 years. They might have to invent a new word to describe what I would experience attempting to go off all meds and I daresay most babblers are in the same boat.
I'm curious Lou about what you believe about meds, could you tell us more about why you believe that med users may suffer some terrible punishment from God? I recall you always ment6ion "mind-altering drugs;" well I think the only type of drugs that existed in biblical times were drugs like wine that were used to achieve feelings of euphoria and relaxation. The only equivalent modern mind-altering drugs would be cocaine and meth and LSD and heroin and substances like that. There's no way to classify SSRIs and MAOIS and APs and all the rest with these illegal drugs.
Sure some people might report feeling great or a healthy euphoria on something like Nardil but I suspect what we think feels wonderful might be just normal for healthy people. I remember when I was very young that after I woke up I had like a lot of anticipation as to what the new day would bring. I wish I could get back to feeling that way, but the point is this isn't a 'mind-altered state.' Personally some meds actually increase the raw psychic pain I feel, but then the pain becomes less diffuse and less dissociative and I fell like my mind doesn't have to spend 90% of the time fruitlessly spinning its wheels attempting to fix some traumatic experiences I had years ago and I'm able to function better at day-to-day tasks.
So my questions is why would these substances which attempt to fix minds instead of alter them be evil? The brain is a part of the human body and like every part of the body can be injured. So what is it in your revelation that leads you to believe that God doesn't want us to treat our brains with meds, just like we treat our heart or lungs?
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2010, at 8:03:36
In reply to Re: mind-altering meds » Lou Pilder, posted by hyperfocus on October 11, 2010, at 23:15:14
> Ha, tribulation indeed. I've been on meds for at least 12 years. They might have to invent a new word to describe what I would experience attempting to go off all meds and I daresay most babblers are in the same boat.
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> I'm curious Lou about what you believe about meds, could you tell us more about why you believe that med users may suffer some terrible punishment from God? I recall you always ment6ion "mind-altering drugs;" well I think the only type of drugs that existed in biblical times were drugs like wine that were used to achieve feelings of euphoria and relaxation. The only equivalent modern mind-altering drugs would be cocaine and meth and LSD and heroin and substances like that. There's no way to classify SSRIs and MAOIS and APs and all the rest with these illegal drugs.
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> Sure some people might report feeling great or a healthy euphoria on something like Nardil but I suspect what we think feels wonderful might be just normal for healthy people. I remember when I was very young that after I woke up I had like a lot of anticipation as to what the new day would bring. I wish I could get back to feeling that way, but the point is this isn't a 'mind-altered state.' Personally some meds actually increase the raw psychic pain I feel, but then the pain becomes less diffuse and less dissociative and I fell like my mind doesn't have to spend 90% of the time fruitlessly spinning its wheels attempting to fix some traumatic experiences I had years ago and I'm able to function better at day-to-day tasks.
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> So my questions is why would these substances which attempt to fix minds instead of alter them be evil? The brain is a part of the human body and like every part of the body can be injured. So what is it in your revelation that leads you to believe that God doesn't want us to treat our brains with meds, just like we treat our heart or lungs?
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h_f,
You wrote,[...tribulation indeed...have to invent a new word to describe what I would experiance attenpting to go off all (mind-altering drugs)...].
It has been revealed to me from the god that you are referring to here that it is His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven. There is no pain or suffering or tears or death in heaven.
When one is called to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, it has been revealed to me that there can be great tribulation to overcome by the person called. When I was talking about The Sign of Jonah, what has been revealed to me about that is different from the popular teachings.
The Kingdom of heaven can be here and now. When I had an encounter with a Rider on a White Horse, the first thing that He said to me was, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
This Kingdom, is not observed. It is a spiritual Kingdom, not of this world. One that enters has the power to overcome and receive a Crown of Life. It has been revealed to me the mysteries of The Kingdom. I can not share most of that revelation here due to rules made here by the administration.
Now in that encounter, there were directions to follow to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I was told that one can not enter that Kingdom in any way by themselves and that God's power allows one to enter. This power is like the wind. And the wind can lift. And one can be lifted out of tribulation and the Spirit of God can come into them and conceive a new person that then can enter the Kingdom of Heaven. It has been revealed to me that this Lifting is done by the Wind of God passing under His Wings.
And when I had this encounter I was in great fear. Then the Rider said to me, "Come into Me, all that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest, for those that fear My name the Sun of Righteousness will arise with healing in His wings."
Lou
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Posted by TheDmachine on September 27, 2011, at 20:05:31
In reply to Going to the Devil, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on September 28, 2010, at 6:17:22
太笨了！！！Of course you should not worship the devil, by very nature you must focus on what is good. The Devil by nature can bring no good to anyone, for the devil is not good but evil.
Asking if you should follow the devil is akin to asking if you should believe what you know to be a lie, or believe who you know to be a liar, believing who you know to be a liar is counter productive and is actually an oxymoron...
It's like asking 'should I live by death', 'should I read in the dark'...if you are going to have faith, faith by it's very nature can not be in that which is 'faithless' and the devil by nature can not be faithful because he is the opposite of all that is good and positive. And if you don't believe faith to be positive, then why even have faith in anything, for practicing something you know to be purely negative in nature is also in itself an oxymoron.
Faith in God!!! Trust me, I have been negative; and yes night and day oppose but also create each other, still light is more positive than darkness. Good and Evil may need each other for both to exist, and yes evil may be necessary to prove and create good, and yes life exists within contrasts and shadows of darkness and light, but by nature we must strive for that which is good. Once we stop striving for goodness all is lost, including any benefit to ourselves, for evil can truly benefit no one, for it is, by nature, purely negative.
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