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Re: Kratom against Depression?

Posted by Hugh on December 16, 2013, at 10:42:17

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression?, posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2013, at 10:03:23

> Why paranoia from Kratom?

A 2010 study showed Kratom had opiate-like results in animals- reducing pain, producing sedative and euphoric effects- and a host of other side effects including nausea, constipation, loss of appetite and even psychotic symptoms in some Kratom addicts. Other serious side effects include hallucinations, delusions, and confusion.

 

Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2013, at 12:43:23

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression? » Lamdage22, posted by Mogger on December 16, 2013, at 1:17:44

> Be careful Lamdage22 I have heard some bad stories. Have you ever tried Sarcosine for your schizo affective? How do you like NAC as you are on a low dose?

I tried Sarcosine. It helped a little, but it gave me akathisia. What about Glycine though? Maybe it will do as Sarcosine did minus the akathisia.

As for NAC, if i raise the dose to 2000, i feel EXCELLENT on day 3 and 4, but then the suicide thoughts came back so i stopped last time.

I dunno


I will try the Kratom as an analgesic. Maybe throw in another 10mg Zyprexa to be safe in terms of hallucinations?

 

Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger » Lamdage22

Posted by mogger on December 16, 2013, at 22:49:59

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger, posted by Lamdage22 on December 16, 2013, at 12:43:23

How about not taking Kratom and trying Glycine? :)Sarcosine gave me hardcore akathisia as well so I stopped. I am very curious about Glycine but am nervous as I hear some say it can cause depression. Check out my post on it a few posts up from this. As far as NAC goes my doctor had me raise my dose 600mgs a week so ultra slow. Not sure if that would be any different but he said the body takes a bit to adjust to it. I don't know how it works but I hear that N-Acetylglucosamine is phenomenal for anxiety and mood. Check out reviews of it on various supplement websites. Seems to be an anti inflammatory of some sort.

 

Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2013, at 3:17:21

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 16, 2013, at 22:49:59

> How about not taking Kratom and trying Glycine? :)Sarcosine gave me hardcore akathisia as well so I stopped. I am very curious about Glycine but am nervous as I hear some say it can cause depression. Check out my post on it a few posts up from this. As far as NAC goes my doctor had me raise my dose 600mgs a week so ultra slow. Not sure if that would be any different but he said the body takes a bit to adjust to it.

Okay i may try it again. But first i want to get onto a decent MAOI.

I don't know how it works but I hear that N-Acetylglucosamine is phenomenal for anxiety and mood. Check out reviews of it on various supplement websites. Seems to be an anti inflammatory of some sort.

Interesting. Do you have links to those reviews?

Im not trying Kratom as an antidepressant. More for recreational purposes for increased talkativeness in social settings and for pain-killing during hair removal procedures.

Im not a fan of misplaced body hair at all. And man, waxing hurts like sh*t.

 

Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger » mogger

Posted by Hugh on December 17, 2013, at 12:50:27

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 16, 2013, at 22:49:59

> I don't know how it works but I hear that N-Acetylglucosamine is phenomenal for anxiety and mood. Check out reviews of it on various supplement websites. Seems to be an anti inflammatory of some sort.

I've also read that about NAG. It's supposed to be good for MS and rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders. It looks like it might be the next hot new supplement.

 

N-Acetylglucosamine

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2013, at 13:06:59

In reply to Re: Kratom against Depression? Mogger » mogger, posted by Hugh on December 17, 2013, at 12:50:27

> > I don't know how it works but I hear that N-Acetylglucosamine is phenomenal for anxiety and mood. Check out reviews of it on various supplement websites. Seems to be an anti inflammatory of some sort.
>
> I've also read that about NAG. It's supposed to be good for MS and rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders. It looks like it might be the next hot new supplement.
>

Hugh, do you mean mood also or just anxiety relief? I havent come across anything that talks about n-acetylglucosamine and depression.

Do you have links

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine

Posted by Hugh on December 17, 2013, at 13:38:15

In reply to N-Acetylglucosamine, posted by Lamdage22 on December 17, 2013, at 13:06:59

There's not much information out there about NAG and anxiety. Just some anecdotal reports. And nothing or next to nothing about NAG and depression. But it's a fairly new supplement and most people haven't heard of it, so it might be worth a try. Depression is sometimes caused or exacerbated by inflammation, and NAG appears to be an anti-inflammatory.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine » Hugh

Posted by mogger on December 18, 2013, at 0:38:38

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine, posted by Hugh on December 17, 2013, at 13:38:15

You're right about not being much about mood. Check out the reviews on iherb.com on Jarrow's NAG. Seems like mood is an added bonus to it's anti inflammatory properties. Do you think it would interact with medication? I see it is taken from shellfish.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 18, 2013, at 6:57:25

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 18, 2013, at 0:38:38

> You're right about not being much about mood. Check out the reviews on iherb.com on Jarrow's NAG. Seems like mood is an added bonus to it's anti inflammatory properties. Do you think it would interact with medication? I see it is taken from shellfish.

Well you can have your medi blood levels checked before and after use.

What is the big deal with Kratom and Maoi?

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine » mogger

Posted by Hugh on December 18, 2013, at 15:24:37

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 18, 2013, at 0:38:38

> You're right about not being much about mood. Check out the reviews on iherb.com on Jarrow's NAG. Seems like mood is an added bonus to it's anti inflammatory properties. Do you think it would interact with medication? I see it is taken from shellfish.

I read that it can reduce the release of insulin, so diabetics might want to pay close attention to their blood glucose if taking NAG.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction

Posted by Hugh on December 19, 2013, at 17:03:42

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine » mogger, posted by Hugh on December 18, 2013, at 15:24:37

I think I was mistaken in my previous post. I thought that NAG might inhibit the secretion of insulin, but I've been doing some more reading on the subject, and I think I was wrong.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh

Posted by mogger on December 19, 2013, at 17:36:57

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction, posted by Hugh on December 19, 2013, at 17:03:42

Thanks Hugh. Upon doing your research can you see any reason NAG would have psychotropic drug interactions or not? I have ordered a bottle for myself.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 20, 2013, at 11:33:37

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 19, 2013, at 17:36:57

> Thanks Hugh. Upon doing your research can you see any reason NAG would have psychotropic drug interactions or not? I have ordered a bottle for myself.

So did i. I added 4,8 g of EPA two days ago and the thorne research multivitamin.

First impression: EPA may be good.

Ordered Hawaiian Astaxanthin as an antioxidant. Ordered NAG. Parnate appears to be onto its way into my pill box.

Exiting

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Lamdage22

Posted by mogger on December 20, 2013, at 14:40:59

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction, posted by Lamdage22 on December 20, 2013, at 11:33:37

EPA is huge for me. Very good news about Parnate. Hawaiian Astaxanthin. What is that?

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » mogger

Posted by Hugh on December 21, 2013, at 19:20:41

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 19, 2013, at 17:36:57

I haven't heard anything about interactions with NAG. But it would be a good idea to start with a low dose, just to be on the safe side.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh

Posted by mogger on December 21, 2013, at 21:24:42

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » mogger, posted by Hugh on December 21, 2013, at 19:20:41

I just bought a bottle of 500mg tablets so I shall try just one a day. Just took one wish me luck!

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2013, at 3:19:53

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 21, 2013, at 21:24:42

> I just bought a bottle of 500mg tablets so I shall try just one a day. Just took one wish me luck!

Kewl. Let us know.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Lamdage22

Posted by mogger on December 22, 2013, at 9:57:18

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction, posted by Lamdage22 on December 22, 2013, at 3:19:53

Could be a placebo effect but I felt a bit dizzy and warm about an hour after taking it. I must admit I am feeling less anxious today. Perhaps it is placebo again but I am hopeful. Hugh what do you think a low dose would be? I can't find info on dosing but I think 1000 mg would be a low dose?

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » mogger

Posted by Hugh on December 22, 2013, at 21:38:45

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 22, 2013, at 9:57:18

> Hugh what do you think a low dose would be? I can't find info on dosing but I think 1000 mg would be a low dose?

There was a clinical trial for children with Crohn's and colitis that gave them between 3 and 6 grams of NAG a day. That sounds like a really high dose to me. I'd suggest staying at 500 mg for at least a week, then maybe try 750 mg. More isn't always better. Sometimes less is more.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » Hugh

Posted by mogger on December 23, 2013, at 15:21:58

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » mogger, posted by Hugh on December 22, 2013, at 21:38:45

Thanks Hugh,

I shall settle at 500 mgs for a week. Definitely something is afoot just don't know what yet.

 

N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » Hugh

Posted by mogger on December 28, 2013, at 19:28:38

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine - correction » mogger, posted by Hugh on December 22, 2013, at 21:38:45

Hugh day 6 and it is having a pronounced anti anxiety effect. My arthritis pain is gone as well.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety.

Posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 4:55:42

In reply to N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 28, 2013, at 19:28:38

> Hugh day 6 and it is having a pronounced anti anxiety effect. My arthritis pain is gone as well.

Thats great. How about mood?

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » Lamdage22

Posted by mogger on December 29, 2013, at 9:29:41

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety., posted by Lamdage22 on December 29, 2013, at 4:55:42

Bro anything that helps anxiety and doesn't cause depression as a side effect for me lifts my mood!

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety.

Posted by sigismund on December 30, 2013, at 15:25:47

In reply to Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » Lamdage22, posted by mogger on December 29, 2013, at 9:29:41

Good for Chrones Disease apparently.

 

Re: N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » mogger

Posted by Hugh on December 31, 2013, at 19:29:59

In reply to N-Acetylglucosamine is helping anxiety. » Hugh, posted by mogger on December 28, 2013, at 19:28:38

> Hugh day 6 and it is having a pronounced anti anxiety effect. My arthritis pain is gone as well.

That's great news! Keep giving us updates. I have come across some possible problems with using NAG.

"N-acetyl glucosamine may cause certain adverse effects (such as itching, wheezing, and rashes) in people who are allergic to shellfish.

There's also some concern that N-acetyl glucosamine may be harmful to people with asthma. For instance, consumption of N-acetyl glucosamine may aggravate asthma symptoms and possibly trigger asthma attacks."

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/glucosamine/a/N-Acetyl-Glucosamine.htm


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