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Niacinamide for SA + Depression

Posted by Escapee on September 4, 2016, at 16:21:21

Hi all.
I'm planning on giving mega-dose B3 a go. I plan on buying bulk powder form niacinamide. You can see from my signature I am on 45mg Nardil plus a host of other meds. I really want to get rid of the clonazepam for good. So far I have managed to half my dose by using pregabalin. I may not even need it once I get going properly on Nardil, which incidentally has just started to work at 45mg.
I have read that B3 is good for depression and especially anxiety, social anxiety included. But 1st, could it interact with any of the meds I currently take? Anybody know of any interactions or calculate the possibility of interactions? Also, what dose to start with and how to increase? Or can I take it as-needed? All comments welcome.

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 6, 2016, at 10:09:09

In reply to Niacinamide for SA + Depression, posted by Escapee on September 4, 2016, at 16:21:21

I take 3-6 grams/niacinamide per day. I take mine as 1.5 gram time release tablets, 2 in the AM, 2 again later if I can remember.

I don't know about drug interactions. The Orthomolecular people say you need at least as much vitamin C as B3. I take 20 grams/C per day (again, 2 doses of time release), plus a b-100 complex, and I haven't had any problems.

I've skimmed some stuff from Hoffer, and I think the starting dose (using not time release tabs) is 500mgs per meal, up to 3 grams, then beyond that is usually for psychotic disorders.

I like niacinamide. I think its helped, and I think I also get more mileage out of the lil cocktail I take because of it. I'm definitely calmer.

Niacinamide can potentiate BZD drugs. I dunno about lyrica. I think it can do the same with anticonvulsants, but I dunno specifics.


I'm glad you're thinking about niacinamide. I'm kind of a true believer in Orthomolecular now, because its helped bring about a wonderful recovery for me (and, it seems, others as well).

Good luck, and please keep us all posted.

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 6, 2016, at 11:28:25

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression, posted by Christ_empowered on September 6, 2016, at 10:09:09

Thanks for your input Christ_empowered!
Years ago I read a book co-written by Patrick Holford & Carl C. Pfeiffer called Mental Health/Mental Illness. Indeed it told how Pfeiffer & Hoffer worked together and treated many patients using mega-doses of micro-nutrients. Orthomolecular science, as you say. It was all very interesting and despite the fact that I wanted to try these approaches I never did. No internet at home and being disabled by SA didn't help. But now I have the resources I need to try it out.
I was looking just yesterday at where I could get hold of mega-dose supplements. I did come across time-release niacinamide (aka nicotinamide) then found a page detailing one user having ill effects from too much time-release niacinamide. Liver toxicity, tho it could have been for a number of reasons. I think it had something to do with one particular supplier anyway. So I will use the powder form just to be safe. I found a good place to buy the powder (of most micro-nutrients) Its much cheaper too! I wont mention the company, but I will babblemail the name of the website to anyone who asks.
I'm glad you mentioned Vit C. I already planned on buying powder form C for larger doses. So you think I should at least match the doses of the 2? I also found a page stating that the effective dose range for vitamin C is much larger than for niacin. That would make sense, as if I matched 500mg of niacin with 500mg vitamin C, thats not much vitamin C!
Also, if each nutrient has it's own benefits, would it be best to find the right niacin dosage before I add the vitamin C?
I dont mind if the niacin (at large doses) potentiates the clonazepam, unless it has something to do with the liver enzyme system. Do you have any idea on that?
Finally (for now) have you tried taking niacin as-needed, before an anxiety provoking situation? And did it help?
The Nardil is definitely starting to help, my mood is a lot better. But I went into town today. Very busy and I was still very nervous, though I did find it easier to hide the symptoms.

Thanks for anything else you, or anyone else can add.

Escapee

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 6, 2016, at 17:26:35

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered, posted by Escapee on September 6, 2016, at 11:28:25

hi. me again.

I think niacinamide potentiates BZD tranquilizers and some anticonvulsants because of its actions at GABA receptors. Niacinamide can help ease people off of BZD drugs during tapers.

Vitamin C is an awesome nutrient. I take 2 doses of 10 grams each, time release tablet form. I think the large Vitamin C doses also help reduce anxiety and agitation for me. From what I understand...high dose vitamin C works on dopamine receptors and can make AP/AAP drugs work better (important for me), while niacinamide works at GABA receptors and does something beneficial with serotonin, tryptophan, melatonin levels, etc. Sooo...for me, the high dose C potentiates the neuroleptic (for me, Abilify) while the B3 is acting sort of like a BZD would (but w/o adverse effects), plus it probably potentiates my lamictal and/or Trileptal.

The problem with vitamin C, especially instant release, is keeping a steady flow going and getting adjusted to higher doses. I imagine the orthomolecular people have info online about how to ramp up your dosage gradually and avoid adverse effects (mostly gastrointestinal). I use 2 doses of time release to get a more or less steady stream of C going with 2 doses, instead of 4+ with instant release or powders.

Personally...I'd start the C and B3 together. The Hoffer stuff I read said that the combo reduces the risk of liver enzyme elevation, jaundice, etc., plus its...good for you, it seems. I'd recommend you throw in a b-50 or b-100, too, but that's me. The Orthomolecular people think that if you high dose your B3, you should probably supplement your other B complex vitamins, as well.

Since I"m on a neuroleptic, I also take high dose natural form E with mixed tocopherols (1,000 IU per day, with a high fat meal). This is important for those of us on the AP/AAP drugs to reduce the risk of TD. Anybody can benefit from E, though, so maybe consider adding that, too (?).

I don't take the B3 as needed. When I do take more than I usually do, I experience a calming effect. My wild *ss guess is that the extra B3 works because I've been on the baseline dosage B3 for so long. I don't think it would work if I only took the B3 PRN.

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 6, 2016, at 18:57:02

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression, posted by Christ_empowered on September 6, 2016, at 17:26:35

> I think niacinamide potentiates BZD tranquilizers and some anticonvulsants because of its actions at GABA receptors. Niacinamide can help ease people off of BZD drugs during tapers.
>
> Vitamin C is an awesome nutrient. I take 2 doses of 10 grams each, time release tablet form. I think the large Vitamin C doses also help reduce anxiety and agitation for me. From what I understand...high dose vitamin C works on dopamine receptors and can make AP/AAP drugs work better (important for me), while niacinamide works at GABA receptors and does something beneficial with serotonin, tryptophan, melatonin levels, etc. Sooo...for me, the high dose C potentiates the neuroleptic (for me, Abilify) while the B3 is acting sort of like a BZD would (but w/o adverse effects), plus it probably potentiates my lamictal and/or Trileptal.
>
> The problem with vitamin C, especially instant release, is keeping a steady flow going and getting adjusted to higher doses. I imagine the orthomolecular people have info online about how to ramp up your dosage gradually and avoid adverse effects (mostly gastrointestinal). I use 2 doses of time release to get a more or less steady stream of C going with 2 doses, instead of 4+ with instant release or powders.
>
> Personally...I'd start the C and B3 together. The Hoffer stuff I read said that the combo reduces the risk of liver enzyme elevation, jaundice, etc., plus its...good for you, it seems. I'd recommend you throw in a b-50 or b-100, too, but that's me. The Orthomolecular people think that if you high dose your B3, you should probably supplement your other B complex vitamins, as well.
>
> Since I"m on a neuroleptic, I also take high dose natural form E with mixed tocopherols (1,000 IU per day, with a high fat meal). This is important for those of us on the AP/AAP drugs to reduce the risk of TD. Anybody can benefit from E, though, so maybe consider adding that, too (?).
>
> I don't take the B3 as needed. When I do take more than I usually do, I experience a calming effect. My wild *ss guess is that the extra B3 works because I've been on the baseline dosage B3 for so long. I don't think it would work if I only took the B3 PRN.
>
>

Hi and thanks again!

I do actually take a fair few supplements. Vit E 800iu, vit D 2500iu, 2 different multis (one is aimed at hair and skin) and together my B vits are optimal and especially the minerals which are all highly absorbable forms (amino chelated, citrates, gluconates etc). Plus extra chromium (600mcg total), zinc (45mg total), B1 (135mg total), biotin (1.3mg total) & 300mg magnesium citrate & also a B formula containing 17mg B6 as P-5-P (important when taking Nardil), 1mg B12 as methylcobalamine & 400mcg Folate as L-5-methyltetrahydrofolate. The enzyme activated forms.

What I plan on doing with the vit C is continue my 3g of timed release whilst adding the higher powder doses on top. Might keep the blood levels bit more even than powder alone.

And if it seems like I take too many different supplements, well you simply cannot fit all the nutrients you need or want into a few pills.

I take other supplements too like EAAs, Saw Palmetto, omega 3 & 6 EFAs and other things. Thankfully I have a large calendar pill organizer which can hold the majority of the supps & meds for a week. And I have a few herbs on stand-by, ready for battle against Nardil induced urine retention and impotence!

Finally 2 protein shakes each day as recently I've lost my appetite big-time!

Oh, I also have type 1 diabetes which is why I take high doses of certain supps like B1 and chromium. Hmm, isn't B3 part of GTF?

Funny how sometimes you get a 'speedy' effect from ADs before the mood lift kicks in. Touch wood.

Escapee

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Escapee

Posted by Escapee on September 7, 2016, at 8:46:15

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered, posted by Escapee on September 6, 2016, at 18:57:02

I was shocked to discover that Carl Pfeiffer was a pioneer in using LSD for mind control in humans! Especially as he later became a pioneer in Orthomolecular science! Bizarre.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Pfeiffer_(pharmacologist)

Unless Wiki is wrong.

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 7, 2016, at 11:17:36

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Escapee, posted by Escapee on September 7, 2016, at 8:46:15

I get the impression a lot of shrinks were doing stuff like that at the time. Not that its acceptable, but...it was the times, I suppose.

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:37:40

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression, posted by Christ_empowered on September 7, 2016, at 11:17:36

> I get the impression a lot of shrinks were doing stuff like that at the time. Not that its acceptable, but...it was the times, I suppose.

Indeed! Even Einstein was behind the 1st atom bomb with his equations.

 

Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:42:25

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression Christ_empowered, posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:37:40

Ok. So I have now received both my vitamin C and niacinamide powders. Just need help / suggestions on what dosages to begin with, and how quickly to increase them.

Thanks

Escapee

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:53:33

In reply to Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:42:25

> Ok. So I have now received both my vitamin C and niacinamide powders. Just need help / suggestions on what dosages to begin with, and how quickly to increase them.

Oh and also, any significant interactions with either my meds (some of which have already been stated) and also competition between other nutrients for absorption. I'm guessing I am to take them on an empty stomach? I do take plenty of other B vits, at least what you would find in a B50 complex.

Thanks

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee

Posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 16:45:02

In reply to Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:42:25

> Ok. So I have now received both my vitamin C and niacinamide powders. Just need help / suggestions on what dosages to begin with, and how quickly to increase them.
>
> Thanks
>
> Escapee

Hi.

I can't help you out with your question. However, I am curious if you can tolerate higher dosages of Nardil.


- Scott

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? SLS

Posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 19:47:52

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee, posted by SLS on September 13, 2016, at 16:45:02

> I can't help you out with your question. However, I am curious if you can tolerate higher dosages of Nardil.
>
>
> - Scott

I'm afraid its out of my hands. I want to go too 60 but that is not what my doc prescribed. I'm sure he is aware I will need more but right now he wants to take things slowly. And from the side effects I received last time on Nardil, 12-13yrs ago I'm happy to agree with him.

Last time I rushed to 60mg. Felt fantastic BUT I had postural hypotension so bad that most of my vision was full of stars whilst standing and even walking around. Kinda dangerous!
And the worst of all is that I developed severe urine retention. I had to wear a catheter for about 5-6 weeks. Of course most side effects, including those mentioned disappeared in time. Same with the impotence.

Before I even switched back to Nardil from Marplan I re-started Saw Palmetto (which helped in the past with Marplan induced urine retention) and I am also taking natural diuretics to keep the water works running. Nettle leaf extract and potassium phosphate. So its not as bad as you appear to suggest.

I am already more motivated, can talk in groups and even began going to the gym again since last night! (last time I went was 3yrs ago). And I went by myself.

Dont disregard the amitriptyline and bupropion I'm taking either! On the second week when I upped to 30mg Nardil the bupropion was too much. I could 'feel' my pulse right through me when I sat, I had neck strain and a few tics, and basically I felt 'strung out'. I had to stop the morning dose for a while. Within the last week, even though I'm now on 45mg I have added back in the morning bupropion dose without any problems.

The lower the 'effective' dose the better IMHO. Gives me a lot more leeway for when I need to increase the dose in the future, which will be inevitable.

I'm sure my doc will up it to 60mg next time I see him which is on the 11th October.

In the mean time I'm simply getting on with things. The things I've been procrastinating over for so long.

Your words actually concern me a bit. You are 'curios' if I can tolerate a higher dose of Nardil? Why, am I doing badly? I'm no guinea pig you know!

Thanks for your input.

Escapee

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2016, at 11:00:17

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 11:53:33

hi. I seem to recall reading that tolerance for vitamin C can vary wildly, especially with unbuffered, powder forms.

I take time release tableets in 2 daily doses, AM and PM. For me, 6 grams--3 AM, 3 PM--was a good place to start. I think with powders and instant release tablets you dose 4x daily or something. Maybe try 1 gram 3-4x daily and go up from there?

I try to take my B-vitamins after a meal. Right now, I'm using instant release B-100, so its important to have food to buffer it...otherwise, I vomit (no, really).

vitamin C can be hard on your stomach. I guess start low and go up slowly...too much can have laxative and diuretic effects, so...that's not fun.

I seem to recall reading that vitamin C helps with proper absorption of minerals and some other antioxidants. I could be wrong.

If you do the B3 3x daily, then maybe just try to take at least as much C as B3 per dose (?). Again, I use time release, so I'm just guessing based on what OM material I've read in the past.

There is the "bowel tolerance" method...you just keep taking C until...bowel tolerance...then you reduce to (I think) 75% of that dose. The interesting thing about bowel tolerance is that it sometimes can indicate how (un)healthy you are...very sick people can take 10s of grams, healthy people usually far, far less.

I don't know about effects on meds. I take a lil cocktail, and I haven't experienced any problems. B3 can potentiate BZDs and some other anticonvulsants, but I think that's because of its effect on GABA receptors, not because of any effect on drug metabolism. The OM people say that high doses of C can augment neuroleptics and reduce adverse effects. Personally, I do feel calmer, more lucid on 20grams C per day than I was on 0 supplemental C, or even on lower doses of C.

OK. I think that's all I have for you. Please keep us all posted.

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 14, 2016, at 12:36:34

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 14, 2016, at 11:00:17

> hi. I seem to recall reading that tolerance for vitamin C can vary wildly, especially with unbuffered, powder forms.
>
> I take time release tableets in 2 daily doses, AM and PM. For me, 6 grams--3 AM, 3 PM--was a good place to start. I think with powders and instant release tablets you dose 4x daily or something. Maybe try 1 gram 3-4x daily and go up from there?
>
> I try to take my B-vitamins after a meal. Right now, I'm using instant release B-100, so its important to have food to buffer it...otherwise, I vomit (no, really).
>
> vitamin C can be hard on your stomach. I guess start low and go up slowly...too much can have laxative and diuretic effects, so...that's not fun.
>
> I seem to recall reading that vitamin C helps with proper absorption of minerals and some other antioxidants. I could be wrong.
>
> If you do the B3 3x daily, then maybe just try to take at least as much C as B3 per dose (?). Again, I use time release, so I'm just guessing based on what OM material I've read in the past.
>
> There is the "bowel tolerance" method...you just keep taking C until...bowel tolerance...then you reduce to (I think) 75% of that dose. The interesting thing about bowel tolerance is that it sometimes can indicate how (un)healthy you are...very sick people can take 10s of grams, healthy people usually far, far less.
>
> I don't know about effects on meds. I take a lil cocktail, and I haven't experienced any problems. B3 can potentiate BZDs and some other anticonvulsants, but I think that's because of its effect on GABA receptors, not because of any effect on drug metabolism. The OM people say that high doses of C can augment neuroleptics and reduce adverse effects. Personally, I do feel calmer, more lucid on 20grams C per day than I was on 0 supplemental C, or even on lower doses of C.
>
> OK. I think that's all I have for you. Please keep us all posted.

Hi thanks for the info! I have also heard of the gastrointestinal signs telling you that that is your optimal limit.

Patrick Holford also says to saturate the blood with vit C asap to stop a cold, even flue in its tracks. So a point to remember. I would include zinc with that too. Sorry im side tracking.

I'm going out now. 1st a mental health self-help group, followed by the gym :-) Something is definitely doing something! Nardil no doubt. Could be the pregabalin too. Cant complain!

Will come back to your post soon, have to go now.

Escapee

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee

Posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 16:03:19

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? SLS, posted by Escapee on September 13, 2016, at 19:47:52

> > I can't help you out with your question. However, I am curious if you can tolerate higher dosages of Nardil.

> Your words actually concern me a bit. You are 'curios' if I can tolerate a higher dose of Nardil? Why, am I doing badly?

You misunderstand me. I could have chosen different words, I suppose. I wanted to know if you had already tried 60 mg/day and found it intolerable. That information might be helpful to understand your situation.


- Scott

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? SLS

Posted by Escapee on September 16, 2016, at 7:12:03

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee, posted by SLS on September 14, 2016, at 16:03:19

> > > I can't help you out with your question. However, I am curious if you can tolerate higher dosages of Nardil.
>
> > Your words actually concern me a bit. You are 'curios' if I can tolerate a higher dose of Nardil? Why, am I doing badly?
>
> You misunderstand me. I could have chosen different words, I suppose. I wanted to know if you had already tried 60 mg/day and found it intolerable. That information might be helpful to understand your situation.
>
>
> - Scott

Hey Scott.

No worries. I could have worded/explained a bit better myself.

I am indeed itching to hit 60mg! But bare in mind that I take both bupropion & amitriptyline too. At least this time I have started the MAOI (Nardil) 'after' starting (already being on) the TCA 1st. The correct way round.

The main reason I have not upped the dose to 60mg yet is because my doc only prescribed enough at 45mg/day to last until my next appointment. Though I have counted them and have enough to go to 60 (if needed) 10-12 days before I see him next.

But right now I am being very pro-active! Have started the gym BY MYSELF! Big thing for me having social anxiety disorder (I'm looking for an AvPD diagnosis - fits me so well).

I am also attending mental health self-help groups twice weekly or more, and am catching buses again instead of walking all the time. Can never usually handle buses due to my anxiety. All this with barely any anxiety at all! No doubt the recently added pregabalin (Lyrica) is helping too.

I have even managed to lower my clonazepam from 4mg to 2.5mg/day. Though I do take an extra 1mg 2hrs before an anxiety provoking event. I will try halving that soon.

As I am stuck in a catch 22 situation with my housing right now, the best way for me to go is via a private landlord. But I can not go that way at the moment, as I am on benefits. However, I've been thinking in the last few days about work again! Perhaps when I get to 60mg Nardil.

So you see my hands are tied right now when it comes to the Nardil dosage.

And why am I adding mega-dose nutrients if I'm doing so well on my meds? Because I want to be getting help from them as well as keeping my med dosages as low as I can get away with. Its still an experiment tho. Starting today in fact, the highly dosed Vit C & B3 (as niacinamide/nicotinamide). And I am still taking nootropics to good effect too.

Escapee

 

Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression

Posted by Escapee on September 16, 2016, at 9:55:52

In reply to Re: Niacinamide for SA + Depression, posted by Christ_empowered on September 6, 2016, at 10:09:09

EWW! That niacinamide is bitter! Good job I stirred it into orange juice!

I have just taken my 1st mega-doses vitamin C & B3.
3g of Vit C & 1.5g of niacinamide. I am off to the gym in couple hrs. I will report back soon.

Strange, I can 'sense' the niacinamide in my bloodstream, similar to when taking nicotinic acid. But without the flush.

Escapee

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee

Posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 19:40:13

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? SLS, posted by Escapee on September 16, 2016, at 7:12:03

Hi Escpee.

All of what you are doing now is great! I am very happy for you. I know the joy and excitement that can come with the improvements that you are experiencing. You deserve pats on the back for your positive and constructive achievements. Keep kicking butt!


- Scott

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> But right now I am being very pro-active! Have started the gym BY MYSELF! Big thing for me having social anxiety disorder (I'm looking for an AvPD diagnosis - fits me so well).
>
> I am also attending mental health self-help groups twice weekly or more, and am catching buses again instead of walking all the time. Can never usually handle buses due to my anxiety. All this with barely any anxiety at all! No doubt the recently added pregabalin (Lyrica) is helping too.
>
> I have even managed to lower my clonazepam from 4mg to 2.5mg/day. Though I do take an extra 1mg 2hrs before an anxiety provoking event. I will try halving that soon.
>
> As I am stuck in a catch 22 situation with my housing right now, the best way for me to go is via a private landlord. But I can not go that way at the moment, as I am on benefits. However, I've been thinking in the last few days about work again! Perhaps when I get to 60mg Nardil.
>
> So you see my hands are tied right now when it comes to the Nardil dosage.
>
> And why am I adding mega-dose nutrients if I'm doing so well on my meds? Because I want to be getting help from them as well as keeping my med dosages as low as I can get away with. Its still an experiment tho. Starting today in fact, the highly dosed Vit C & B3 (as niacinamide/nicotinamide). And I am still taking nootropics to good effect too.
>
> Escapee

 

Thankyou Scott! :) (nm) SLS

Posted by Escapee on September 16, 2016, at 20:15:53

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee, posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 19:40:13

 

Niacin side note

Posted by Escapee on September 17, 2016, at 10:21:15

In reply to Thankyou Scott! :) (nm) SLS, posted by Escapee on September 16, 2016, at 20:15:53

I remember reading yrs ago, in a book on nutrition written by Patrick Holford the niacin, the 'flushing' type (nicotinic acid) can be used as a natural headache reliever. thought I should get some backup before posting that tho.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC548511/

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Escapee on September 25, 2016, at 18:36:23

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Escapee, posted by SLS on September 16, 2016, at 19:40:13

So I stopped the vit C & niacinamide due to going away for a short holiday. I've just started and didn't want the fuss of dealing with the experimenting. So the beer led the way!

Back now. Re-started with 3g vit C + 1.5g niacinamide 3 x day after meals. Sunday night now so have completed 2 full days. Not very long and not noticed much, but no side effects.

I take Atorvastatin for high cholesterol but stopped taking it a couple weeks back due to reading some bad things about it.

Its only just come to mind that perhaps I should try using nicotinic acid instead of, or along side niacinamide. It might just be what I need as an alternative to heart medication. I will also be asking my doctor about it. Some of the sources I've read say its available on prescription, tho I'm not sure if that includes the UK. Guess I'll find out.

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 26, 2016, at 13:36:16

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Escapee on September 25, 2016, at 18:36:23

If you're going to take sustained release niacin, I would recommend getting the Rx from a doc, along with blood work when necessary.

Hoffer sometimes mixed niacin and niacinamide...I think that happened mostly when someone needed more B3, but they'd maxed out the niacinamide dosage. Something like that.

Good luck!

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 26, 2016, at 18:17:11

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 26, 2016, at 13:36:16

Thankyou for all your help Christ_empowered!

One last question please! Can you tell me all of the mental illness states (that you know of) that B3 &/or vit C mega doses are known to have helped? My Diagnosis (in general) is Major depression (TRD) & Social Anxiety/phobia (maybe AvPD). Some OCD and individual compulsions.

Long history of addiction too. I know that Orthomolecular medicine is very good at treating addictions!

I also get highly irritable whether I'm doing well or not. Bust mostly when I'm not. Anger is also apparent, tho I'm pretty sure its mainly a coping mechanism for when in a socially anxious state that I cannot escape from. Feels like deeply ingrained instinct more than anything else. Form of protection, despite the negativeness of it. Virtually instantaneous.

Thanks for your time in answering my questions. Much appreciated! You are an encyclopedia of Orthomolecular knowledge!

Escapee

 

Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?

Posted by Christ_empowered on September 26, 2016, at 20:02:23

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose? Christ_empowered, posted by Escapee on September 26, 2016, at 18:17:11

Orthomolecular has been used over the whole spectrum of mental problems, from situational anxiety to full on, chronic, backwards schizophrenia.

I had severe social phobia and I was hooked on bzd drugs in my teens and early twenties. Bad news. Now, I function much, much better with the niacinamide+c+e+b-100, plus everything else I take (mostly antioxidants).

Niacin, niacinamide...they have a calming effect, but they don't make anger worse as bzd drugs can sometimes. B3 in its various forms can be used for hostile, angry kids...I imagine the same is true of adults.

Addictions...are complicated. to the extent that any somatic treatments can help addiction, I think OM has helped me with bzd and Rx amphetamine problems. To be fair, I was one of those "addiction by prescription" cases, so a lot of the help is in treating the problems that resulted in Rx upper and downer treatments in the first place. I don't know how the OM would do with someone who was inclined towards street drugs and/or alcohol.

So..yeah...OM has been used for all kinds of psychiatric indications, from the ODD/ADHD kids to the backwards schizophrenia cases. The vitamins have helped me tremendously (I do still require 4 Rx pills daily, including Abilify), and I hope you'll find some relief in OM, too.

 

Thanks! Good answers :) (nm) Christ_empowered

Posted by Escapee on September 26, 2016, at 20:06:07

In reply to Re: Question! Niacinimide + Vit C starting dose?, posted by Christ_empowered on September 26, 2016, at 20:02:23


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