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deputies..

Posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 10:07:41

i think if a deputy posts a "please be civil" on a thread that should block them from commenting on the contents of the thread...
seems like a terrible conflict of interest...

 

Re: deputies.. » kninelover

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 11:53:43

In reply to deputies.., posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 10:07:41

> i think if a deputy posts a "please be civil" on a thread that should block them from commenting on the contents of the thread...
> seems like a terrible conflict of interest...
> †

So just to make sure I understand what you're suggesting....you think that a deputy's freedom to post should be limited or restricted in some way? In other words, someone who volunteers their time for no compensation while being subject to increased criticism should have their very posting freedom, that same freedom the other members enjoy and that the deputy enjoyed before volunteering to help out the site those same members are able to post freely at, they should have some sort of posting restriction?

So if someone posts something uncivil and that post needs addressing by a deputy, that situation someone else created should automatically preclude said deputy from posting on that thread/subject? Now that could represent a potential conflict of interest. Hmmmm, what's more important? Doing the job I volunteered to do? Or expressing my thoughts about something that interests me? Aw shucks. I'll just let this one go so I can say something, even if it's a pretty straightforward call on the civility of the post. Um, yeah.

So do I have this right? You're for limiting the posting freedom of deputies?

namasté

gg

 

Re: deputies..

Posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 12:02:42

In reply to Re: deputies.. » kninelover, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 11:53:43

yes...

if i am passing around dime bags of crack i make sure johnny left his hand cuffs on the bed post..

 

Re: deputies.. » gardenergirl

Posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:03:55

In reply to Re: deputies.. » kninelover, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 11:53:43

Deputy Ggirl

Previously you told me you did not give yourself a PBC when you violated the rules (posting someone's previous scrrenname after she changed it) because you chose not to take on a secondary role regaurding your own posts. Could you not also choose not to take on a secondary role in threads which you are participating either as poster or deputy? I think it would be nice :)

Have a namaste day!

Your friend

Zazenduckie


> > i think if a deputy posts a "please be civil" on a thread that should block them from commenting on the contents of the thread...
> > seems like a terrible conflict of interest...
> > †
>
> So just to make sure I understand what you're suggesting....you think that a deputy's freedom to post should be limited or restricted in some way? In other words, someone who volunteers their time for no compensation while being subject to increased criticism should have their very posting freedom, that same freedom the other members enjoy and that the deputy enjoyed before volunteering to help out the site those same members are able to post freely at, they should have some sort of posting restriction?
>
> So if someone posts something uncivil and that post needs addressing by a deputy, that situation someone else created should automatically preclude said deputy from posting on that thread/subject? Now that could represent a potential conflict of interest. Hmmmm, what's more important? Doing the job I volunteered to do? Or expressing my thoughts about something that interests me? Aw shucks. I'll just let this one go so I can say something, even if it's a pretty straightforward call on the civility of the post. Um, yeah.
>
> So do I have this right? You're for limiting the posting freedom of deputies?
>
> namasté
>
> gg
>
>

 

Re: deputies.. » zazenduckie

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 12:08:12

In reply to Re: deputies.. » gardenergirl, posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:03:55

I consider both roles and thus both types of posts (deputy posts and posts of my own) as equally important to me. Neither is secondary to the other, so I wouldn't know how to meet your request.

namasté

gg

 

charming visual » kninelover

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 12:09:56

In reply to Re: deputies.., posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 12:02:42

But thanks for the confirmation.

namasté

gg

 

but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl

Posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:20:22

In reply to Re: deputies.. » zazenduckie, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 12:08:12

why is this different than the time you said you wouldn't take on a secondary role? I believe you have misunderstood. You have informed me previously of your academic credentials ( and I AM impressed do you realize if you married yoyo ma you would be mrs yo yo ma MA?)so perhaps I have not stated my point with the precision to which you are accustomed. Please forgive me. I will try again. I am trying to say primary and secondary role occuring at the same time NOT primary and secondary as a value judgement.

In life one must often make choices.

namaste

> I consider both roles and thus both types of posts (deputy posts and posts of my own) as equally important to me. Neither is secondary to the other, so I wouldn't know how to meet your request.
>
> namasté
>
> gg
>
>

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;)

Posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 12:32:09

In reply to but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl, posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:20:22

point...
gg..you cant pbc this poster now for being sarcastic because you were too :)
or...thats the way i read it..
oopps, dropped my pipe†

 

I apologize to Admin for any percieved sarcasm!

Posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 14:42:58

In reply to but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl, posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:20:22

Truly I thought I was posting wittily and congenially. I am sorry if the possee or Bob reads it differently. Perhaps my wit did not sparkle with sufficient clarity.

Thoreau said many who are percieved as halfwitted are actually one and a halfwitted but there are those who miss the one and only see the half! I shall remedy this potential miscommunication at this time by stating clearly that the above post was written with 1.5 wit and 1.0 civility!


Please please please please please please do not assume a double role towards your friend yours truly and block me. I am innocent!

With all good wishes towards all I remain

Zazenduckie

Administration Board Welcomer

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » zazenduckie

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 17:47:12

In reply to but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl, posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 12:20:22

> why is this different than the time you said you wouldn't take on a secondary role?

In the prior situation, giving myself a PBC would be taking on a secondary role to myself. Making posts as a deputy and as a Babbler on the same thread is a different situation.

> I believe you have misunderstood. You have informed me previously of your academic credentials

...which I did in order to answer your question to me at the time that, a question that appeared to be in the same vein as your comments about Barbaro.

> ... I am trying to say primary and secondary role occuring at the same time NOT primary and secondary as a value judgement.

Just because someone does not agree with you does not automatically mean they didn't understand you. Posting as a deputy and as a Babbler are equal roles to me, and they can and do occur at the same time at times. There is no primary and secondary to it. Or if forced to label them, I would probably say posting as a Babbler was primary. That didn't change when I volunteered to help out here. But one role is not more important, valuable than the other. Neither takes precedence over the other, to me. Does one take precedence over the other to you?


> In life one must often make choices.
>

True, and also balance multiple demands in a way that's best for the individual. Still, why the need to make a choice in this situation?

Thanks for your feedback, zzd. I can tell you really care about Babble, and that can't be anything but good.

namasté

gg

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » kninelover

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 18:08:36

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 12:32:09

> point...
> gg..you cant pbc this poster now for being sarcastic because you were too :)
> or...thats the way i read it..
> oopps, dropped my pipe†

I do not get your point about how one person's perceived sarcasm might somehow subsequently influence what they can or cannot do. I'm not saying I've never been sarcastic, however, that has nothing to do with taking action about someone else's post, if warranted. In addition, whether I choose to take action in any situation or not is always my choice, and there are a number of reasons why I might choose to defer. I'm thinking of a specific reason to defer action right now, as a matter of fact. http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#have-to

I don't know what post of mine you're referring to that you read as sarcasm. I'm not sure how anyonen can actually decide what is and what is not sarcasm in this medium, but that is neither here nor there. If you have a concern about a post of mine being sarcastic, you are free to use the notify administration webform at the bottom of the page. Or you could email Dr. Bob directly if you are concerned that there might be some conflict of interest for a deputy to see a notification about one of her posts.

namasté

gg

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl

Posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 18:25:07

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » kninelover, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 18:08:36

"you cant pbc this poster now for being sarcastic because you were too :)"...
i am having such troubles being understood ..
this quote should have read "if you pbc someone on this thread, i would see it as a conflict in which my first post to this thread was concerning"
..

 

I miss Barbaro *sadness* triggers

Posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 18:31:06

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » zazenduckie, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 17:47:12

barbaro was a wonderful creature

Rest in Peace beautiful Barbaro

I'm sorry that happened to you


 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl

Posted by zazenduckie on April 17, 2007, at 19:15:57

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » zazenduckie, posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 17:47:12

> > why is this different than the time you said you wouldn't take on a secondary role?
>
> In the prior situation, giving myself a PBC would be taking on a secondary role to myself. Making posts as a deputy and as a Babbler on the same thread is a different situation.

Different but same principle. Just giving others the same consideration as yourself. Not taking on a secondary role to your fellow thread participants. See Golden Rule in faq



>
> > ... I am trying to say primary and secondary role occuring at the same time NOT primary and secondary as a value judgement.
>
> Just because someone does not agree with you does not automatically mean they didn't understand you.

I don't feel understood :-(


>Posting as a deputy and as a Babbler are equal roles to me, and they can and do occur at the same time at times.

and so the reason you can't PBC yourself would be......

>There is no primary and secondary to it. Or if forced to label them, I would probably say posting as a Babbler was primary. That didn't change when I volunteered to help out here. But one role is not more important, valuable than the other. Neither takes precedence over the other, to me. Does one take precedence over the other to you?


I don't understand the question. Obviously your deputy role has more potential to damage me , my friends, or my community than your role as poster. I think your feelings about individual posters do influence your decisions as a deputy whether consciously or not. That's just human. Isn't that why you were asked to consider not deputying in threads you are participating in?

>
>
> > In life one must often make choices.
> >
>
> True, and also balance multiple demands in a way that's best for the individual. Still, why the need to make a choice in this situation?

Why the need to excuse yourself from the same penalties you inflict on others?

>
> Thanks for your feedback, zzd. I can tell you really care about Babble, and that can't be anything but good.
>

Yes I do care. Thanks for your vote of confidence. Babble can be such a good thing but there have also been tragic outcomes because of the administrative policies. I don't think the community BELONGS to Bob, I think he's the landlord. I appreciate all that he does but the community belongs to US all of US. So I speak up although I am less and less open as are so many. I believe you care too but obviously we disagree about many things.

 

Actually I'm sure I got the message loud and clear » kninelover

Posted by gardenergirl on April 17, 2007, at 23:24:29

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl, posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 18:25:07

Thanks for sharing.

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;)

Posted by Fivefires on April 19, 2007, at 11:47:50

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » gardenergirl, posted by kninelover on April 17, 2007, at 18:25:07

If I am understanding correctly, think issue is ...

A deputy could use his/her authority in their personal interest.

I don't think any of you would do such a thing.

But then, I've not always been the best judge of character in my life.

5f

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;)

Posted by Honore on April 19, 2007, at 16:40:15

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by Fivefires on April 19, 2007, at 11:47:50

I see no inherent contradiction in a deputy's giving a PBC in a thread and posting substantively in the same thread.

A deputy has two roles, one as deputy and one as poster. GG, or any deputy, may have valuable contributions to a thread in which someone was uncivil. What is the contradiction?

If someone feels that a deputy was issuing the PBC because the person contradicted or disagreed with her-- but was entirely civil, and the deputy was using the PBC somehow vindictively, or to further her own agenda, that could easily, and civilly, be pointed out.

It might be a valid issue, and should be given thoght.

But why throw out the baby with the bathwater nad block deputies from full participation in babble-- I personally would like to see much more of it than currently occurs.

The case of giving oneself a PBC is in no way comparable. I really can't see the parallel, because while gg (or any deputy) is acting in different "roles" as poster and deputy. it's a very different matter to turn reflexively and act as a deputy to oneself. Judges do not sit as judges in their own trials; a lawyer who respresents himself has a fool for a client, etc-- it simply is not to be expected for someone to act as a deputy re: their own contributions, and entirely appropriate for another deputy to take on that role.

I value the deputies here, as deputies, but more importantly as posters-- and if there's anything we can do to encourage them to feel safe in posting, I'd like us to do it.

Honore

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » Honore

Posted by 10derHeart on April 19, 2007, at 18:02:03

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by Honore on April 19, 2007, at 16:40:15

Honore,

I'd like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for posting this. I've been wanting to contribute to this topic, but could never figure out how to write a coherent explanation, saying what I was thinking. But you just did - and it far exceeds anything I could have come up with anyway.

I'll go out on a limb (won't have to go out very far - maybe a centimeter ;-) and say I do speak for all the deputies when I say this post and your support means a great deal. Seems like I should say more...but I'm at a loss for words. That happens when I'm touched by something special :-)

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » Honore

Posted by Gabbi-2 on April 19, 2007, at 18:04:39

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by Honore on April 19, 2007, at 16:40:15

I agree Honore, I think even if it was tempting (and I don't believe it is) for a deputy to wield the enormous power of the P.B.C to further their own interests, and possibly change the course of their very existance (yup more sarcasm)
It would not be worth the tedious speculation, hue and cry that would likely ensue if that were even suspected.

 

Conflict of interest?

Posted by Declan on April 19, 2007, at 19:19:20

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » Honore, posted by 10derHeart on April 19, 2007, at 18:02:03

In the unlikely event that I was ever a deputy, I would get a lot of enjoyment from giving myself a PBC.

 

Re: Conflict of interest? » Declan

Posted by gardenergirl on April 19, 2007, at 21:23:04

In reply to Conflict of interest?, posted by Declan on April 19, 2007, at 19:19:20

My momma always said that would make me go blind...

;)

 

Is PBC some kind of midwestern euphimism? » gardenergirl

Posted by zazenducke on April 20, 2007, at 12:44:07

In reply to Re: Conflict of interest? » Declan, posted by gardenergirl on April 19, 2007, at 21:23:04

> My momma always said that would make me go blind...
>
> ;)

giving yourself a PBC? would make you go blind?


what did she say about giving them to others????

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww


please PLEASE never NEVER EVER give me another!!!


I feel repulsed and yet strangely stimulated


I'm Me Everyone Else Can Deal!!!

 

PBCing yourself » Honore

Posted by AuntieMel on April 20, 2007, at 14:51:35

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by Honore on April 19, 2007, at 16:40:15

I think it would look a bit strange to pbc yourself.

But on one occasion I said something I thought might get me one and then emailed the other deputies to feel free to do it.

 

Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » Honore

Posted by gardenergirl on April 21, 2007, at 9:45:19

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;), posted by Honore on April 19, 2007, at 16:40:15

I know 10derheart spoke for all of us, eloquently I might add, but I wanted to add my own thanks. Your words meant a great deal to me at a vulnerable time.

Thank you for saying them.

Namaste

gg

 

Amen to that! (nm) » Gabbi-2

Posted by gardenergirl on April 21, 2007, at 9:46:14

In reply to Re: but you saaaaaaaaid.........;) » Honore, posted by Gabbi-2 on April 19, 2007, at 18:04:39


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