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Posted by mair on January 9, 2004, at 11:44:49
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 9:12:01
"Wow, Dr. Bob. If I had a bunch of PBC's on my record, and made that statement, I'd pretty much expect a block. I kind of think I'd get one too...."
"We all have noticed you get preferential treatment from Bob. No need to make it "bigger". I know I feel like a lesser being in Dr. Bob's eyes because of it, and I'm sure everyone else does too."
Dinah - I say this with the greatest respect and affection: I can't imagine how you could say this. If stjames is getting preferential treatment, he is hardly the only one. There's no question in my mind that some posters are given great latitude and others wander around here with a scarlett letter on their backs and seem to be given no latitude at all. Most of the time, I have no real problem with Dr. Bob giving some people the benefit of the doubt. I do have difficulties with him pulling the trigger quite a quickly as he sometimes does, and I think his double-the-punishment policy is too harsh in many cases.I don't condone the way stjames made his point. However, I am upset by the suggestion that he is truly unique because I honestly feel that you would be given as wide or even a wider berth than probably any other poster on this Board. So it strikes me as odd for you to suggest that his treatment of stjames makes you feel lesser in Bob's eyes.
I would also like to point out that one of the dangers of the Admin Board is that when discussing the actions of another poster, it's pretty easy to run afoul of Bob's most stringent civility rules, which, afterall, are there to benefit both the offending and non-offending posters.
Mair
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 12:02:47
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dinah, posted by mair on January 9, 2004, at 11:44:49
Are you accusing me of being uncivil to St. James? I merely told him he had made his point, that I agreed with his conclusions, and requested he not try to make it in a larger way.
I sincerely doubt I would be given wider berth. Not that I would ever attempt to put the matter to a test. But in the past I certainly have *not* gotten preferential treatment. I have cried many tears over this board. And yes, I *do* feel offended at what you said. And I feel hurt.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 12:21:44
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dinah, posted by mair on January 9, 2004, at 11:44:49
But if you think I was uncivil to St. James, I have emailed the entire thing to Dr. Bob. If he thinks I am being uncivil, I request that he PBC me.
I have *never* asked for, and to my knowledge, *never* received special treatment.
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 12:25:08
In reply to Re: please be civil » mair, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 12:02:47
> Are you accusing me of being uncivil to St. James? I merely told him he had made his point, that I agreed with his conclusions, and requested he not try to make it in a larger way.
Hi Dinah.Perhaps Mair will respond and clarify her statements or describe in other words what she was trying to communicate. I don't want to speak for her. However, I didn't see her as accusing you of anything. It doesn't appear to me that she was commenting at all regarding your civility. As far as your feeling like a lesser person - trust me - you are definitely morer.
(Forgive me, Mair, that I should have made a mistake as that I don't recall with confidence what is your gender).
- Scott
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 12:29:34
In reply to Re: please be civil » mair, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 12:21:44
> I have *never* asked for, and to my knowledge, *never* received special treatment.
Why not? What makes you so special that you should not receive special treatment? :-)
We all deserve special treatment.
- Scott
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 12:34:49
In reply to Re: please be civil » mair, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 12:21:44
> But if you think I was uncivil to St. James, I have emailed the entire thing to Dr. Bob. If he thinks I am being uncivil, I request that he PBC me.
I think I get special treatment, Dinah
agrees with me. I have no problem here.
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 12:39:18
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dinah, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 12:29:34
> We all deserve special treatment.
>Well I think we all deserve *equal* treatment.
This is the whole point of what I did, to show that I get special treatment....so special that
I can call people horrable things and not get blocked but Lar defends the truth and gets busted.
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:07:19
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 12:39:18
> > We all deserve special treatment.
> Well I think we all deserve *equal* treatment.
Of course, ideally.
> This is the whole point of what I did, to show that I get special treatment....so special that I can call people horrable things and not get blocked but Lar defends the truth and gets busted.
Well, you didn't call just *anybody* a horrible thing. You called the moderator a horrible thing. I'm not sure that you would have been treated so specially had you called me a pedophile. I think you would have been treated fairly. Do you think you deserved to be blocked rather than PBC'd? If so, why?
Are you angry that Larry Hoover was blocked?
I am.
- Scott
Posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 13:17:19
In reply to Re: please be civil » stjames, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:07:19
Zen was just blocked for 6months for what she said to Dr Bob, and yet the same civility rules were cited to her:
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 13:23:38
In reply to Re: please be civil » stjames, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:07:19
> Well, you didn't call just *anybody* a horrible thing. You called the moderator a horrible thing. I'm not sure that you would have been treated so specially had you called me a pedophile.See what gabbix2 just posted
>
> Are you angry that Larry Hoover was blocked?
>
> I am.Gee scott, that should be clear.
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:36:10
In reply to Re: please be civil » SLS, posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 13:17:19
> Zen was just blocked for 6months for what she said to Dr Bob, and yet the same civility rules were cited to her:
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.Is this the first time James has done anything as "spectacular" as this?
As was described earlier by Karen_kay, Dr. Bob was placed in a no-win position. I think it created an unusual situation for which the doctor might not have been well-prepared to handle with precision. Dr. Bob is just a man. I guess he lost this particular chess game.
I think some mistakes were made that will hopefully be corrected, or at least move in that direction.
- Scott
Posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 13:50:58
In reply to Re: please be civil » gabbix2, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:36:10
You know, I honestly can't answer that.
I think the fact that St. James new enough ahead of time that he wouldn't get blocked says something significant though.
I do know he's recieved more P.B.C's without a block than any poster I know of. I worked out that if it had been me, I would be blocked for two years right now (at least)
I've doubted the fairness of the board before, and really didn't want to think it was purposeful.
For me this confirmed what I thought might be only my negative thinking and I appreciate that it has been cleared up (in my mind) so succinctly.
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 14:03:50
In reply to Re: please be civil » SLS, posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 13:50:58
> I think the fact that St. James new enough ahead of time that he wouldn't get blocked says something significant though.
> I do know he's recieved more P.B.C's without a block than any poster I know of. I worked out that if it had been me, I would be blocked for two years right now (at least)
> I've doubted the fairness of the board before, and really didn't want to think it was purposeful.
> For me this confirmed what I thought might be only my negative thinking and I appreciate that it has been cleared up (in my mind) so succinctly.
>Hmm, I guess I should say "glad I can be of help"
but glad is not how I feel. Why does one have to go to such lengths to prove a point ?Well, there goes my "special treatment" !
I wish I could of passed it to Lar, ex post facto.
This does beg the point, why me and not him.
Posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 14:16:35
In reply to Re: please be civil » gabbix2, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 13:36:10
>I think some mistakes were made that will hopefully be corrected, or at least move in that direction.
Yes Dr. Bob is only human, and is entitled to mistakes. In Larry's case, (as in many others) if he'd honestly believed he'd made a mistake it would have been easy enough to rescind his ever lengthening blocks and thus far he has refused to do so.
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 14:29:44
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 14:16:35
> Yes Dr. Bob is only human, and is entitled to mistakes. In Larry's case, (as in many others) if he'd honestly believed he'd made a mistake it would have been easy enough to rescind his ever lengthening blocks and thus far he has refused to do so.
Sorry, that does not wash with me. If he cannot
police the board do to time constraits (which is totally understandable) then he should allow others to take a greater roal in this than they are at present.Basically, saying "I am real busy, sorry I missed it" is a cop out once it happens several times.
This situation (and us) deserve a solution and not an automatic response.
Posted by gabbix2 on January 9, 2004, at 14:37:16
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 14:03:50
Hmm, I guess I should say "glad I can be of help"
but glad is not how I feel. Why does one have to go to such lengths to prove a pointI saw why you went to such lengths.. nothing else was working. You did it because you cared about fairness, and people being hurt, after all this IS a board devoted to mental health. Some will probably still think what you did was easy that you did it for some self indulgent entertainment value. I don't think so.
Posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:03:31
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 14:29:44
Were you trying to get Bob to block you? I'm getting that impression. I agree with Karen, that you put Bob in a no-win situation. If he blocked you then everyone would be in an uproar, if he didn't, then everyone would wonder why.
Elle
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 15:08:50
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS. » stjames, posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:03:31
If he blocked you then everyone would be in an uproar,
I fail to see why anyone would object if Dr Bob blocked me. I totally do not understand why anyone would object. It galls me that anyone would see that as being unfair.
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 15:09:55
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS. » stjames, posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:03:31
> Were you trying to get Bob to block you? I'm getting that impression. I agree with Karen, that you put Bob in a no-win situation. If he blocked you then everyone would be in an uproar, if he didn't, then everyone would wonder why.
> ElleAND, when has Dr Bob ever shown consern for what we think about specific blocks.
Posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:21:56
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 15:08:50
I think that some would defend you by saying that you were only trying to make a point, and that a block would be unfair. This would just make Bob appear to be even more unfair than some people are trying to make him appear. I think he really just doesn't have time to look at every single post and issue pbc's. I didn't think you were going to get blocked.
Elle> If he blocked you then everyone would be in an uproar,
>
> I fail to see why anyone would object if Dr Bob blocked me. I totally do not understand why anyone would object. It galls me that anyone would see that as being unfair.
Posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:22:35
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 15:09:55
> AND, when has Dr Bob ever shown consern for what we think about specific blocks.
Not often.
Elle
Posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 15:55:13
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 14:29:44
> > Yes Dr. Bob is only human, and is entitled to mistakes. In Larry's case, (as in many others) if he'd honestly believed he'd made a mistake it would have been easy enough to rescind his ever lengthening blocks and thus far he has refused to do so.
> Sorry, that does not wash with me. If he cannot police the board do to time constraits (which is totally understandable) then he should allow others to take a greater roal in this than they are at present.
>
> Basically, saying "I am real busy, sorry I missed it" is a cop out once it happens several times.
>
> This situation (and us) deserve a solution and not an automatic response.
I'm glad this thread is continuing.James, given the limitations of the moderator, what would you like to see happen?
- Scott
Posted by stjames on January 9, 2004, at 16:08:02
In reply to Re: please be civil SLS., posted by Elle2021 on January 9, 2004, at 15:21:56
> I think that some would defend you by saying that you were only trying to make a point, and that a block would be unfair. This would just make Bob appear to be even more unfair than some people are trying to make him appear.
When the words are mean the reason behind them matters not. That is, at least, what Dr Bob would say.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 16:43:23
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dinah, posted by mair on January 9, 2004, at 11:44:49
I'm afraid I was upset this morning, over unrelated issues, and misread your post a bit.
I misread "would be given as wider or even wider berth" as meaning you thought I had been uncivil and had been given wide berth. Upon rereading it, I can see that that is not what you said. I still disagree in concept. I think if anything Dr. Bob would expect me to be extra civil, although I must confess that that may be just my projection. Dr. Bob has made it clear that I am just a regular poster, and have no special responsibilities in that regard.
I also read your last paragraph as an admonishment to me, and I sincerely apologize if it wasn't meant that way. As I said, I wasn't at my best when I read or replied.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 16:45:36
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dinah, posted by SLS on January 9, 2004, at 12:25:08
Scott, you make me want to read the meds board more often to get to know you better. You have been an oasis of calm on this thread, and I really appreciate it, as well as your kind words.
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