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Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 16, 2008, at 5:34:54

I have read through many posts on this. I have in the past been deficient (serum wise) in magnesium, and also in potassium. After developing what looked to be MS and was not I began supplementing over two years after the fact I had been told these things were low but was not put on supplementation. I struggle on a daily basis with this and am trying to find out what is wrong, but all serum testing now shows that my magnesium levels are fine even at the higher end of normal. I was taking 1000-1200 mg of mag citrate powder (natural calm) every three to four days when symptoms got really bad for me and I was too weak. But it was not working well for long term it seemed. SO, I started to up this dose again to 1200-1400 mg a day. I do not hardly ever get diarrhea from this. But, now I am worried about something else. This may sound dumb, and I don't want to go into too many details, but I am wondering if this amount could cause a bleeding issue. I am gettin a bit worried this morning particularly about this. I have read mixed articles on if it can prolong bleeding time or have anticoagulant properties.
Also, I am wondering in the case of preventing a deficiency from getting worse, what would be the best one to take.

Peace
Chelle

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire

Posted by JLx on August 18, 2008, at 17:32:17

In reply to Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 16, 2008, at 5:34:54

I've been very interested in magnesium since it's done wonders for my depression and I don't recall ever reading anything about magnesium and bleeding. I recommend the books "The Miracle of Magnesium" and "The Magnesium Factor" if you're interested.

Since you say you're no longer deficient, why are you taking so much? Also bear in mind that magnesium has an important relationship to calcium. I think it's necessary to find what the correct ratio of calcium to magnesium is for each of us.

JL


> I have read through many posts on this. I have in the past been deficient (serum wise) in magnesium, and also in potassium. After developing what looked to be MS and was not I began supplementing over two years after the fact I had been told these things were low but was not put on supplementation. I struggle on a daily basis with this and am trying to find out what is wrong, but all serum testing now shows that my magnesium levels are fine even at the higher end of normal. I was taking 1000-1200 mg of mag citrate powder (natural calm) every three to four days when symptoms got really bad for me and I was too weak. But it was not working well for long term it seemed. SO, I started to up this dose again to 1200-1400 mg a day. I do not hardly ever get diarrhea from this. But, now I am worried about something else. This may sound dumb, and I don't want to go into too many details, but I am wondering if this amount could cause a bleeding issue. I am gettin a bit worried this morning particularly about this. I have read mixed articles on if it can prolong bleeding time or have anticoagulant properties.
> Also, I am wondering in the case of preventing a deficiency from getting worse, what would be the best one to take.
>
> Peace
> Chelle

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:04:48

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire, posted by JLx on August 18, 2008, at 17:32:17

I do not know if I am still deficient or not...but symptoms such as twitching, tremor, and weakness occur all the time if I am not taking it.
All I know is that in March on a 24 hour urine, I was losing lots of it along with potassium, and who knows what else since I can't find my test results. Also, serum levels are not always accurate in and of themselves since most magnesium is intracellular and in the bone and most doctors do not run the other tests to see. So, I am trying to find a doctor to help me figure out what I need and am also bein checked for adrenal problems or possibly a tumor. Thank you for reminding me about the potassium. I am supposed to see a new nephrologist this week, and I am hoping she can help me.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my post...Oh, and I also take the magnesium because it greatly helps my OCD and anxiety.

PEACE
Chelle

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:06:33

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:04:48

Actually, I meant thank you for reminding me about the calcium and for the book resources.
I will have to check them out. How much are you taking for depression?

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:06:46

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:04:48

Actually, I meant thank you for reminding me about the calcium and for the book resources.
I will have to check them out. How much are you taking for depression?

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by bleauberry on August 19, 2008, at 16:05:39

In reply to Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 16, 2008, at 5:34:54

I have read a lot about magnesium. I respond very poorly to it though. In my readings I could summarize what I've seen in probably two comments:

1) The different forms of magnesium can be as different for one person as SSRI antidepressants are different. I mean, they are basically the same, and yet very different. The different forms to consider that have worked well for others are:
Mg Glycinate; Mg Taurate; Mg Orotate; Mg Malate.
Somehow the carrier molecule can make a difference.

2) Discussion of Mg is not complete without looking at Calcium also. The balance between the two is critical and varies a lot from person to person.

Personal experimentation is the only way to find out what works best and what doesn't.

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 21, 2008, at 3:20:55

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by bleauberry on August 19, 2008, at 16:05:39

Hi again...
Well, I am eating calcium in my daily diet, but I started taking slow mag for now with everything else. And, I am taking potassium too. Hopefully, one of these physicians can find out what in the world is goin on with me really soon. I get told to drink powerade/gatorade every day 3 years ago, and one recently, one doc says restrict my salt, another says I need to be careful not to restrict it because it might be really bad too. I am on precription Vitamin D too, and have been trying to eat healthy things that contain calcium as well. I feel like I am going insane trying to keep up with this. I wish it were only something that I was trying to help my emotional issues, but unfortunately I think it is much much more than that. Thanks Beauberry for the help too.
Peace
Chelle

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » JLx

Posted by SLS on August 24, 2008, at 16:10:26

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire, posted by JLx on August 18, 2008, at 17:32:17

> I've been very interested in magnesium since it's done wonders for my depression and I don't recall ever reading anything about magnesium and bleeding. I recommend the books "The Miracle of Magnesium" and "The Magnesium Factor" if you're interested.
>
> Since you say you're no longer deficient, why are you taking so much? Also bear in mind that magnesium has an important relationship to calcium. I think it's necessary to find what the correct ratio of calcium to magnesium is for each of us.

Hi. J.

There most definitely is a relationship between Mg and Ca, although I think it is a complex interaction. In general, I think they might be antagonistic. Mg gives me a sense of calmess and feeling brighter. Ca makes my depression much worse within an hour of taking 1000mg. I tried repeating the experiment by rechallenging with Ca. Same results. I steer clear of Ca megadoses now.


- Scott

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire

Posted by Bobby on August 24, 2008, at 23:27:06

In reply to Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 16, 2008, at 5:34:54

I'm no expert in the field of alternative medicine. I can only offer my personal experience with magnesium.I have always been skeptical(or just plain ignorant) of alternative options when it comes to healthcare. However, I have been suffering with facial tics lately and they didn't go away as I'd hoped. It was very frustrating to say the least. So anyway, I did my research on facial tics and thought for sure that I had Tourettes(sp?). While researching --I came across several sites that suggested Flax oil. I tried Flax oil with some small degree of success--enough to continue taking it. I was grasping for anything at the time. However, it was not until I began looking into the relationship between facial tics and magnesium deficiencies that I found the magic bullet. Again--I was desperate to keep away from Haldol/Zyprexa and the likes. after starting magnesium--I noticed a tremendous improvement. Maybe it was just a lucky shot in the dark or perhaps some psychosematic response--but it works for me--but as Scott mentioned---results vary in individuals. However, My wife works in Urology--and she did her homework too and found out that there is a relationship between magnesium and kidney stones--which I've had several stones too. coincidence? Maybe--but I'm sold on it. I'm going to try to post a link for your reading. there is no one definative site--but you can Google stuff and draw your own conclusions--hopefully in collabaration with your Dr--who has knowledge unavailable to most of us mortals. good luck. that's my take on the subject and I wish you the same degree of success as I've had.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium))

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 25, 2008, at 6:22:24

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire, posted by Bobby on August 24, 2008, at 23:27:06

Bobby,
Thank you so much for your input.
Right now I have been holding off on taking magnesium for just a couple days already. I tried to get it in my food but with what we had it is too hard plus I don't need to gain any more weight. I have a test that I want to get done, which I have to hold back on the oral supplements. I am already suffering physically and psychologically. I too have gotten the facial ticks. I have back pain to boot, and am weak and do some much better on it. Lets just say, the doctors have been of little help with this. AND, I need a psych doc and a therapist, and a lot of other things too which due to no car, and being a bit poor things are on the slow go.

Thanks for the link.

PEACE and blessings
Chelle

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire

Posted by JLx on August 27, 2008, at 10:11:35

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 18, 2008, at 20:06:33

> Actually, I meant thank you for reminding me about the calcium and for the book resources.
> I will have to check them out. How much are you taking for depression?

It varies between 250-400 mg/day. Lately, I'm starting to wonder if that is enough though. I recently quit eating dairy and also began plugging my food into a diet analyzer (such as Fitday) and found I'm getting more calcium than I thought in my diet. And that's after I cut out the cheese. So I shudder to think how much calcium I was getting before. When I thought I was balancing it with enough magnesium, I probably wasn't.

I have taken too much magnesium in the past. I can't remember quite what the symptoms were, but I clearly felt out of whack. (Cleared up by adding calcium.)

JL

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » SLS

Posted by JLx on August 27, 2008, at 10:24:06

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » JLx, posted by SLS on August 24, 2008, at 16:10:26

Hi Scott,

My understanding is that they are antagonistic AND synergistic. If you're taking too much calcium and not enough magnesium, for instance, you're not really getting that much calcium. And vice versa. (Roughly)

Calcium makes me too feel terrible, especially by supplement. It just makes me sick that I lost years to being overdosed on calcium and deficient in magnesium. I can make myself feel that awful again with any calcium supplement. The last one I tried was only 250 mg. Now when I take one to balance magnesium (if I'm not eating dairy) it's a lower dose of less than a hundred.

From what I gather from numerous discussions on this board, this response is not exactly typical but it's very striking for some people and it seems to be something more people might want to be aware of. Especially women who are always being advised to get 1200 mg of calcium a day. Shudder.

I first heard about the depression magnesium connection on George Eby's website: http://george-eby-research.com/html/depression-anxiety.html

He officially wrote up his research and findings and had it published in "Medical Hypothesis". http://george-eby-research.com/html/magnesium-depression-review.mht

JL


> Hi. J.
>
> There most definitely is a relationship between Mg and Ca, although I think it is a complex interaction. In general, I think they might be antagonistic. Mg gives me a sense of calmess and feeling brighter. Ca makes my depression much worse within an hour of taking 1000mg. I tried repeating the experiment by rechallenging with Ca. Same results. I steer clear of Ca megadoses now.
>
>
> - Scott

 

Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » Bobby

Posted by JLx on August 27, 2008, at 10:35:24

In reply to Re: Need Help...I have to take magnesium » WaterSapphire, posted by Bobby on August 24, 2008, at 23:27:06

I had a calcium oxalate kidney stone too before I started taking magnesium. I was actually supplementing calcium then (and miserable). I quit taking the calcium after I had the stone despite the urologist's nurse not really advising me one way or another. I noticed I felt better afterward but totally missed the calcium connection at the time. Then when I started taking magnesium, my depression improved dramatically and immediately. It also cleared up my dry itchy skin that had been plaguing me for a long time. I went through gallons of bath oil back then. Magnesium, with some other supplements, also cleared up some thyroid problems I assumed I had that were making me cold and with a low body temp.

Magnesium is involved with over 300 enzymatic functions in the body, is depleted with stress and certain excesses in our diets, such as sugar, and is not present in large quantities in any one particular food except for pumpkin seeds. Is it any wonder that so many of us could be deficient?

This nutritionists page concerning magnesium is one I particularly like:

http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html

JL


> I'm no expert in the field of alternative medicine. I can only offer my personal experience with magnesium.I have always been skeptical(or just plain ignorant) of alternative options when it comes to healthcare. However, I have been suffering with facial tics lately and they didn't go away as I'd hoped. It was very frustrating to say the least. So anyway, I did my research on facial tics and thought for sure that I had Tourettes(sp?). While researching --I came across several sites that suggested Flax oil. I tried Flax oil with some small degree of success--enough to continue taking it. I was grasping for anything at the time. However, it was not until I began looking into the relationship between facial tics and magnesium deficiencies that I found the magic bullet. Again--I was desperate to keep away from Haldol/Zyprexa and the likes. after starting magnesium--I noticed a tremendous improvement. Maybe it was just a lucky shot in the dark or perhaps some psychosematic response--but it works for me--but as Scott mentioned---results vary in individuals. However, My wife works in Urology--and she did her homework too and found out that there is a relationship between magnesium and kidney stones--which I've had several stones too. coincidence? Maybe--but I'm sold on it. I'm going to try to post a link for your reading. there is no one definative site--but you can Google stuff and draw your own conclusions--hopefully in collabaration with your Dr--who has knowledge unavailable to most of us mortals. good luck. that's my take on the subject and I wish you the same degree of success as I've had.
>
> http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/magnesium.asp
>
>

 

Thank you all of you

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 27, 2008, at 12:24:31

In reply to Need Help...I have to take magnesium, posted by WaterSapphire on August 16, 2008, at 5:34:54

Just saying thank you to all your responses.
It is nice to know I can have an intelligent conversation on here and get intelligent answers about this. Personal experiences are also always of interest to me. Since I have no luck so far with getting any help from the doctors I have seen regarding this issue, I at least can try to do what I can in the meantime. I at least know in my own opinion that I really need it for some reason or another. Thank you for the info, resources, and posts. It makes me very happy that I am not alone with interest and also in taking this or other supplements.

Peace
Chelle

 

Re: Thank you all of you » WaterSapphire

Posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2008, at 13:07:14

In reply to Thank you all of you, posted by WaterSapphire on August 27, 2008, at 12:24:31

Calcium ratios in a ca and mg pill should be two calcium to l magnesium that's my understanding. I was told to take it with vita d for my oseteoporosis. Phillipa

 

Re: Thank you all of you

Posted by WaterSapphire on August 27, 2008, at 13:13:35

In reply to Re: Thank you all of you » WaterSapphire, posted by Phillipa on August 27, 2008, at 13:07:14

I am bad, I haven't taken my script vitamin d in awhile. I didn't know the exact ratio. I seem to do worse with too much calcium or too little. This is why I want a doctor's help so badly. Certain foods like milk and cheese have a lot of calcium and I drink and eat both. From what others have said and what I read too much calcium can be bad as well as too much magnesium. Like the ratio you mention, there has got to be a balance. Well, if I am losing these things somehow...I don't know how to balance it myself lol. On the days I feel just pretty ok like right now, I have to wonder...ok so what was it that helped. Osteoporosis must be so painful huh. I have arthritis, but no osteoporosis yet. I am only 32, but I know you can get it really young too. I used to have a friend who had it before age 30. Thanks Philippa, it is good to have you and everyone here back in my life. I missed you all so much.
Chelle

 

Re: Thank you all of you

Posted by Hmmm! on September 27, 2008, at 22:57:03

In reply to Re: Thank you all of you, posted by WaterSapphire on August 27, 2008, at 13:13:35

I am not a Medical doctor & I cannot diagnose. I am a Nutritionist who is interested in alternative nutrition. I read a lot of medical journals and was wondering if you ever heard of Gitelman's syndrome? It is a kidney disorder that causes excessive loss of potassium and magnesium in the urine, leading to deficiencies. Here are some possible symptoms:

Fatigue and tiredness.

Excessive thirst.

Salt craving.

Muscle cramps including leg cramps and muscle spasms.

Joint pain or stiffness.

Numbness of hands and feet.

Heart palpitations.

Dizziness.

Blurred vision.

Increased need to pass urine because the urine is diluted.

Google it! There is a lot on info on the web.

Good luck in your quest for health!


 

HMMM...

Posted by WaterSapphire on October 13, 2008, at 6:47:09

In reply to Re: Thank you all of you, posted by Hmmm! on September 27, 2008, at 22:57:03

Thank you for the suggestion. Pretty great that a nutritionist can suggest gitelman's but two nephrologists refuse to check for it.
I appreciate your help. Thank you...


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