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Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 12:51:02

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 12:41:34

How many times a day is it ok to use? Should you be going three times regularly?

I'm lucky if i go once a week.

Regards,

Brian

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 19:20:34

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 12:51:02

> How many times a day is it ok to use? Should you be going three times regularly?
>
> I'm lucky if i go once a week.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian

I'd be hard-pressed to say that once a week is in the normal range. With that as a baseline, I have to ask if you've been assessed by a medical doctor. If not, you should consult a doctor before you proceed with home remedies.

Lar

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 20:04:42

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 19:20:34

> If not, you should consult a doctor before you proceed with home remedies.
>
> Lar

Okay, on further research, selt-treatment isn't a bad idea, so long as there's no blood in your stool.

Lar

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 20:29:53

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 20:04:42

Yeah, the constipation is caused by the medication. As I taper lower and lower, I know that I'll be able to go.

Am I able to use the suppository more than once a day? Did it this morning, only a few rabbit pebbles.

Regards,

Brian

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 20:44:27

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 20:29:53

Larry, do you believe in the Dr. Heather Ashton protocol for benzo taper? Or is it more typical to reduce by 10 percent a week?

Hers is to go down 2mgs every 1-2 weeks, then when at 16mgs, go down 1mg every 1-2 weeks.

Is that an anti benzo community that is outside the norm?

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 8:33:27

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 20:29:53

> Am I able to use the suppository more than once a day? Did it this morning, only a few rabbit pebbles.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian

Yes, you can use it more than once a day. It's a local irritant. It draws fluid into the bowel, and induces muscle contractions. However, if the "yield" was rabbit turds, I'm going to suggest heavy artillery to get the backlog cleared out. The downside risk of severe constipation is called fecal impaction. A large stool forms that is too hard and too big to pass through the anus. It must be mechanically removed by medical personnel. The rabbit turd phenomenon is probably fragments breaking off such a hard mass, which can continue to enlarge.

Whenever that happened to me, I used a Fleet enema, which contains sodium phosphates. I could pick up a generic version for a couple of bucks, available at any pharmacy. It works rapidly, within 2 to 5 minutes.

After getting the "cork out of the bottle" I was usually able to maintain better flow with stimulant laxatives, with the occasional suppository.

Fleet enemas are not for routine use. But nobody wants this sort of constipation to be routine either.

Lar

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 8:41:48

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 20:44:27

> Larry, do you believe in the Dr. Heather Ashton protocol for benzo taper? Or is it more typical to reduce by 10 percent a week?
>
> Hers is to go down 2mgs every 1-2 weeks, then when at 16mgs, go down 1mg every 1-2 weeks.
>
> Is that an anti benzo community that is outside the norm?

Heather Ashton is performing a valuable service for the most sensitive of individuals, who thereby tend to be poorly served by conventional medical practise. In any larger group of subjects, there are going to be people who need to take extra care in managing a particular therapy, or, in this case, withdrawal from a therapy. Only you can say whether you need this special withdrawal regime, i.e. if you've had intolerable effects from a more aggressive taper.

Lar

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 11:14:53

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 8:41:48

Well, the serotonin does make me much more social for what it's worth.

Brian

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 11:40:36

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 8:41:48

> > Larry, do you believe in the Dr. Heather Ashton protocol for benzo taper? Or is it more typical to reduce by 10 percent a week?
> >
> > Hers is to go down 2mgs every 1-2 weeks, then when at 16mgs, go down 1mg every 1-2 weeks.
> >
> > Is that an anti benzo community that is outside the norm?
>
> Heather Ashton is performing a valuable service for the most sensitive of individuals, who thereby tend to be poorly served by conventional medical practise. In any larger group of subjects, there are going to be people who need to take extra care in managing a particular therapy, or, in this case, withdrawal from a therapy. Only you can say whether you need this special withdrawal regime, i.e. if you've had intolerable effects from a more aggressive taper.
>
>

Well I am very sensitive to meds, and don't tolerate them. I've attempted to come off of benzos 5-6 in the last couple of years, but each time it seemed like the taper was too fast. So perhaps the Ashton method is best for me.

Regarding that link you sent me about a supplement for benzo withdrawal; do you think it's safe to be taking 5htp (30mg twice a day)during withdrawal (of course the benzoisland.org people say no, no supplements)?

My biggest problem through this taper is that I don't naturally get tired at night. I just somehow fall asleep. But without doubt, I wake up at 6am on the dot (any shade of light wakes me up), like a deer in the headlights, bad anxiety (my testicles up my stomach). No natural progression to waking up.

Although SSRIs helped my sleep, and makes me more social self, the other part made my life hell (gave me derealization, turned me into an irratable a-hole, made compulsions worse, worse depression, etc). I'm too chemically sensitive. They obviously aren't for me.

So conventional meds are out of the question for me.

Do you think that 5htp is beneficial? And is twice a day ok?

I do also believe/know that this severe constipation is making me feel physically and emotionally horrible.

Just tried the fleet enema, just a few rabit pellets.

I'll work the laxatives and glycerine as well.

Regards,

Brian

PS- I'm on rescue remedy, and 2 other bach flowers, plus 4 different homeopathic remedies, and they seem to be working! Other than the sleep problem.

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 18:36:44

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 11:40:36

Yeah Lar, even 5htp induces bipolar like symptoms (racing thoughts, mood instability), I can't tolerate anything serotonin.

Any other ideas of what could allow me to get naturally tired, and wake up refreshed, hopefully later than 6am, and w/o severe anxiety?

Or is this just part of the benzo withdrawal that I need to deal with?

Regards,

Brian

 

Re:sleep

Posted by Sigismund on March 31, 2009, at 19:40:29

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 11:40:36

>No natural progression to waking up.

This is what gets me doing my morning exercises at 4 in the morning while listening to Leonard Cohen .

Today was different though.
I woke at 3am with a start, and took 500mg niacinamide and 500mg tryptophan and slept till 6, and woke up almost naturally.....a minor miracle.

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by Sigismund on March 31, 2009, at 19:42:37

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 18:36:44

So the tryptophan is not a good idea, I see.

If I couldn't take that and I had a benzo withdrawal I would get to a herbalist and get some zizyphus and skullcap.

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 22:42:28

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 31, 2009, at 11:40:36

I don't understand why the fleet enema and the glycerin suppository have had such small effect. Is it possible that the fecal mass has not dropped down adjacent to the anus, into the lowest segment of the bowel? Do you have that feeling of pressure/urge to move the bowels? Or instead, just the fullness? Perhaps your peristalsis (rhythmic movement of fecal mass along the bowel) is weak to non-existent. In that case, a stimulant laxative (those herbs, e.g. senna, or the blend you mentioned) might do the trick. As would castor oil. The problem is that there are potentially serious disorders that involve significant decreases in peristalsis. That's why I asked earlier if you'd been assessed by a doctor. Tell you what, if you try a stimulant laxative, and it fails. And you increase the dose to the max and it fails again, go straight away to a doctor and tell him the sort of problem you're facing. Peristalsis is mediated by serotonin, but there's more to it than that.

Lar

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on April 1, 2009, at 13:06:47

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 22:42:28

Perhaps I'll give the 5htp a chance at night (100mgs). I took it during the day yesterday (20mg), and felt like crap. But I was awake at 3am this morning, as opposed to my usual 6am.

I'm sure this is part of benzo w/d, but it's outta hand. Last time I went through this, the doc added celexa, and it helped me sleep, but gave me a slough of problems.

Is the 5htp much more safe than the SSRIs? Less side effects?

Regards,

Brian

 

Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on April 5, 2009, at 18:22:25

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 31, 2009, at 22:42:28

Larry, along with the constipation, I'm having very bad water retention and bloating. Any particular vitamins that help aleviate this? Magnesium?

Any other vitamins or supplements that you might recommend for benzo withdrawal?

Regards,

Brian

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on April 5, 2009, at 19:12:53

In reply to Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on April 5, 2009, at 18:22:25

If I drink a lot of prune juice, it gets everything out of my stomach. Nothing really solid, but gets rid of all that water retention.

Is too much prune juice dangerous? I know that sugar isn't good for benzo WD.

Brian

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 6, 2009, at 21:58:25

In reply to Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on April 5, 2009, at 19:12:53

Brian, over time I've come to question whether you might have constipation-predominant irritable bowel syndrome (IBS-C). Why don't you take a look at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome

There are drugs which seem to work very well for that variant of IBS. Of course, you'd need a thorough medical history and exam before a doctor would diagnose you.

Prunes/prune juice are probably safe in any amount you can tolerate. They contain dihydrophenylisatin, which is a stimulant laxative. They also both contain large amounts of soluble fiber. If they clear you out, go for it.

Lar

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on April 7, 2009, at 21:04:03

In reply to Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on April 6, 2009, at 21:58:25

Larry, high doses of vitamin c seem to help my edema and digestion (10,000)mgs (oh yes, the prune juice works too).
My only question is weather it produces extra energy that i don't want for my benzo withdrawal. I can't find much that says it's energizing.

PS- Is a b complex ok for benzo WD, or does that send you through the roof?

Regards,

Brian

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown

Posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2009, at 16:25:11

In reply to Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on April 7, 2009, at 21:04:03

I wouldn't worry about any energizing effect from the prune juice.

And the same thing with the B-vitamins.

If you use them, and you find them intolerable, don't continue. It's the only way to determine the answer: do the experiment.

Lar

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by qbsbrown on April 11, 2009, at 16:30:08

In reply to Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2009, at 16:25:11

Yeah, I'm seeming to find that all and any vitamins/supplements aggrivate the withdrawal.

5htp (depression), tyrosine (irratability), theanine (pounding heart), b vitamins (pounding heart, sweating), l glutamine etc.

I think anything trying to compete with GABA just makes it worse.

I guess I have to do this thing solo. Guess the CNS is SO sensitive right now.

Regards,

Brian

PS- I find some help from homeopathic remedies, and flower essences, yoga, exercise, protein.

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by Lao Tzu on April 15, 2009, at 6:47:42

In reply to What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by qbsbrown on March 30, 2009, at 9:35:06

What helped me in the past was senna tablets, milk of magnesia, and Citrucel.

 

Re: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by tonyz on May 10, 2009, at 21:34:34

In reply to Re: What could I take for bad constipation?, posted by Lao Tzu on April 15, 2009, at 6:47:42

Miralax has proven very effective for me even when on fairly high dosages of the tricyclics. I haven't checked the other postings so this may have been mentioned already. It is available both by prescription and otc.

 

Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation?

Posted by yoga4me on June 8, 2009, at 1:37:07

In reply to Re: Larry: What could I take for bad constipation? qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on April 11, 2009, at 16:25:11

Have you tried all natural MSM? You can find it at any GNC or Health store. MSM will help move your bowels within 24 hours. Take one 1,000 mg capsule, open it and stir into the water so it will coat the lining of your stomach. Its also good for joint pain and for skin, nails and hair. Note: It will not interfere with a benzo taper.

 

Re: Liver supplements: make you process meds quicker?

Posted by manic 666 on July 14, 2009, at 13:00:30

In reply to Liver supplements: make you process meds quicker?, posted by qbsbrown on March 28, 2009, at 20:32:41

valerian tabs take more than recomended dose, an stand back an light the blue touch paper, wwwwow

 

Astaxanthin

Posted by Lamdage22 on July 14, 2016, at 7:36:52

In reply to Re: Liver supplements: ooops! read this! qbsbrown, posted by Larry Hoover on March 30, 2009, at 8:33:58

> I apologize....I forgot to check astaxanthin.
>
> Astaxanthin is a potent inducer of 3A4 in vitro. That would speed up the breakdown of valium by one pathway, if....if the dose given here is large enough to do anything. An in vivo study showing this effect is real used 100 mg, and the dose here is 1/200 of that. It's probably trivial, but I can't be certain.
>
> Lar


Hey Larry,

i take the cocktail below and i want to take astaxanthin badly.

Any advice?

THX


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