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Re: Since you've been over the board

Posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 21:17:08

In reply to Re: Since you've been over the board » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 20:57:41

> > Within the context it occurred...
> >
> > I thought it fairly likely that the notion was that preventing throwing up can be useful with respect to taking OD's for what I would have thought were fairly obvious reasons...
>
> That's how I took it. And that's why I commented as I did.

What if I meant substance abuse? That is perfectly ok, even though it is on the wrong board. What's the different between taking an excess of X to abuse it and taking an excess of X to self harm? Would discussing the later result in a PBC or block and not the former?...even though they are exactly the same thing?

Deneb

 

Re: Since you've been over the board » Deneb

Posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 21:28:11

In reply to Re: Since you've been over the board, posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 21:17:08

> > > Within the context it occurred...
> > >
> > > I thought it fairly likely that the notion was that preventing throwing up can be useful with respect to taking OD's for what I would have thought were fairly obvious reasons...
> >
> > That's how I took it. And that's why I commented as I did.
>
> What if I meant substance abuse? That is perfectly ok, even though it is on the wrong board.

I don't agree that it is perfectly okay. And the intent of the substance board is not to educate people on how to go about it. It is to help people manage substance abuse problems that would otherwise make life unmanageable, alone or in combination with mental health and treatment concerns.

> What's the different between taking an excess of X to abuse it and taking an excess of X to self harm?

I don't see a difference. Taking a drug you are not prescribed, or in a dose you are not prescribed, is both abuse and de facto evidence of intentional (or negligent) self-harm.

> Would discussing the later result in a PBC or block and not the former?...even though they are exactly the same thing?
>
> Deneb

Suggesting is one thing. General terms are not blockable, as I understand it. In general terms, your idea was neither one I would encourage, nor condone.

As I tried to make clear, you were heading for territory that leads to blocks, by the nature of your inquiry. I did my best to limit that discussion.

Lar

 

Re: Since you've been over the board

Posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 21:36:32

In reply to Re: Since you've been over the board » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on May 28, 2005, at 21:28:11

> As I tried to make clear, you were heading for territory that leads to blocks, by the nature of your inquiry. I did my best to limit that discussion.
>
> Lar

Thanks Lar for trying to protect me. :-)
I don't know if I'm always thinking rationally. I trust you. You're very smart.

 

...

Posted by chemist on May 28, 2005, at 21:39:40

In reply to Re: Thank-you Chemist (nm) » chemist, posted by Deneb on May 28, 2005, at 20:28:23

hello all...i am not a champion of advertising the merits of overdosing on medication and/or substance abuse...the post i made was very specific to inquiries inclusive of a very effective and OTC antiemetic...

the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...

that is all i wanted to note, and should have written: Gravol is not known to induce vomiting when taken concurrently with Tylenol #3, nor is the combination contraindicated by the manufacturers of either substance. in fact, Gravol is a drug used to prevent vomiting and is available OTC. however, neither Gravol or Tylenol #3 should be used in any manner other than as directed by the manufacturer and in consultation with your prescribing physician.

if the question was ``is it safe to drink alcohol while using xanax?'' i would not have replied - at all - nor would the identities of either alcohol or xanax be unknown to many if not all denizens of PB...all the best, chemist

 

Re: ... » chemist

Posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12

In reply to ..., posted by chemist on May 28, 2005, at 21:39:40

> the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...

Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.

 

Re: ... » alexandra_k

Posted by 10derHeart on May 29, 2005, at 0:07:56

In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12


> Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.

Point very well taken. That was my serious concern as well.
Without getting too far into it and thus turning out sounding utterly hypocritical,
There was a past time in my life
When xxx....well, you get the idea.

Thus, that's why I also agree when you wrote...

>> I'd prefer people didn't post ways in which to harm or attempt to harm themselves on the boards.

I want all posters to feel free to vent
To express pain
To say what's on their minds
Certainly to discuss suicidal urges/thoughts/feelings
But there have to be boundaries
Boundaries are *very* important for safety of all
Including, absolutely, those very posters who may wish to post about these specifics.
IMO, not doing so could end up helping as much as being freely allowed to do so.
I'm no expert, and can't back that up scientifically or anything.
Just my personal opinion on what's best for the community at Babble.

Is there a rule or FAQ in place about posting about "ways?" I think not, but I miss things a lot...

 

Re: ... » alexandra_k

Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28

In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by alexandra_k on May 28, 2005, at 23:13:12

> > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
>
> Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.

...or any person who is visually-impaired or unable to read English or French: the package containing Gravol is headed by a large-font title, followed by the English and French descriptors Anti-Nauseant'' and ``Anti-naus\'ees'' (pardon my accent acute).

the manufacturer - on their website, available in English and French translations - is bold enough to claim that ``Across Canada, GRAVOL is considered the gold standard as an all-purpose general anti-nauseant.'' assuming this is accurate, residents of countries other than Canada are now thus informed that they cannot obtain this wonderful product.

what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist

 

Re: ... » chemist

Posted by Gabbi-x-2 on May 29, 2005, at 1:20:35

In reply to Re: ... » alexandra_k, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28

> > > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
> >
> > Pretty useful information for somebody wanting to know xxx.
>
*sigh*

Hi Chemist

I know you would not knowingly advise someone on how to effectively OD, and I've seen you refuse to do it at least twice before.

 

Re: ... » chemist

Posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 1:50:41

In reply to Re: ... » alexandra_k, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 0:30:28

> what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist

I now know that I shouldn't have posted the question...I already know the answer. I just wanted to know if an OTC anti-emetic is as effective as I've heard a certain prescription anti-emetic is. What do you mean by "something is very amiss?" I AM in Canada.

I'm sorry for posting the question. I thought my question was ok, but since it is so controversial I won't post anything like that again. (I hope)

 

Re: ... » Deneb

Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 2:49:07

In reply to Re: ... » chemist, posted by Deneb on May 29, 2005, at 1:50:41

> > what is most interesting to me is that a person who claims to be a resident of Canada and is able to read and write in English has posted such a query at all...something is very amiss, in my opinion, and it is not related to Gravol, Tylenol #3, or whether or not i am nauseated right now...tschuss, chemist
>
> I now know that I shouldn't have posted the question...I already know the answer. I just wanted to know if an OTC anti-emetic is as effective as I've heard a certain prescription anti-emetic is. What do you mean by "something is very amiss?" I AM in Canada.
>
> I'm sorry for posting the question. I thought my question was ok, but since it is so controversial I won't post anything like that again. (I hope)
>

hello there, chemist here...the ``something is very amiss'' was in reference to what you have cleared, just above...i.e., you knew the answer and there was/is more to the question...there are different brand names for common OTC/rx products that might be cause for alarm (or, equally worrisome, no alarm) if unknown to the parties involved...

hence my post: my point - sadly, ignored and/or missed entirely by almost all who responded - was that Gravol is actually, truly, really a product that inhibits vomiting...frankly, your post would have drawn little to no attention if you instead rambled on about washing down a tablet of Pax with some red wine: you might be mistaken for a good Catholic instead of a South African resident (for instance) wishing to mix diazepam with ethanol...

all the best and i certainly do not feel your question was/is controversial, nor will i supply any information other than ``it says so on the label,'' and of course i encourage you to walk away from any intentions that are injurious to yourself or others....be well, yours, chemist

 

Re: Since you've been over the board

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 10:13:56

In reply to Since you've been over the board, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2005, at 17:59:05

My question was purely based on wanting to understand the rules. Both as a deputy, and as someone who may someday want to post something about plans, and who has hitherto had a certain understanding of the limitations allowed in that.

Also (and I hesitate to post this), my understanding based on the ingredients included in gravol is that... well, never mind. I don't want to post it. But my understanding is that gravol itself is not as harmless as candy, how's that.

 

Re: medication combinations

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38

In reply to Since you've been over the board, posted by Dinah on May 28, 2005, at 17:59:05

> it's ok to post medication combinations that may be dangerous, so long as you leave out specific doseages?

All medication combinations may be dangerous? In some ways, I think it's more problematic when the question's answered than when it's asked...

Bob

 

Re: medication combinations » Dr. Bob

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:20:26

In reply to Re: medication combinations, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38

So asking a question is always ok? With doseages or without?

Answering a question is not ok? With doseages?

 

Re: please be civil » chemist

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01

In reply to ..., posted by chemist on May 28, 2005, at 21:39:40

> the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...

Please don't discuss specific ways of harming oneself.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Thanks,

Bob

 

What???? » Dr. Bob

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:25:08

In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01

I'm totally confused now.

Could you please start from scratch and give a full overview of your position on this topic?

 

Re: What???? » Dinah

Posted by alexandra_k on May 29, 2005, at 18:01:23

In reply to What???? » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 14:25:08

Maybe it is to do with...

It is okay to ask

But it isn't okay to post information that a poster could use to harm themselves

Which is basically whether it is okay to answer...

 

Re: medication combinations » Dr. Bob

Posted by jay on May 29, 2005, at 18:38:59

In reply to Re: medication combinations, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:18:38

> > it's ok to post medication combinations that may be dangerous, so long as you leave out specific doseages?
>
> All medication combinations may be dangerous? In some ways, I think it's more problematic when the question's answered than when it's asked...
>
> Bob

Bob...a part of me does believe in 'rational' suicide. But I really don't think it is a good idea to allow the exchange of lethal drug combinations, or way's to harm one self. Yes, there are many other websites that contain this information, but is this site not about attaining good mental health? Or is it just exchange of information? I don't have the answers...I'd like to continue to see us discuss this issue though.

Sincerely,
Jay

 

Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob

Posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 20:11:38

In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01

> > the question ``will i vomit if i take Gravol and [insert noun here]?'' is xxx...
>
> Please don't discuss specific ways of harming oneself.


*** sorry, i will stay clear....all the best, chemist ***


>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob

 

I really do need you to explain in full » Dr. Bob

Posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 20:53:53

In reply to Re: please be civil » chemist, posted by Dr. Bob on May 29, 2005, at 14:24:01

I'm asking as a deputy who needs to understand the rules.

I'm asking on board because it might be useful for other people to understand as well.

I certainly didn't expect Chemist to get a PBC for the answer he gave.

 

Re: I agree with Dinah, Dr. Bob

Posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31

In reply to I really do need you to explain in full » Dr. Bob, posted by Dinah on May 29, 2005, at 20:53:53

I mean - the medication he was talking about was one that is supposed to be anti-nausea.

 

Me, too. Very puzzled on what's okay (nm)

Posted by 10derHeart on May 30, 2005, at 17:00:13

In reply to Re: I agree with Dinah, Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31

 

Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob

Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 21:35:56

In reply to Re: I agree with Dinah, Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on May 30, 2005, at 16:32:31

I decided to post this here because I don't want to bother you too much by sending you an e-mail. I just want to say that I'm very very sorry if I've made you uncomfortable at any time with any of my posts...especially with those that talk about how hurt I am/will be, by blocks...like this one:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050525/msgs/503987.html

I just want you to know that I don't deserve any special leeway whatsoever just because of how upset I can get because of getting blocked. Like I mentioned before, neither I ,nor my family will ever blame you or this site if anything bad should happen to me because of something that happened here.

Also, I am still extremely sorry for sending you two very inappropriate e-mails a while ago. I've lost the very bad note I wrote, but I promise I will find it and destroy it promptly. It is still in my room somewhere...I'm sure I will destroy it before I die. (Not that I'm going to die anytime soon, but no one knows when they are going to die, so I better do it soon.)

I cross my heart, hope to die and stick a needle in my eye promise that I will try to not be so crazy so that I can go to the babble party in Toronto next year and not do something like try to jump off a certain very very tall building.

I really really wish I could say that I'll be ok when I get blocked, but I can't...but *please* never let this be a reason to not block me because it is not fair to other people. I really hope you understand what I am saying.

Thanks for listening

jenny

 

Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob

Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:24:33

In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 21:35:56

I know I'm simply a speck of dust in this universe. I am no more important to you or this place than lint. I know my life is insignificant here. I apologize for thinking that you would even be bothered by me a tiny little bit. Just know that I'm very sorry that I've wasted your time in attempting to apologize to you. No reply is necessary.

 

Re: I am sorry about being sorry that I'm sorry

Posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:38:22

In reply to Re: I am sooo sorry Dr. Bob, posted by Deneb on May 30, 2005, at 23:24:33

Oh no, I did it again. I put myself down and now you or others might feel bad...ahhhh...it is a no win situation.

Ummmm...just ignore me. I'm good. It's all good. All is well. :-)

 

Re: thanks (nm) » chemist

Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2005, at 3:32:37

In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by chemist on May 29, 2005, at 20:11:38


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