Psycho-Babble Alternative Thread 788167

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Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by bleauberry on October 9, 2007, at 22:29:43

Two words. Heavy metals.

Mercury. Childhood vaccinations, present or past amalgams, amalgams under crowns, environment.

Lead. Environment. Cigarettes.

Antimony. Fire retardant in clothes, bedsheets and towels.

Cadmium. Environment. Cigarettes.

Copper. Genetics, genetics vitamins that have copper, copper water pipes.

Mercury and lead stay where they are for life, occupying the spaces where neurotransmitters, enzymes, hormones, vitamins and minerals are supposed to be.

Where do metals like to reside? Not the blood. Not the urine. They seek brain, adrenal gland, thyroid gland, pituitary, hypothalamus, intestines, nervous system. Where they quietly prevent vital life functions while in hiding.

Typical symptoms are psychiatric and usually diagnosed as multiple schlerosis, depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, foggy headed, ADHD, multiple chemical sensitivities, multiple food sensitivities, autism (incredible success stories abound of autistic children healing astronimically with specific metal detox chelation methods) and many more. People may have one or several. Genetics play a huge part in how well people excrete or hold on to metals, as well as how people are sensitive or somewhat immune.

Testing is tricky. Few doctors know how. Few doctors even believe heavy metals are involved in anything unless someone is clearly recently intoxicated and in the emergency room.

Amalgam Illness could very well be the best next drug you try, even though it is a book instead of a drug. Scientific, medical, yet written for you and me. If in doubt about anything I say here, please I beg you to visit at least half a dozen of the forums out there on heavy metal chelation. Search the web for excerpts of the book. I do not know the author or have anything to do with the book. Second only to my real Bible, it is a kind of bible for anyone who is ill enough to end up at psychobabble.

These things contribute to psychiatric conditions...light exposure, diet choices, exercise choices, jobs, marriages, childhoods, genetics, addictions, etc. They do not outrightly cause psychiatric stuff in a way that throws so many bodily functions out of whack. Heavy metals do.

A total stranger came up to my wife in church and said she knew of my problems and she knew that my silver fillings were the cause. A total stranger. God spoke. I am merely passing it along.

After that, I continued with my drug search, hope after hope, drug after drug, ECT, side effects after side effects, titrating after titrating, weaning after weaning, augmenting after augmenting, withdrawal after withdrawal, days, weeks, months, years. Actually 2 years later after that lady spoke, it became apparent through specific physical exams, symptoms, hair tests, and blood tests, that I was indeed mercury and lead toxic. For 2 years I had refused to believe the nonsense of heavy metals. I was absolutely totally convinced the next drug was the answer. The phsycical, blood, and hair tests would have looked mostly normal to any doctor. But with the patterns discussed in the book, they were quite revealing and strongly diagnostic.

There are good days. There are bad days. Chelation done wrong is dangerous. Almost all doctors do it wrong. Most sources on the internet do it wrong. One method is trustworthy. By "wrong", "dangerous", or "trustworthy", I mean verifiable by talking to those who have done different methods at various chelation forums and backfire.com. Clear patterns are obvious. It is a roller coaster to get there. But none more than what you have already experienced. You would never imagine you could feel that good without any drug at all. The good days are better than you can ever remember, the bad days are familiar to you, as the good days begin to outnumber the bad. The metals do not leave the cells without a fight.

Just a guess. As a 10 year vet of psychobabble, it is my true honest to God hunch that 75% of us actually have heavy metal toxicity as the true single one-and-only underlying cause of every torture we endure. It doesn't matter if you've had low level chronic hidden unsuspected exposure for years, or whether you had several exposures decades ago as a child, those metals are still there wreaking quiet hidden havoc in ways that would stun you.

If this helps just one person on a new road to true healing, I am ever so grateful. Nothing on this planet causes the kind of psychiatric struggle seen at psychobabble as do heavy metals.

Do not underestimate heavy metals as the cause of your condition. All we suffer is actually a slow death, not an illness. It can be stopped and reversed. Merely treating symptoms, increasing serotonin, antagonizing dopamine, blocking glutamate, or whatever, aint gonna do it. Those are battles that go on and on and on. Thankfully, a few people, very few, do get lucky. That happens in Las Vegas too.

Two words. Heavy metals.

One word. Curative.

 

Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by War-Face on October 9, 2007, at 22:32:30

In reply to Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition, posted by bleauberry on October 9, 2007, at 19:17:48

This is very interesting, and I honestly do not doubt it. In fact, I am starting to think beyond "natural chemical imbalances" as the root of my depression, into things such as thyroid problems or other diseases/conditions. This is one more thing to think about.

Can you talk about chelation, and what is successful or safe chelation? I know nothing about this.

 

Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by bleauberry on October 10, 2007, at 21:56:44

In reply to Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition, posted by War-Face on October 9, 2007, at 22:32:30

It is eye opening how many autopsies reveal elevated mercury and lead in people who lived with psychiatric problems and how little mercury and lead is found in others who did not have psychiatric or neuromuscular problems.

As for learning more about chelation, I would suggest doing a google search on Andy Cutler, or Amalgam Illness, or Andy Cutler autism, and read everything you can find from that search. Do not embark on chelation without the book Amalgam Illness.

I mentioned the word autism because an astounding number of autistic children are seeing dramatic improvements by mercury chelation, as the link is beginning to be seen between the epidemic of autism coinciding with childhood vaccinations, which contain mercury as a preservative. Andy Cutler answers hundreds of questions on forums about all this stuff and you should be able to find them by including the word autism in your search along with his name.

 

Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by alan2102 on October 11, 2007, at 14:26:37

In reply to Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition, posted by War-Face on October 9, 2007, at 22:32:30

> Can you talk about chelation, and what is
> successful or safe chelation? I know nothing
> about this.

Big subject.

For lead, consider oral EDTA (google for
phrase).

For mercury, glutathione precursors; big
subject, but in brief: thiamine, B12,
MSM sulfur, taurine, ascorbic acid, and
more.

 

Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by alan2102 on October 11, 2007, at 14:32:54

In reply to Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition, posted by bleauberry on October 9, 2007, at 22:29:43


> various chelation forums and backfire.com.

backfire.com redirects to
http://www.trendfire.com/html/english/

I also tried backfire.org; no luck.

> it is my true honest to God hunch that 75% of
> us actually have heavy metal toxicity as the
> true single one-and-only underlying cause of
> every torture we endure.

Seems a stretch. But you may be right that it
is a much bigger problem than is commonly
recognized.

Alan

 

Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition

Posted by bleauberry on October 11, 2007, at 21:56:56

In reply to Re: Don't Underestimate the Cause of Our Condition, posted by alan2102 on October 11, 2007, at 14:26:37

> > Can you talk about chelation, and what is
> > successful or safe chelation? I know nothing
> > about this.
>
> Big subject.
>
> For lead, consider oral EDTA (google for
> phrase).
>
> For mercury, glutathione precursors; big
> subject, but in brief: thiamine, B12,
> MSM sulfur, taurine, ascorbic acid, and
> more.
>
>

No. For lead, DMSA is far more effective.

And no, wrong on all accounts for the supplements. Most of them are sulfury. That stirs up mercury but doesn't excrete well. Cystein in the blood must be lab measured before messing with glutathione. Serious risks otherwise. The last thing a toxic person wants to do is stir up the mercury and have it redistribute to other places in the body. None of those supplements are powerful enough to escort the mercury straight to the kidneys or liver. A lot will be lost along the way and god knows where it will end up.

For some only slightly toxic, or for someone who is healthy and wants to beef up their natural toxic excretion, those supplements are good. But with someone where the amount of their toxicity is high, or unsure, very risky stuff.

No method is safe. But of them all, the one that is most effective and extremely safe is DMSA 12.5mg to 50mg every four hours around the clock for a few days, with an equal amount of days off, in repeating rounds. After 2 to 3 months when body mercury is reduced, then add alpha lipoic acid at 6mg to 50mg with the DMSA and change the dosing schedule to every 3 hours around the clock. That includes waking up at night for your dose. The reason is to follow the halflives of the drugs and prevent restribution of the mercury that they have picked up. A steady blood level of the drugs is crucial for safety.

None of those supplements pull mercury out of the brain. They are not chelators, scientifically. Do not put your health in the hands of some fantastically written theory on some website that looks to be the most credible thing you ever saw. I admit they are really really good at that.

DMSA removes lead and mercury from the body but not the brain. ALA removes it from the brain. None of those supplements mentioned are chelators, in the terms of treating a toxic patient. Good for general health protection against a toxic world, yes, unless you are already toxic. Then, bad idea.

Vitamin C. Excellent. It is not a chelator though. But it can signifantly reduce the symptoms of toxicity, though not toxicity itself, and any side effects of chelation. It will help you feel better but that's as far as it goes with C.

Too much internet nonsense out there that really hurts people.

Sorry I gave the wrong info on backfire sites. There are actually several. One is DMPSbackfire.com. Find others by typing "backfire chelation", or "backfire cilantro", and so on, in a google search. Or, type in "chelation forum", "mercury forum", "dmsa forum", and so on. See what real patients have to say.


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