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Re: The 6th Gate-part 2 Lou Pilder

Posted by Cam W. on September 23, 2002, at 2:05:39

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2002, at 21:57:39

Lou - Although you may want people to believe that you are delusional, but I really don't think that you are. The majority delusional beliefs I have heard clinically are usually far more convincing and logical (pseudo-logical?) than the tale that you are spinning here.

There is something inside of me that says you honestly don't actually believe that the story that you are telling is based on any manner of objective reality. I could be wrong, but I really don't think that you wholeheartedly believe the "7 Gates To Eternal Biss" tale that you are weaving, either.

The story's body actually makes for strained reading, which can discourage listeners (as well as those who want to believe). To me it seems that the plot and story are being made up on the spot (ie.improvised), as you are typing. I have noticed that you have been using subtle cues gleaned from other posters to garner support for what is essentially an underdeveloped storyline.

Could it be that when you came here and you boasted about knowing shortcuts to enlightenment, self-actualization, and having an "in" to be able spend eternity with your invisible master? And could it be that now, in order to save face you must try to maintain this charade.

Just to let you know, none of us here will think any less of you if you stop your story (at least until you have had a chance to think through the story, correcting the inconsistencies and flaws in logic that are glaringly obvious). Furthermore, you could take a creative writing course or two, so that you would be better able to lay out your thoughts in a concise and coherent manner.

If you are planning to do anything with your theory, the above is just a start. Also, to be truly convincing and effective, one has to sincerely believe in all aspects of the story. Better yet, rather than just relying on faith, you should see if you could come up with a hypothesis as to how some aspect of your theory operates. Then you just have to design an elegant experiment. The experiment must be designed so that other groups following your procedures and methods will arrive at the same conclusions as you profess.

Good luck with your mission ..... oh, and don't bother saving me a seat in your heaven. I ain't coming. Being a WASP by birth, I guess my culturally determined heaven would be filled with "Happy Christians" galavanting in bug-free fields, playing games like "Whose Got The Button", "I've Got a Secret, But Not From Jesus", "Name That Disciple" and the ever popular "Crusader and Moors".

To me, this heaven would be much worse than a certain Muslim sect's version of hell (eg. all that you have to drink for eternity is boiling water and pus). Hell, I ate my own cooking for a few years, and found that anything can become an acquired taste.

I do have one question that has been bothering me for several years now, and perhaps you would be able to enlighten me with your knowledge. Why is it that an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent essence (?being?, ?non-being?, ?old man on a throne in the clouds?) would want lesser being to worship it. I would think that an all powerful being would be far more self-actualized than that.

And when this thing decides to show himself to us mere mortals, he makes statues and paintings weep, and makes stone cows drink milk. If you ask me, that pretty pathetic. Why not do that "wine and bread" thing again, and feed all of the starving children in the world. That might impress me, but I doubt that even that. Besides, most the people who I know who think that they will get to heaven when they die, are people I really do not want to spend an eternity with (and quite possibly they would not want to spend eternity with me).

I have lived a good life; I have contributed, in my small way, to help people maintain their health, and I think the world is a teeny tiny bit better off than it would have been without me. But, living a good life is not enough. Hypothetically, I could save the world from a major terrorist attack in which millions of innocent lives would have been lost; but I would not go to heaven because I did not take the lord jesus into my heart ......
...... What a crock of crap!!!!!

- Cam

DEFINITIONS:
omniscient: infinitely wise and all knowing.
omnipotent: has unlimited authority.
omnipresent: ubiquitous, is everywhere.

 

Re: blocked for 2 weeks Cam W.

Posted by Dr. Bob on September 23, 2002, at 15:26:27

In reply to Re: The 6th Gate-part 2 Lou Pilder, posted by Cam W. on September 23, 2002, at 2:05:39

> ...... What a crock of crap!!!!!

Please be sensitive to the feelings -- and faiths -- of others. Different points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged, but please don't be sarcastic, jump to conclusions about others or their experiences, or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. The last time you were blocked it was for 1 week, so this time I'm making it for 2.

Bob

PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.

 

The 6th Gate-part 3

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 16:32:01

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 22, 2002, at 21:57:39

Friends,
Then a group of police cars with sirens and flashing lights approached us. The sheriff and his deputys told us to stay still . He said, " There is a body of an unknown man that died in the circus fire missing from the morgue back up the road. We have a witness that says that she saw a man that had TRIUMPH written on the back of his shirt leaving the hospital durring that time."
"That is me", I said. The sheriff said, "Put your hands up" and he patted me down.
Lou

 

The 6th Gate-part 4

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 16:42:23

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 16:32:01

Friends,
Then the sheriff said to me, "Are you some type of political person trying to state a message?
Then Eleazer said, "I am the one that was dead and now I am alive." The sheriff then said, "Don't get smart with me. And I guess one of you is going to tell me ,next, that you are from Nazareth."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate-part 5

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 17:23:49

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 4, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 16:42:23

Friends,
The sheriff's name badge said "sheriff Lee". He then went over to the Rider and said, "We have reports from people describing a man like you that has cured psychotic people in the towns back on the road. Now we think that you gave them drugs. Let me see your driver's license."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate-part 6

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 17:31:21

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 5, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 17:23:49

Friends,
Sheriff Lee was holding the liscense and said, "Is this your address now, Salem?"
The Rider said, "Yes, we are on our way to my Father's house there."
Then sheriff Lee said, " Your going to have a difficult time getting to Salem. The bridge over the great gulf collapsed durring the earthquake and a 150 foot span is missing and no one can passover it. Also, there are forest fires out of controll and no one can put them out. And by the way, why is there no birthdate on this license?"
Lou

 

The 6th Gate-part 7

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 20:14:13

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 6, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 17:31:21

Friends,
Then we heard the sound of sirens and there were flashing lights. A man in full parade regailia approached us. His name badge read, "Chief Morganstern."
The Chief said to sheriff Lee, "Are you going to arrest these people?" Sheriff Lee said, "I think I will just show them out of town and the way to Salem. After all, if he says that they will triumph, then that would also mean that they will overcome."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate-part 8: the Kingdom of God

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:06:10

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 7, posted by Lou Pilder on September 23, 2002, at 20:14:13

Friends,
Night came and we stopped. Nick said to the Rider, " What do you mean that the Kingdom of God is "at hand?"
The Rider said,"The Kingdom of God is within you. It is not something that you can observe. It is peace and joy in you and you have the keys to the Gate that will open so that the Kingdom of God will be within you."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 2

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:16:20

In reply to The 6th Gate-part 8: the Kingdom of God, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:06:10

Friends,
Then Nick said to the Rider, "We know that you have been sent by God, for no one could do these things that you do unless God is with him."
The Rider said to us, "In order for the Kingdom of God to be within you, so that it is seen by you, you must be born again."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 3

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:25:09

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:16:20

Friends,
Nick said to the Rider, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
The Rider answred,"The reality that I am saying to you is that unless one is born of the water of the Word of God and The Spirit of God, he can not enter The Kingdom of God."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 4

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:39:26

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:25:09

Friends,
Then the Rider said to us, "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'You know of the effects of the wind and you can not see the wind and you can not tell where it comes from and where it goes. It is the same with the Spirit. And you will know the effects of people born of the Spirit just as you see the effects of the wind."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 5

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:51:29

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 4, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:39:26

Friends,
Nick said , "How can these things be?" The Rider answered and said, "With your background you do not know these things? I tell you this,if you do not beleive the things that you saw back at the morgue and the psychotic girl that was healed here on earth, how will you beleive if I tell you heavenly things? I have ascended to heaven and decended from heaven and I am in heaven now."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 6

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:57:58

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 5, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:51:29

Friends,
The Rider said to us, " Just as you were taught that Moses lifted up a pole in the wilderness that had a snake on it and the people that looked at it were healed, so must there be another lifted up so that those that focus on that one will be healed and can receive the Kingdom of God."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 7

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:07:36

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 6, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 10:57:58

Friends,
Then the Rider said to us, "For God so loved the world, that He gave away His greatest love to be lifted up on a pole so that whosoever beleives in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 8

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:15:31

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 7, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:07:36

Friends,
Then the Rider said to us, " Light has come into the world. And some men have loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. But he who does the truth comes to the light and his deed will be clarly seen for they have been done in God."
Lou

 

The Kingdom of God-part 9:The 6th Gate

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:33:51

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 8, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:15:31

Friends,
The next day we came to the 6th Gate on he Road to the Crown of Life. We stopped and the Rider said to us, "This is the Gate that you enter so that the Kingdom of God will be within you. You have the keys to this Gate."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate- The Kingdom-part 2

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:41:32

In reply to The Kingdom of God-part 9:The 6th Gate, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:33:51

Friends,
I looked up at the top of the Gate and it was written, "Prayer Shall Set You Free"
The Rider said," Pray and the Gate will open."
I said, "What prayer?" The Rider said, "If you would have the Kingdom of God within you, then you can have it happen because it is the Father's will that all men be drawn to Him and that none should perish."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate- The Kingdom-part 3-the Prayer

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:49:32

In reply to The 6th Gate- The Kingdom-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:41:32

Friends,
The Rider said, "You have the keys in the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatever is in Heaven My Father wants you to have here on earth also.And there is no depression or addiction in Heaven And it is My Father's will that The Kingdom of God dwell in you. So the prayer that I want you to pray is this:
"Father, your Kingdom come and your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate opens-the fork in the road

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 8:14:38

In reply to The 6th Gate- The Kingdom-part 3-the Prayer, posted by Lou Pilder on September 24, 2002, at 11:49:32

Frends,
The 6th Gate opened and there was a fork in he road. One sign said "Back to the world" and the other sign said "To the City of Peace".
The Rider said, "The Kingdom of God is not of this world. For all that is in the world-the lust of the flesh-the lust of the eyes-the pride of life- is not of the Father. You are in the world, but be not of it. In the world you will have tribulation, but whosoever is born of God overcomes the world."
Lou

 

The 6th Gate opens-the fork in th road-Sheriff Lee

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:13:48

In reply to The 6th Gate opens-the fork in the road, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 8:14:38

Friends,
As we stopped, there was a car comming to a quick halt. Out came Sheriff Lee and approached the Rider. Sheriff Lee said, " I have your driver's license and I am off duty now and I thought that I would go your way and return it. And I thought about your claim that one of you was raised from the dead."
Lou

 

Sheriff Lee-part 2

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:20:47

In reply to The 6th Gate opens-the fork in th road-Sheriff Lee, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:13:48

Friends,
Sheriff Lee continued, "You know, we can't find any record of the unidentified body and a doctor there named Pearlman denies that anyone ever was there. I believe that someone could be raised from the dead and that you are all telling the truth."
Lou

 

Re: Sheriff Lee-part 3

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:27:58

In reply to Sheriff Lee-part 2, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:20:47

Friends,
Then Sheriff Lee said o the Rider, " I believe that the psychotic people that were healed back up the road were healed without them taking drugs. We asked one who it was that healed them and he said it was you. The department wants to arrest you for they say it is unlawfull to heal without a license."
Lou

 

Sheriff Lee-part 4-The Rider answers

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:38:03

In reply to Re: Sheriff Lee-part 3, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:27:58

Friends,
The Rider said to Sherif Lee, "Which one of you in the police department shall have one of you get shot while responding to a bank robbery and not go to that officer's aid and try to stop the bleeding and save his life? Is it unlawfull to do good?"
Lou

 

The decsion for The Kingdom of God

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2002, at 11:39:49

In reply to Sheriff Lee-part 4-The Rider answers, posted by Lou Pilder on September 25, 2002, at 20:38:03

Friends,
Sheriff Lee left and we were at the fork in the Road. The Rider was confronted by those in our group that wanted to take the road to go back to the world. One said that they were not sure about going on the Road that led to Salem and had work to finish back in the world. The Rider said to us, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the Kingdom of God."
Lou

 

The decsion for The Kingdom of God-part2

Posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2002, at 11:48:37

In reply to The decsion for The Kingdom of God, posted by Lou Pilder on September 26, 2002, at 11:39:49

Friends,
The Rider's statement struck fear into some of us. Then the Rider said, "Fear not, little flock, for it is you Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom. The world has it's treasures that will pass away, but in the Kingdom of God there ae heavenly treasures that last forever. Take the Road of your choice, for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
Lou


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