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The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free

Posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

I've read many different issues that are posted on this board and most of them are very sad. It's sad to believe that all these people are just rambling on with no evidence to support their convictions. It's sad that people out there flock to listen to these infinite lies and keep feeding the lies. Willing to listen to anything their itching ears want to hear but when the truth is spoken they turn away. Don't be fooled!

There is one God and one Lord, that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Everyone will bow before Christ, either during their life, at their death or when He comes again. There will be no one standing before Him. Not the Pope, Billy Graham or even Hitler, they all will bow down before Christ. Jesus died to give us life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved...if you do not...then you will not be saved. If you honor any other god besides Jesus, you will not be saved. It is just the way it is. You can't reason your way out of it or think your way out of it. It doesn't matter if you plug your ears and gouge out your eyes...the truth is known. The truth is complied into a book we call the Bible. It is absolute truth; there is nothing that stands against it. Christ is coming again. Be ready. Don't get sidetracked with clever sounding arguments and interesting concepts--Jesus will be revealed before all of us very soon...are you ready? Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes (Israel, Middle East, United Nations, Terrorism, The European Union) this is not made up. We are living in the final days, don’t follow someone’s beliefs because you like it. Follow God because He is who He says He is. He does not lie or conceal the truth. He loves you and me. He gives us hope for eternity through his Son Jesus Christ.

Jesus is asking you right now to follow Him. There were two thieves that hung on the cross with Jesus, one hurled insults at Him and rejected Him, the other accepted Him while He hung dying on the cross. Which example will you follow? Are you going to reject Him or are you going to accept Him? There are only two options.

 

Wow, this is a little extreme...... (nm)

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 3, 2003, at 7:22:21

In reply to The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

 

Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free

Posted by Dog on December 4, 2003, at 11:17:10

In reply to The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

very eloquently said, i compliment this person...people ask today as Pilate did, "What is truth?", its easy for us believers, because we have Jesus who said "I am the truth." He is the embodiment of truth...
for mental illnesses, i don't think He always heals us of our mental illnesses, although sometimes he does, but the most important thing there is, is to have Jesus with you... its such a simple thing to ask Jesus into your life and to have Him help you... i could not make it without Him nor could I have made it thus far without Him...so many try exclusively to understand totally with their minds they ignore the spiritual aspects of the self...of course the brain is important as is all aspects of our physical parts, and Jesus is concerned about it all... our spirits and our bodies will not be and are not to be separated until we die... somehow Jesus comes in to our spirit with His Spirit when we invite Him to and does His magnificient work... I can't explain it, but He knows whats best because He created us... if we just admit our need for Him and ask Him to come into our heart, He makes everything better...


> I've read many different issues that are posted on this board and most of them are very sad. It's sad to believe that all these people are just rambling on with no evidence to support their convictions. It's sad that people out there flock to listen to these infinite lies and keep feeding the lies. Willing to listen to anything their itching ears want to hear but when the truth is spoken they turn away. Don't be fooled!
>
> There is one God and one Lord, that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Everyone will bow before Christ, either during their life, at their death or when He comes again. There will be no one standing before Him. Not the Pope, Billy Graham or even Hitler, they all will bow down before Christ. Jesus died to give us life. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved...if you do not...then you will not be saved. If you honor any other god besides Jesus, you will not be saved. It is just the way it is. You can't reason your way out of it or think your way out of it. It doesn't matter if you plug your ears and gouge out your eyes...the truth is known. The truth is complied into a book we call the Bible. It is absolute truth; there is nothing that stands against it. Christ is coming again. Be ready. Don't get sidetracked with clever sounding arguments and interesting concepts--Jesus will be revealed before all of us very soon...are you ready? Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes (Israel, Middle East, United Nations, Terrorism, The European Union) this is not made up. We are living in the final days, don’t follow someone’s beliefs because you like it. Follow God because He is who He says He is. He does not lie or conceal the truth. He loves you and me. He gives us hope for eternity through his Son Jesus Christ.
>
> Jesus is asking you right now to follow Him. There were two thieves that hung on the cross with Jesus, one hurled insults at Him and rejected Him, the other accepted Him while He hung dying on the cross. Which example will you follow? Are you going to reject Him or are you going to accept Him? There are only two options.
>

 

Re: please be civil » tire

Posted by Dr. Bob on December 5, 2003, at 2:45:56

In reply to The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

> It's sad to believe that all these people are just rambling on with no evidence to support their convictions. It's sad that people out there flock to listen to these infinite lies and keep feeding the lies. Willing to listen to anything their itching ears want to hear but when the truth is spoken they turn away.

Please don't put others down for having their beliefs. Sorry, but this may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs. Thanks,

Bob

 

I've become a Christian but...

Posted by Tovah on December 5, 2003, at 23:57:13

In reply to The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

...it wasn't arguements like yours that led me to that path.

take it from a fellow Christian - verbiage like yours is more likely to turn people away than it is to attract them to Christianity.

 

Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free » tire

Posted by NikkiT2 on December 6, 2003, at 13:40:47

In reply to The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 2, 2003, at 19:29:18

But.

They are YOUR beliefs. I do not believe the same things as you.

I have as much proof to back up my beliefs as you do. In *my* opinion, I have more.. But that is only because they are what I believe.

My strongest belief though is that every person on the earth is equal. Whether they believe in a Christian God, Buddha, Or Vishnu.

This is just my belief though

Nikki

 

Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you (nm)

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 6, 2003, at 14:40:34

In reply to Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free » tire, posted by NikkiT2 on December 6, 2003, at 13:40:47

 

Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you » Jai Narayan

Posted by NikkiT2 on December 6, 2003, at 15:38:55

In reply to Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you (nm), posted by Jai Narayan on December 6, 2003, at 14:40:34

I don't know if that was aimed at me.. but if so..

Do you think I felt particularly supported by tire's post in MY beliefs??

I think I said that I believe all people are equal, it doesn't matter to me what someone believes, as long as I am respected in what I believe, and they don't spend their time forcing me to change my views. I haven't just come to this decision lightly, and have studied various religions at various times in my life.

I was just trying to point out to tire that just because s/he believes one thing, it doesn't mean that is the right thing, just as what I believe isn't nessesarily the right thing.

Nikki

 

Re: I've become a Christian but To tire

Posted by CC67 on December 6, 2003, at 21:08:59

In reply to I've become a Christian but..., posted by Tovah on December 5, 2003, at 23:57:13

All these people on this board have been given "freewill".
some struggle harder than others with medications,ect..If They do come seeking advise in a genuine manner.If I am able to help them I will.
I would encourage anyone who I have the wisdom to help.Let us be encouraging towards one another,for we all have struggled at one time or another.
I am a "Christian" also I seek daily to grow in grace and peace. I am on medication and have really read through this board,I have learned alot and thank everyone who contributes from their heart. I am no judge by no means,I think "God" has blessed mankind with wisdom to formulate *medicines* that help people .
"May God Bless you with his presence Tire"
please feel free to get with me on another board if you have Questions. I think there is a "faith" or "social" Im not sure if you desire please direct me.

 

Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 7, 2003, at 14:44:31

In reply to Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you » Jai Narayan, posted by NikkiT2 on December 6, 2003, at 15:38:55

> I don't know if that was aimed at me.. but if so..
yes and I want to thank you for being open

> I think I said that I believe all people are equal, it doesn't matter to me what someone believes, as long as I am respected in what I believe, and they don't spend their time forcing me to change my views.

this is why I am thanking you...I not only appreicate but echo your beliefs

>I haven't just come to this decision lightly, and have studied various religions at various times in my life.
>
I too have looked far and wide to find what I can support and believe in
> I was just trying to point out to tire that just because s/he believes one thing, it doesn't mean that is the right thing, just as what I believe isn't nessesarily the right thing.
>
There is not only 'one way' for all of us on this planet. I thinks that's why there are so many paths. I celebrate all the paths.
> Nikki
Jai Narayan

 

Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you » Jai Narayan

Posted by NikkiT2 on December 7, 2003, at 16:21:58

In reply to Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you, posted by Jai Narayan on December 7, 2003, at 14:44:31

Hi Jai,

Thankyou for such a lovely message.

I think I owe you an apology.. I was agressive in my last post to you.. When I read your subject line, I read it hearing sarcasm. I'm don't know why this was, but today I just see kindness.

So thankyou for understanding..

Nikki xx

 

Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free

Posted by tire on December 7, 2003, at 16:53:45

In reply to Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free » tire, posted by NikkiT2 on December 6, 2003, at 13:40:47

Yes, we do have the ability to believe what we want and how we want but that does not make it true. I'm presently typing using a Micronpc computer...that's true. There is One God that is also true. Just because I believe one thing and you believe another doesn't mean we both hold the truth. Truth cannot contradict each other, therefore one is true and one is not. So since we both would argue our belief, who is right? Absolute truth is available to anyone who is ready to deny oneself and embrace the only one true God that is found in Christ Jesus. Like my original post said: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free. If you choose to deny Christ he will give you what you ask when you die. And that is to live a life without him, and you will have just that. The choice is ours to make...this is truth, you cannot argue with truth.

> But.
>
> They are YOUR beliefs. I do not believe the same things as you.
>
> I have as much proof to back up my beliefs as you do. In *my* opinion, I have more.. But that is only because they are what I believe.
>
> My strongest belief though is that every person on the earth is equal. Whether they believe in a Christian God, Buddha, Or Vishnu.
>
> This is just my belief though
>
> Nikki

 

I like your response

Posted by Jai Narayan on December 7, 2003, at 17:34:49

In reply to Re: Nice to support us in our beliefs...thank you » Jai Narayan, posted by NikkiT2 on December 7, 2003, at 16:21:58

> Hi Jai,
>
> Thankyou for such a lovely message.
>
> I think I owe you an apology.. I was agressive in my last post to you.. When I read your subject line, I read it hearing sarcasm.

I can understand that, posting with just words sometimes doesn't translate our best effort to communicate.
> I'm don't know why this was, but today I just see kindness.
>
I try to be kind in my communication. I honor kindness as the greatest gift from one person to another.
> So thankyou for understanding..
you've got it.
Jai Narayan

 

Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free » tire

Posted by NikkiT2 on December 7, 2003, at 17:41:36

In reply to Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 7, 2003, at 16:53:45

But, I believe MY truths that strongly..

What my point was, that just because you hold a certain belief, it does NOT make it true.

You don't need to believe in a truth, as a truth simply is that.. its not to be believed or disbelieved. Its a fact.

Yet religion is a belief, you have said so yourself.

Please do not threaten me with what "might" happen to me, one day, if I follow my path and not yours.

Respectfully

Nikki

 

Re: Blocked for two weeks » tire

Posted by Dinah on December 7, 2003, at 18:57:02

In reply to Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 7, 2003, at 16:53:45

> Truth cannot contradict each other, therefore one is true and one is not. So since we both would argue our belief, who is right? Absolute truth is available to anyone who is ready to deny oneself and embrace the only one true God that is found in Christ Jesus

Hi. Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob. Dr. Bob has warned you previously that posts must be not be unsupportive of the faith of others. Last time you were blocked was for one week, so this time will be for two.

You can, of course, appeal the block to Dr. Bob in email. His email is at the bottom of this page.

Thanks,

Dinah

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.

 

Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free

Posted by recumbent on December 7, 2003, at 19:00:38

In reply to Re: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free, posted by tire on December 7, 2003, at 16:53:45

Might as well jump in. I have a Christian (Baptist) background. Because my religion expects you make a public profession of faith, I did not become a Christion until I was 34. I am 53 now. Over these nearly 20 years I have tried to understand God's PURPOSE more so than His truth. Becoming a Christian means selflessness, submission and thankfulness. It does not mean you will be healed, be happy, be loved, or be avenged. It simply means faith...period. I struggle with the worship and praise aspect of our belief (which denies the worshiper independence and self worth). How do you resolve these things?

> Yes, we do have the ability to believe what we want and how we want but that does not make it true. I'm presently typing using a Micronpc computer...that's true. There is One God that is also true. Just because I believe one thing and you believe another doesn't mean we both hold the truth. Truth cannot contradict each other, therefore one is true and one is not. So since we both would argue our belief, who is right? Absolute truth is available to anyone who is ready to deny oneself and embrace the only one true God that is found in Christ Jesus. Like my original post said: The Truth Hurts...and it sets us free. If you choose to deny Christ he will give you what you ask when you die. And that is to live a life without him, and you will have just that. The choice is ours to make...this is truth, you cannot argue with truth.
>
>
>
> > But.
> >
> > They are YOUR beliefs. I do not believe the same things as you.
> >
> > I have as much proof to back up my beliefs as you do. In *my* opinion, I have more.. But that is only because they are what I believe.

 

Redirected: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by Dr. Bob on December 7, 2003, at 20:22:08

In reply to I've become a Christian but..., posted by Tovah on December 5, 2003, at 23:57:13

Re: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by tire on December 6, 2003, at 12:38:14

In reply to I've become a Christian but..., posted by Tovah on December 5, 2003, at 23:57:13

Yes, I too was brought to Christ not by arguments such as the one which I posted. However, the truth must always be told. If the truth offends even my brothers then what message are we putting our faith in? I will stand firm to my beliefs founded in Christ and Him alone. The Bible is very direct when it comes to worshiping false gods and so should we. The first commandment is "I am the Lord your God, thou shall have no strange gods before me." And many Biblical men have stood before false gods and proclaimed the One and true God. There is not one time in scripture that God tip toes around such a sin, then how can we?

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Truth is fine within the guidelines of this board » tire

Posted by zenhussy on December 6, 2003, at 14:56:01

In reply to Re: I've become a Christian but..., posted by tire on December 6, 2003, at 12:38:14

tire,

I respect your beliefs but I must bring to your attention the RULES of this board upon which you are posting:

~~~~~
The idea here is support, so please don't pressure others to adopt your beliefs or put them down for having theirs. Sorry, but this may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs. In particular, agnostic and atheistic views are now considered not to be supportive of religious faith. Since these issues first came up(http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20010718/msgs/1854.html), there's been discussion of possible exceptions9http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7871.html) and specific examples(http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7889.html), and these guidelines may still be in a state of some flux. It's a challenge to foster this kind of discussion.
~~~~~

If you choose to stand firm in your beliefs founded in Christ and to him alone then it seems that doesn't jibe with the rules set forth above. No one is putting down your beliefs. This board only asks you have the same respect for others which "may mean not posting some aspects of some beliefs."

I'm not discouraging you. I think it is wonderful you have a strong faith and believe so firmly in truth *as you understand it*. I would like for you to remain and discuss whatever it is that you need to here but to do so under the above guidelines that one agrees to when they register to post on Psycho-Babble et al.

Good luck.

zenhussy

> Yes, I too was brought to Christ not by arguments such as the one which I posted. However, the truth must always be told. If the truth offends even my brothers then what message are we putting our faith in? I will stand firm to my beliefs founded in Christ and Him alone. The Bible is very direct when it comes to worshiping false gods and so should we. The first commandment is "I am the Lord your God, thou shall have no strange gods before me." And many Biblical men have stood before false gods and proclaimed the One and true God. There is not one time in scripture that God tip toes around such a sin, then how can we?

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Re: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by Recumbent on December 6, 2003, at 14:14:28

In reply to Re: I've become a Christian but..., posted by tire on December 6, 2003, at 12:38:14

Might as well jump in. I have a Christian (Baptist) background. Because my religion expects you make a public profession of faith, I did not become a Christion until I was 34. I am 53 now. Over these nearly 20 years I have tried to understand God's PURPOSE more so than His truth. Becoming a Christian means selflessness, submission and thankfulness. It does not mean you will be healed, have a happy life or be loved. It simply means faith...period.

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This probably belongs on Faith Board? (nm)

Posted by KellyD on December 6, 2003, at 16:01:06

In reply to Re: I've become a Christian but..., posted by Recumbent on December 6, 2003, at 14:14:28

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Probably????????? (nm)

Posted by JonW on December 7, 2003, at 8:19:56

In reply to This probably belongs on Faith Board? (nm), posted by KellyD on December 6, 2003, at 16:01:06

 

Re: Redirected: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by Tovah on December 9, 2003, at 19:16:26

In reply to Redirected: I've become a Christian but..., posted by Dr. Bob on December 7, 2003, at 20:22:08

This is something I hear a lot among certain Christians...that if someone doesn't have a certain mental understanding of the Christian belief system, that they are actively "choosing" to go to hell.

So Ghandi "made a choice" to burn in hell? Anne Frank? Mother Teresa (if you feel she went to hell because she was not a born-again fundamentalist?) How is not realizing, understanding or comprehending something akin to "choosing" to go to eternal hellfire?

 

Re: Redirected: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2003, at 12:29:50

In reply to Re: Redirected: I've become a Christian but..., posted by Tovah on December 9, 2003, at 19:16:26

I have a perfectly good mental understanding of Christianity thankyou. I just simply don't believe in God. *shrugs*

Its not due to ignorance. Infcat, I have studied and read the bible.. I am even confirmed in the Christian Church (Church of England) neither of my parents were church goers, and this was something I chose to do for myself as a teenager.

And I doubt, as an example, Ghandi believed what he did through a lack of comprehension.

Us non-christians can be just as intelligent and informed as christians you know.

How about if I worded it this way..

"Non-Buddhists are simply that way due to ignorance about Buddhism"

I'm not saying I believe that statement, but can you now see how your comments might be viewed by non-Christians??

Nikki

 

Re: Redirected: I've become a Christian but...

Posted by Tovah on December 10, 2003, at 21:38:47

In reply to Re: Redirected: I've become a Christian but..., posted by NikkiT2 on December 10, 2003, at 12:29:50

You've totally misread my intention.

I am a Christian but am extremely involved in interfaith activity and tolerance and even co-wrote a book on the subject. The point that I am making is in response to people who are Chrisitan who believe that anyone who is not Christian is "choosing" to go to hell. I do not believe that. You are preaching to the choir here.


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