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omega 3 overdose dangerous

Posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 11:13:24

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acids

"the possibility of hemorrhagic stroke" is what bothers me in the list of side effects.

Instead of just taking a few dozen a day, perhaps I'll stick to the 3 a day recommended on the bottle from now on.

Larry Hover, where are you? Didn't you tell us before we should jam down as many of these pills as possible, and nothing could go wrong? My memory isn't too sharp, so actual post content may vary.

 

Re: omega 3 overdose dangerous » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2004, at 11:49:41

In reply to omega 3 overdose dangerous, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 11:13:24

> http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acids
>
> "the possibility of hemorrhagic stroke" is what bothers me in the list of side effects.

I wish that falsehood would just dry up and blow away. It is wrong. Not based on evidence. Bogus.

> Instead of just taking a few dozen a day, perhaps I'll stick to the 3 a day recommended on the bottle from now on.

No reason to do that. There are populations that consume over 20 grams of EPA/DHA daily, without adverse effect.

> Larry Hover, where are you?

Why, I'm right here.

> Didn't you tell us before we should jam down as many of these pills as possible, and nothing could go wrong?

Correct, almost. To the point of intolerance. Some people get digestive complaints..... And I didn't ever mean to imply bottles-full at a time.

> My memory isn't too sharp, so actual post content may vary.

The factoid (a term I like, invented by a friend of mine, to describe unsubstantiated facts, like "old wive's tales") that fish oil can lead to hemorrhagic stroke actually arises from a single paper, written in the 1970's, describing mortality statistics for a population of Greenland Eskimos (Inuit), and comparing those figures to the Danish. It was found that hemorrhagic stroke was more likely in the Eskimos, and they eat more fish, and fish affects clotting parameters, so......let's blame it on the fish.

However, it has been clearly shown that no other population eating high quantities of fish has that problem. It has also been clearly shown that the problem aggregates in specific families. It has also been clearly shown that the problem is actually one of a genetic defect in artery wall construction, actually localized to a single region of the brain, leading to catastrophic rupture. It's a problem of genetic inbreeding (the founder effect), not from eating fish.

Yes, fish oil reduces clotting tendencies. But only if your clotting tendency is too high to begin with. The problem is that most people's blood is far too likely to clot in the first place (that's why heart attack and occlusive stroke are so common). Fish oil helps restore normal clotting parameters, but it will not do more than balance things out. It will not cause you to bleed to death. It will just keep your blood from coagulating abnormally (which is typical today, seen as normal, but actually abnormal).

Here are two full-text articles which clearly show that omega-3 PUFA intake is **NOT** related to hemorrhagic stroke incidence. Period. End of story.

http://stroke.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/33/8/2086?ijkey=e89900b331f3ae87567a16d6f2a7906f6f43eeda

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/327/7418/777

 

Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Larry Hoover

Posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 12:02:48

In reply to Re: omega 3 overdose dangerous » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Larry Hoover on January 4, 2004, at 11:49:41

Oh, now I remember. Someone asked that before didn't they? Doh!

Thanks for clearing that up.

I take anywhere from 4 to 8 per meal, 3 or 4 times a day. I probably need to start paying attention to how many I chuck down.

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Any opinions about primrose, valerian, or any other thing that helps anxiety? Someone should start a list of every single anti-anxiety thing there is, and then summarize stuff about it, and link to various post people can discuse it.

I was thinking of trying L tyrosine and primrose, and maybe valerian.

This is what I'm currently using:
Magnesium Taurate 400 mg
ActiSorb Potassium 99 mg
Complexed Phosphorus 200 mg
Chelated Zinc, 30 mg
boron
Biotin - 50mcg
Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg
CO Q 10 150mg
E 1000 IU
Selenium 200mcg
B12 1000mcg
Vitamin B complex
choline
vitamin k

 

Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by clairey on January 4, 2004, at 14:28:15

In reply to Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Larry Hoover, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 12:02:48

> Oh, now I remember. Someone asked that before didn't they? Doh!
>
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> I take anywhere from 4 to 8 per meal, 3 or 4 times a day. I probably need to start paying attention to how many I chuck down.
>
> ------
>
> Any opinions about primrose, valerian, or any other thing that helps anxiety? Someone should start a list of every single anti-anxiety thing there is, and then summarize stuff about it, and link to various post people can discuse it.
>
> I was thinking of trying L tyrosine and primrose, and maybe valerian.
>
> This is what I'm currently using:
> Magnesium Taurate 400 mg
> ActiSorb Potassium 99 mg
> Complexed Phosphorus 200 mg
> Chelated Zinc, 30 mg
> boron
> Biotin - 50mcg
> Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg
> CO Q 10 150mg
> E 1000 IU
> Selenium 200mcg
> B12 1000mcg
> Vitamin B complex
> choline
> vitamin k
>
>

Valerian is good for sleep! as it makes u feel a bit drowsy which is fab!! but isnt really any good for that day time anxiety.
Take it with passiflora and it will work even better!!

something called 'relora' is good, i like it.

i tried something called 'stabilium' but it was utter c*** so dont buy that!!

i have found a product with inositol, gaba and niacinamide in it!!

Inositol in higher doses can be a life saver for anxiety, depression and even OCD!!! its a vitamin B and it raises serotonin levels. People use up to 18g (yes grams) a day and even 50 grams is shown to be safe! so knock ya self out

Gaba is a claming amino acid, doesnt cross the brain barrier but with inositol and niacinamide in it, it will have an effect!

Niacinamide is another vitamin B, supposed to bind the same receptors as those dreaded drugs like valium!! can take up to 2000mg a day (be careful not to ever get NIACIN as its toxic in high doses)
So all 3 should suit you well!
It says take up to 5! but you can take more than that as all the 3 ingrediants are taken in much higher doses and are ok.

Get that from www.lifesvigor.com!!
Its the greatest site i have ever seen!!! there is tons of stuff and its all dirt cheap!! (by the way i dont work for them im just letting you know as i think its a good site if u arent rich.

Good luck!!

 

Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » clairey

Posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 16:39:02

In reply to Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Wolf Dreamer, posted by clairey on January 4, 2004, at 14:28:15

Has the inositol, etc., totally elimated your anxiety?

Do you go a day without worrying about every possible thing, no matter how rediculous, that could ever happen to you? I've tried so many things that people said worked for them... I guess I'll just keep trying more until I find the right one for me.

 

Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by clairey on January 5, 2004, at 4:40:55

In reply to Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » clairey, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 16:39:02

> Has the inositol, etc., totally elimated your anxiety?
>
> Do you go a day without worrying about every possible thing, no matter how rediculous, that could ever happen to you? I've tried so many things that people said worked for them... I guess I'll just keep trying more until I find the right one for me.
>
>

No it hasnt as i havent tried it yet! but i have ordered some and suggest you try it too.

In studies they used 18g against prozac for ocd and the inositol was better than the prozac!!!

So if you get the right brand you should do good!!! all the forums i have read where people have tried it for anxiety love it.

its also good for SSRI withdrawel and if you have ever responded well to the SSRI'S then inositol should be good.

Also if you dont want to try that take L-TRYPTOPHAN it raises serotonin levels too!! doctors even prescribe it if you have had bad luck with antidepressants for 2 years or more!!
But you can get it on the web.
There was a bad batch in the 80's from japan, but that was a long time ago now and many use it and love it! so try this one if the inositol doesnt work or first of all if u like.

They also do 5htp which is like L-tryptophan but the side effects i hear from that can be a horrid!!
dont wanna try that as it can be harsh on the stomach!! and i have a stomach disorder :(

Many anxiety probs are related to lack of serotonin as is depression, if your anxiety is due to lack of serotoin then the above should help you!!

oh yeah!! i have have that constant worry too!! it drives me loopy!!! i have tried alot of things, herbs arent any good! apart from velerian for sleep. Liquid kava kava might be great for every now and again!! let me know if you find any of that stuff!!

Just gradually increase the dosages so you dont get too anxious and give it at least 1-2 months to work!!

good luck honey!
claire :)

 

Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » clairey

Posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 5, 2004, at 7:57:03

In reply to Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » Wolf Dreamer, posted by clairey on January 5, 2004, at 4:40:55

I tried tryptophan with great results for a few days, then it did nothing at all after that.

SSRI? I just looked it up and it says:
SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors)—SSRIs are a class of antidepressant medications. They work by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, which is believed to help to relieve the symptoms of depression.

Never took any of those. I don't have depression though, and haven't since I was a teenager being bullied constantly.

 

Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you?

Posted by john1022 on January 5, 2004, at 8:09:53

In reply to Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » clairey, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 5, 2004, at 7:57:03

"Never took any of those. I don't have depression though, and haven't since I was a teenager being bullied constantly."

SSRI's are used to treat anxiety disorders as well. Some people take them soley for anxiety even if they don't have depression. I think Zoloft is on of the more commonly prescribed SSRI's for anxiety disorders. It might be worth looking into.

 

Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by clairey on January 5, 2004, at 8:13:10

In reply to Re: Inositol, etc... has it totally cured you? » clairey, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 5, 2004, at 7:57:03

> I tried tryptophan with great results for a few days, then it did nothing at all after that.
>
> SSRI? I just looked it up and it says:
> SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors)—SSRIs are a class of antidepressant medications. They work by increasing the level of serotonin in the brain, which is believed to help to relieve the symptoms of depression.
>
> Never took any of those. I don't have depression though, and haven't since I was a teenager being bullied constantly.
>
>

These drugs are for panic, anxiety and others too not just depression. they were originally used for depression but help with other things too.

What dosage were u on with the tryptophan?
you may have needed to increase.
If that helped its likely to be a serotonin problem, so give the inositol a try

 

Re: omega 3 overdose dangerous » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by Omega Woman on January 5, 2004, at 12:43:54

In reply to omega 3 overdose dangerous, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 11:13:24

I went a little omega 3 crazy a couple of years ago taking up to 8 a day. Theres a definite brick wall, the brain just starts to feel strained. I think 4 is the ideal maximum and thats of salmon oil which seems to have a real kick to it.

 

Re: thats too many omega 3 » Wolf Dreamer

Posted by Omega Woman on January 6, 2004, at 2:08:07

In reply to Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Larry Hoover, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 12:02:48

DO you really take all those drugs daily ? I have a friend who has gone herbal crazy. I said how do you know whats working and what is'nt. He did'nt have an answer.

Anyway that is far too much fish oil. You will give yourself muscular and liver stress. I used to take that many when I had acute problems with mental processing. If you feel you need it try Salmon oil which seems to work twice as well as other kinds. I tried about 6 other types and none of them seemed to work well because I had always used the Salmon oil.

 

Re: thats too many omega 3 » Omega Woman

Posted by psychlover on January 6, 2004, at 9:34:10

In reply to Re: thats too many omega 3 » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Omega Woman on January 6, 2004, at 2:08:07

Well, if Larry Hoover is correct, fish oil is safe even at the 20-30 pills a day mark. He has a lot of posts on this subject.

I am taking about 12 grams a day recently, and I hope this is not too much. I haven't noticed any probs, but I guess that's not proof of anything.

All the best,
psychlover

 

Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh!

Posted by sruli on September 3, 2007, at 22:55:01

In reply to Re: omega 3 overdose not dangerous Doh! » Larry Hoover, posted by Wolf Dreamer on January 4, 2004, at 12:02:48

The potassium probably isn't doing a thing for you. 99mg is not very significant, but it is the most that they can put in a supplement, larger amounts cause stomach upset. Better to eat a banana; you'll easily get 5x as much K, with other goodies, and no stomach upset.


> Oh, now I remember. Someone asked that before didn't they? Doh!
>
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> I take anywhere from 4 to 8 per meal, 3 or 4 times a day. I probably need to start paying attention to how many I chuck down.
>
> ------
>
> Any opinions about primrose, valerian, or any other thing that helps anxiety? Someone should start a list of every single anti-anxiety thing there is, and then summarize stuff about it, and link to various post people can discuse it.
>
> I was thinking of trying L tyrosine and primrose, and maybe valerian.
>
> This is what I'm currently using:
> Magnesium Taurate 400 mg
> ActiSorb Potassium 99 mg
> Complexed Phosphorus 200 mg
> Chelated Zinc, 30 mg
> boron
> Biotin - 50mcg
> Omega 3 fish oil 1000mg
> CO Q 10 150mg
> E 1000 IU
> Selenium 200mcg
> B12 1000mcg
> Vitamin B complex
> choline
> vitamin k
>
>


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