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Re: NAD+ Does anyone take this to prevent aging?

Posted by Hugh on August 9, 2017, at 11:40:44

In reply to Re: NAD+ Does anyone take this to prevent aging?, posted by SLS on August 8, 2017, at 7:54:46

Interesting article about NAD+

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2014/11/the-youth-restoring-benefits-of-nad/page-01

 

Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by SLS on August 11, 2017, at 23:05:50

In reply to Re: NAD+ Does anyone take this to prevent aging?, posted by Hugh on August 9, 2017, at 11:40:44

A type of vitamin B3 called nicotinamide riboside (NR) increases levels of NAD+.


- Scott

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by sigismund on August 15, 2017, at 21:57:54

In reply to Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by SLS on August 11, 2017, at 23:05:50

test

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by sigismund on August 15, 2017, at 22:05:11

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 15, 2017, at 21:57:54

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/2016/07/what-is-nad/

The podcast was interesting. I listened to it. Lasts an hour.

Fibro, CFS, addictions (opiates, alcohol, benzos), just being f*ck*d. All the incurable things.

If any of it is true there must be people here who could benefit.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2017, at 17:23:36

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 15, 2017, at 22:05:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNbouqPGy-E

general info

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on August 19, 2017, at 3:06:52

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2017, at 17:23:36

Hi sigi, I'm curious. Are you taking this?

https://www.elysiumhealth.com/basis

nice to see you!

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2

Posted by sigismund on August 19, 2017, at 14:54:30

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 19, 2017, at 3:06:52

G'day FB, nice to see you too.

I am taking the Revgenetics NMN. The link is in Hugh's post. From what I heard the relationship between nicotinic acid, nicotinamide, NR and NMN is not linear and simple, not to speak of NAD+ and NADH (which I took once long ago). I'm not sure what sense taking that made.

It (NMN) works right away, which is to say I could feel it, a calm feeling of having just some energy, which for me amounted to feeling less depressed. I hope it can do more over time. I have been knocked about by various medical procedures.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by sigismund on August 20, 2017, at 0:32:50

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2, posted by sigismund on August 19, 2017, at 14:54:30

http://www.nadtreatmentcenter.com/about-us/

It is hard to believe about the methadone withdrawal or any of them really. Methadone withdrawal is in a class of its own.

Dr Milligram was addicted to opiates himself and once over it with the help of the NAD+ drip resolved to help others.

Yeah, I dunno.......

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on August 24, 2017, at 14:37:56

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 20, 2017, at 0:32:50

Maybe it helps the withdrawal. I don't think anything exists quite like opiates, so I imagine they're difficult to replace. I would have liked NAD+ infusions while going through xanax detox, or maybe afterwards. That process really shattered me. When under stress, I sometimes imagine the relief it brought me. Once exposed to it, my body, I don't think, will completely forget, the way, I wonder a mind exposed to racial slurs never forgets their charge.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on August 24, 2017, at 14:48:56

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2, posted by sigismund on August 19, 2017, at 14:54:30

Sigi, sorry you've felt knocked about :( May I ask, why are you calling this NMN http://tinyurl.com/potentiator ? Maybe this isn't the product.

There is one on amazon with 300 mgs, but not with the other ingredients. I'll likely go with Life Extension.

I'd need to read about this, but what do you, or anyone here, think about a half dose for a teen?

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2

Posted by sigismund on August 24, 2017, at 22:23:29

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 24, 2017, at 14:48:56

The tinyurl link would not open, so I don't know what is there.

NMN is nicotinamide mononucleatide. Another further down the line precurser is nicotinamide riboside (in Elysium, no?) I don't know how NMN compares with NR. I like NMN myself.

It is said that people over 60 are often quite low in NAD+, so they might benefit most. But most of those people in the links for the San Diego clinic were young, and the relief they were given was extraordinary. But that was the NAD+ drip, which is is surely a stronger effect.

Did you see this? http://revgenetics.com

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2017, at 11:29:42

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2, posted by sigismund on August 24, 2017, at 22:23:29

This is probably a no-go for people with schizophrenia right?

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? Lamdage22

Posted by beckett2 on August 26, 2017, at 19:50:35

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2017, at 11:29:42

I'm not sure why it would be contraindicated. I would think it could be very helpful.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on August 26, 2017, at 20:01:32

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2, posted by sigismund on August 24, 2017, at 22:23:29

"Only the super-rich will reap the true rewards of the new technologies, commandeering evolution with intelligent design, editing their genomes and eventually merging with machines. Mr Harari envisages an elite caste of Homo sapiens evolving into something unrecognisable: Homo deus. In this brave new world, the rest of mankind will be left feeling like a Neanderthal hunter in Wall Street.

Have you seen this book? http://tinyurl.com/yctf97cr

Here's a brief review. Let's see if these links open.
http://tinyurl.com/y9rxolr3

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by sigismund on August 26, 2017, at 21:14:39

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 26, 2017, at 20:01:32

>Homo deus

Oh yes. The utopians .......... what can you say? may be overtaken by events? and 4 and a half stars from so many people? Just as well we have the luxury of having so few problems and such an informed and cohesive public. Liberal democracy? That was Roosevelt and Eisenhower? It's very sad.

On the schizophrenia front......I see one of the videos in the San Diego clinic was about the use of NAD+ for depersonalisation (or something similar). That makes sense.

My experience of NMN is that it is not a stimulant....it feels just as calming as stimulating. I just feel better. No doubt you can take too much and make things worse. Some of the drugs for these conditions may lower NAD+ levels, in which case NMN may make sense.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by SLS on August 27, 2017, at 15:35:27

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2017, at 21:14:39

I'm not really interested in NAD+ and NMN as modulators of mood and anxiety. I'm mostly interested in the ability of NAD+ to arrest the shortening of telomeres and reverse the process to lengthen them again. There are some researchers who suggest that doing this will extend the viability of cells upon division and prevent aging. Lithium can do this, too.

My question is whether or not the megadosing of B3 niacin would increase NAD+.


- Scott

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? SLS

Posted by sigismund on August 27, 2017, at 23:43:15

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by SLS on August 27, 2017, at 15:35:27

>My question is whether or not the megadosing of B3 niacin would increase NAD+.

idk but from what I have read nicotinic acid would (but how much?) and niacinamide would not.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by SLS on August 28, 2017, at 5:44:31

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? SLS, posted by sigismund on August 27, 2017, at 23:43:15

> >My question is whether or not the megadosing of B3 niacin would increase NAD+.
>
> idk but from what I have read nicotinic acid would (but how much?) and niacinamide would not.

Thanks. That helps a lot.

I hope all is well with you. I am not in a good place, but not in a bad place either. I am hoping to feel better when I figure out what the best dosage of prazosin is.


- Scott

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:04:20

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? Lamdage22, posted by beckett2 on August 26, 2017, at 19:50:35

> I'm not sure why it would be contraindicated. I would think it could be very helpful.

Isnt it supposed to be dopaminergic?

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:08:11

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:04:20

Basically i dont want to go away from nature. 20g of Inositol for example is not natural, so i wont do it.

As far as supplements go i only take essential stuff in the quantity that is needed to get a healthy blood level. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:08:53

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:08:11

Im still on these meds but i am looking to change that. Slowly.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? Lamdage22

Posted by beckett2 on August 29, 2017, at 16:08:22

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:04:20

> > I'm not sure why it would be contraindicated. I would think it could be very helpful.
>
> Isnt it supposed to be dopaminergic?

I don't know the answer to that one. My interest was in telomeric repair.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund

Posted by beckett2 on August 29, 2017, at 16:10:28

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by sigismund on August 26, 2017, at 21:14:39

> >Homo deus
>
> Oh yes. The utopians .......... what can you say? may be overtaken by events? and 4 and a half stars from so many people? Just as well we have the luxury of having so few problems and such an informed and cohesive public. Liberal democracy? That was Roosevelt and Eisenhower? It's very sad.
>

Heartbroken here.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? beckett2

Posted by sigismund on August 30, 2017, at 2:10:38

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? sigismund, posted by beckett2 on August 29, 2017, at 16:10:28

There was a politician here who said 'If you walk around with a smile on your face you haven't been paying attention', which is similar to something Heather Heyett's (sp?) mother or father said.

I know exactly what you mean. I am frightened (for my descendants).......but there you go....anyway I won't be around for that much longer really. But things can turn on a dime, either way.

 

Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+? Lamdage22

Posted by sigismund on August 30, 2017, at 2:11:47

In reply to Re: Is vitamin B3 an effective alternative to NAD+?, posted by Lamdage22 on August 29, 2017, at 12:04:20

FWIW it does not feel dopaminergic to me.


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