Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1121034

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MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 10:07:08

Hey SLS,

Was insomnia a side effect that you got from MAOIs? If so, was it more prevalent with phenelzine or tranylcypromine?

Linkadge

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge

Posted by SLS on November 14, 2022, at 11:38:48

In reply to MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 10:07:08

> Hey SLS,
>
> Was insomnia a side effect that you got from MAOIs? If so, was it more prevalent with phenelzine or tranylcypromine?
>
> Linkadge

This may seem surprising, but over the years, I have had more problems with sleep while taking phenelzine than with tranylcypromine as *monotherapy*. This was in my early years. More recently, however, neither drug produces insomnia.

You will find this interesting. Up until 1990, both Parnate and Nardil completely abolished my dreaming. You know, of course, that this is more common than rare. In fact, when I discontinued Parnate, I would dream with my eyes open, see my surroundings, but without the ability to wake up or move. I guess you could call it a wakeful sleep paralysis. My dreams were vivid and intense. It was a true rebound effect.

After 1990, neither drug has reduced dreaming at all. In that year, I was committed to hospitalization during a psychotic mania. They gave me Thorazine and Haldol. I relapsed into a depression that was significantly worse than my former baseline. Then, they reintroduced Nardil. I became severely psychotically manic. It must have been a sort of sling-shot effect. Afterwards, not only was I more depressed, I became resistant to the treatments that had worked partially previously. I think the TRD became less treatable. Even Nardil couldn't budge it.

This is where clorgyline came in. I was treated with this unapproved compound at the National Institutes of Health. Unlike any other drug, cloryline did budge me. I think it broke through a few bricks in my wall of refractoriness. The magnitude of improvement was moderate, although stable. However, it was unacceptable. I would probably have responded well to clorgyline if William Z. Potter, MD - the head of the clinical pharmacology department - had allowed me to add therapeutic dosages desipramine. He agreed to add 10 mg/day. I imagine he wanted to reduce the risk of a dangerous adverse reaction from the combination of a MAOI and a TCA. After requesting desipramine, he allowed me to take 10 mg/day. I said, "No thank you", and left to see a doctor in Princeton, NJ. Of course, I had to discontinue the clorgyline.


All along, I have done better with a combination of MAOI + TCA than MAOI alone. These are two observations of me:

1. Nardil is better for anhedonia and clarity of thinking. For me, Nardil produces a purer and more robust global improvement in depression than Parnate.

2. Nortriptyline is the best TCA I have ever taken. It is true a "mood brightener", has no tendency for over-stimulation, and lacks significant anticholinergic side effects. I have always described the subjective experience of taking nortriptyline as being "pleasant".

3. This is far different from desipramine. Desipramine is the TCA that is most selective and possibly the most potent inhibitor of norepinephrine reuptake. I find it harsh, and leaves me with an uncomfortable stimulant effect. Desipramine has a far greater liability for tachycardia and heart palpitations. However, it kicked *ss when combined with Parnate in 1987.


* In my estimation, phenelzine is currently the most effective antidepreassant in the world, and one of the best for panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, and social phobia. For me, tranylcypromine became a dead-end. It gave me more thought-energy, but did little to treat anhedonia and thought *clarity*. Nothing motivated me. I didn't feel enthusiastic about anything. A lack of reward continued.

* TRICK - Begin Nardil treatment at a very low dosage, and increase it gradually - maybe once every three or more weeks. You might not feel better as quickly as you would with the standard dosing protocol. However, I think this strategy prevents one from *triggering* side effects in the first place. Triggering them might set you up for having side effects indefinitely. The two most serious side effects I get with Nardil is hypotension and delayed micturition (taking a piss). I would sit on the bowl with a full bladder, and try to urinate without success for as long as 45 minutes. I was scared that I might have to go to the hospital for a catheter. It was worth getting a sore butt not to go.

I started taking Nardil at 7.5 mg/day (1/2 pill). I allowed at least 3 weeks to pass before increasing the dosage again. This was only a hunch I had that I thought was worth trying. This is what I did for my current treatment. Both the hypotension and delayed micturation never emerged. After 2 years, I am still free of side effects.

Anorgasmia is a big problem with Nardil. However, with me, it was never permanent. I would regain my ability to orgasm normally after 3 months.


What do you think?


- Scott


 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 14:27:18

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge, posted by SLS on November 14, 2022, at 11:38:48

Thanks for the info. In the early 2000s a doctor agreed to give me an MAOI trial. We were going to take nardil, but there was a shortage and so there was a last minute switch to parnate. The parnate seemed to be working, but I had some kind of blood pressure reaction and the doctor took me off. I was on 40mg, but (in hindsight) I wish I had just reduced the dose. Parnate wasn't much of a mood brightener, but it did help a number of symptoms.

I would like to try nardil at some point, but I'm not sure if my current psychiatrist is on board with this.

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 14:50:02

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 14:27:18

I wonder if there is a way to offset the REM suppression produced by MAOIs and whether this would abolish the AD effect.

Interestingly, as I was transitioned off parnate and on to 50mg of seroquel, I felt controllably euphoric for about 2 weeks. I wonder if the sleep promoting effects of Seroquel enhanced the AD effect of parnate. I always wanted to try a parnate seroquel combination again.

Linkadge

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by SLS on November 14, 2022, at 21:36:51

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 14, 2022, at 14:50:02

> I wonder if there is a way to offset the REM suppression produced by MAOIs and whether this would abolish the AD effect.
>
> Interestingly, as I was transitioned off parnate and on to 50mg of seroquel, I felt controllably euphoric for about 2 weeks. I wonder if the sleep promoting effects of Seroquel enhanced the AD effect of parnate. I always wanted to try a parnate seroquel combination again.
>
> Linkadge


My guess is that your temporary euphoria was a rebound phenomenon for discontinuing Parnate. I have experienced a very sudden and significant antidepressant effect when discontinuing several agents. Parnate and Nardil both give me an improvement upon dosage increase *and* dosage decrease. I found myself running around in circles trying to find a stable response. Several tricyclics also gave me a temporary boost after I discontinued them. Imipramine and protriptyline produced the most noticeable rebound improvements.

I just want to reiterate that this last time around, I played a hunch with Nardil. Throughout my treatment history, *every* trial of Nardil produced as side effects hypotension to the point of almost passing out, and difficulties initiating urination / "urinary retention". This time, I played out my hunch and started low and increased the dosage gradually. (I might have said this already). I started at 7.5 mg/day for two weeks. Then 15 mg/day for two weeks. Thereafter, I increased by 15 mg/day every three weeks. No side effects. I thought that if I didn't trigger the side effects by overly-aggressively dosing, they might not emerge at all. Lucky guess. It's worth taking the extra time to avoid side effects that continue indefinitely.

Please take your time. You are much too sensitive to drug side effects or untoward mood / anxiety reactions. I would like to see you be as conservative with dosage increases as you feel comfortable with. You are easily spooked. That's not a criticism. Side effects can be worse than the depression. Be super-super slow if it keeps you from getting anxious. Use all of your psychological tricks to be patient and persistent. Preventing the emergence of side effects might make this trial a different experience for you altogether.

My conclusion:

The effective dosage range for Nardil is 60-90 mg/day. Almost no one responds to 45 mg/day. I would say that 75 mg/day is the most common bullseye.

If you have any questions or would like us to be a 2-man think tank, please Babblemail me. You might be surprised to know how badly I have wanted to see you to get well over all of these years. I think our frustrations with each other in the past was likely a reflection of our frustration with the disease.

Yes. I do have survivors guilt.


- Scott

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 15, 2022, at 6:35:46

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by SLS on November 14, 2022, at 21:36:51

We'll see what he says tomorrow. He may want to continue trying to piggyback off the wellbutrin partial effect. I would not be completely against that idea as wellbutrin did have some benefits.

He also said I have social phobia based on my complete failure to make eye contact with him and the fact that (outside of work) I seek zero social interaction. I will often stutter too if I'm around people of 'higher status' (i.e. boss, administrators etc). When I mentioned moclobemide, he said it wasn't good for social phobia and also a problem that I'm on 7.5mg of mirtazapine. My hunch is that moclobemide would be fine with mirtazapine, but there is a theoretical interaction. Gillmann says its find with irreversible MAOIs so...

Who the hell knows. We'll see.

Linkadge

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge

Posted by SLS on November 15, 2022, at 9:24:04

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 15, 2022, at 6:35:46

> We'll see what he says tomorrow. He may want to continue trying to piggyback off the wellbutrin partial effect. I would not be completely against that idea as wellbutrin did have some benefits.
>
> He also said I have social phobia based on my complete failure to make eye contact with him and the fact that (outside of work) I seek zero social interaction. I will often stutter too if I'm around people of 'higher status' (i.e. boss, administrators etc). When I mentioned moclobemide, he said it wasn't good for social phobia and also a problem that I'm on 7.5mg of mirtazapine. My hunch is that moclobemide would be fine with mirtazapine, but there is a theoretical interaction. Gillmann says its find with irreversible MAOIs so...
>
>
>
> Who the hell knows. We'll see.
>
> Linkadge
>
>

I'm pretty sure I rendered my opinion of moclobemide (Aurorix). It's most often a dead end. Its often potent antidepressant effect simply doesn't last for very long. My guess is that it will reduce social phobia, too, but only temporarily. The problem is dosage escalation. What happens is that one often feels dramatically better during the first week at 300 mg/day. The improvement then wanes, requiring a dosage increase to 600 mg/day. Within another week or two, a second dosage increase becomes necessary. This cycle ultimately brings one to a maximum dosage - usually 1200 mg/day. Moclobemide is a dead end, most likely due to its reversibility. I don't know for sure, though. Then there's me. I experienced a significant improvement for a portion of the first day at a dosage of 300 mg/day. Thereafter, moclobemide left me in the most torturous depressive state I ever experienced. For several days, I was curled up on the couch in a fetal position next to my parents. I actually audibly groaned and whimpered almost all day long. It took several weeks after discontinuation for me to return to my familiar depressive baseline.

I doubt that any doctor who graduated medical school after 1990 feels comfortable prescribing MAOIs, and have no experience with it in private practice. Of course, I don't know if this is true of your doctor.

You really have to advocate for yourself, conveying a sense of urgency.

Your therapeutic response to Wellbutrin is the most encouraging thing I have ever heard from you. It is a no-brainer to continue experimenting with agents to augment the Wellbutrin. (I would say that it is Wellbutrin that is most often labeled the augmenter in polypharmacy). From what I have witnessed, combining a SNRI to Wellbutrin has a high success rate - probably better than using Zoloft. As a friend described to me, "Wellbutrin gives me more mental energy, but it is the Pristiq that gives me the "wanna do's". Essentially, Pristiq is the agent responsible for reducing anhedonia and increasing motivation.

I believe that Pristiq (desvenlaxine) is now generic. I think it is far less likely to produce an uncomfortable stimulation or anxiety than its parent drug, Effexor (venlafaxine). Since Effexor treated you unkindly in the past, perhaps you should go with Pristiq instead.


- Scott

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 15, 2022, at 14:13:54

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge, posted by SLS on November 15, 2022, at 9:24:04

I am a bit limited in the fact that I am paying out of pocket. If a medication produces a clear benefit, I don't mind paying, but it's hard to fork up big bucks for a tiny benefit. On patient review websites, I haven't seen a lot of people advocating desvenlafaxine vs. venlafaxine.


Linkadge

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge

Posted by SLS on November 15, 2022, at 17:44:20

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 15, 2022, at 14:13:54

> I am a bit limited in the fact that I am paying out of pocket. If a medication produces a clear benefit, I don't mind paying, but it's hard to fork up big bucks for a tiny benefit. On patient review websites, I haven't seen a lot of people advocating desvenlafaxine vs. venlafaxine.
>
>
> Linkadge

I don't think it is a matter of statistical efficacy, but those side effects that you report on Effexor. For me, Pristiq was without effect while Effexor usually gave me partial improvement, although I don't recall how long that response continued for.


I don't know if this will be of any help:

https://www.google.com/search?q=desvenlafaxine+generic+canada+price+cost


- Scott

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by undopaminergic on November 16, 2022, at 12:14:06

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » linkadge, posted by SLS on November 14, 2022, at 11:38:48

Hi SLS,

your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by linkadge on November 16, 2022, at 13:26:46

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by undopaminergic on November 16, 2022, at 12:14:06

>However, sometimes you show too much temperament >and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you >could tone it down a bit.

Huh? Are you being facetious?

Linkadge

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » undopaminergic

Posted by SLS on November 16, 2022, at 20:14:57

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by undopaminergic on November 16, 2022, at 12:14:06

> Hi SLS,
>
> your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
>
> -undopaminergic


I am having a difficult time deciding how to respond to your judgment of my behaviors and temperament. Perhaps you can reexamine the post that you found so problematic. For the sake of developing a well-informed opinion, it would be helpful to quote the words that I reacted to with so much anger.

I would have preferred that you keep your judgments of my behaviors and temperament to yourself in this case.

What you wrote above leaves me feeling indignant and definitely angry. If you feel it necessary to educate the whole community about my temperament, then at least quote the words that I reacted to. They were far from being civil. Right? They appear at the top of the previous post. Please quote them.

Thank you.

I appreciate your wanting to protect people. Nobody likes feeling attacked.


- Scott

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » SLS

Posted by undopaminergic on November 17, 2022, at 3:23:03

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » undopaminergic, posted by SLS on November 16, 2022, at 20:14:57

> > Hi SLS,
> >
> > your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
> >
> > -undopaminergic
>
>
> I am having a difficult time deciding how to respond to your judgment of my behaviors and temperament. Perhaps you can reexamine the post that you found so problematic. For the sake of developing a well-informed opinion, it would be helpful to quote the words that I reacted to with so much anger.
>
> I would have preferred that you keep your judgments of my behaviors and temperament to yourself in this case.
>
> What you wrote above leaves me feeling indignant and definitely angry. If you feel it necessary to educate the whole community about my temperament, then at least quote the words that I reacted to. They were far from being civil. Right? They appear at the top of the previous post. Please quote them.
>
> Thank you.
>
> I appreciate your wanting to protect people. Nobody likes feeling attacked.
>
>
> - Scott

First, I'm not referring to any specific post of yours, but to certain series of posts from different occasions. The incidents I have in mind is a number of arguments you've had with me, and your recent exchange with Lamdage.

Second, you misunderstood. My post (the one you're responding to) was intended to be mainly a compliment, and secondarily a piece of constructive criticism. I mean that I really appreciate your inspiring anecdotes and your ideas about psychopharmacology. Perhaps the single most specific inspiration is your remission from very long-term treatment-resistant depression -- you prove that it is possible: if you, with your extremely chronic and severe case, can do it, then there is definite hope that we all can.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS

Posted by undopaminergic on November 17, 2022, at 3:25:55

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by linkadge on November 16, 2022, at 13:26:46

> >However, sometimes you show too much temperament >and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you >could tone it down a bit.
>
> Huh? Are you being facetious?
>
> Linkadge

No. Perhaps my comment seemed like it's coming from out of the blue, but it is a reference, in particular, to the recent heated exchange between SLS and Lamdage.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » undopaminergic

Posted by SLS on November 17, 2022, at 10:20:29

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » SLS, posted by undopaminergic on November 17, 2022, at 3:23:03

> > > Hi SLS,
> > >
> > > your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
> > >
> > > -undopaminergic


> > I am having a difficult time deciding how to respond to your judgment of my behaviors and temperament. Perhaps you can reexamine the post that you found so problematic. For the sake of developing a well-informed opinion, it would be helpful to quote the words that I reacted to with so much anger.
> >
> > I would have preferred that you keep your judgments of my behaviors and temperament to yourself in this case.
> >
> > What you wrote above leaves me feeling indignant and definitely angry. If you feel it necessary to educate the whole community about my temperament, then at least quote the words that I reacted to. They were far from being civil. Right? They appear at the top of the previous post. Please quote them.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > I appreciate your wanting to protect people. Nobody likes feeling attacked.
> >
> >
> > - Scott

> First, I'm not referring to any specific post of yours, but to certain series of posts from different occasions. The incidents I have in mind is a number of arguments you've had with me, and your recent exchange with Lamdage.

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Please don't police me in public. If you feel it necessary to correct my behavior, please use Babble-Mail.

I don't much care for your recounting and interpreting of my posting history in public. I suggest that you worry about your own first. I interpret your frequent unsolicited challenges of my words to be provocative - and usually wrong. You have a need to do this, for reasons I suggest you go to an exceedingly competent psychotherapist.

Did you like being spoken to that way? I know I don't. I don't really believe what I wrote. However, I thought it would help us understood one another.

Perhaps you should revisit the verbiage you used when you addressed me with your previous critique of me. It's a matter of tone - as you were so quick to criticize me for. Perhaps you should quote the words that I reacted so angrily to in your follow-up post to me. Those words appears at the top of my reactive post. That is the comment that pissed me off and left me feeling indignant and angry, especially given my generous attempts to the person who insulted me and how I sound these days. I don't need chill-pills. Out of a special sense of compassion, I felt a need to address his begging the community for help.

Again, if you feel the need to identify individual posters to make your defensive arguments, please keep it off the board.

Why didn't you quote Lamdage's uncivil comment in your description of my behavior in the first place? I find unacceptable the bias in your failure to do so. Remember, your words are out there for everyone to see. Did you consider what you wrote to be a public service announcement?

Just keep it off the board.

You and I have an uncomfortable history together, right? I can't help but to think that my assertive treatment of you over the last several years is what the true impetus is for your comments. Just a guess. I'm often wrong, though, and my attempts at mind reading have yet not born fruit.

I am still working to establish a better balance in speech that depression had previously muted. My tongue seems particularly sharp these days. I doubt I will react with such intensity the next time I am insulted by you or Lamdage. However, I wouldn't recommend that you try right now.

I'll work with God on these things. There are so many new thoughts and feelings to learn how to process and manage. I am most reactive to feelings of indignation.

I experienced indignation as the result of your suggestion to me. I am not tone-deaf.


- Scott

 

Re: MAOI question for SLS » SLS

Posted by undopaminergic on November 17, 2022, at 10:52:39

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS » undopaminergic, posted by SLS on November 17, 2022, at 10:20:29

I won't try to fight fire with more fire, so I'm leaving this without further comment. If there is really something in particular you'd like to discuss, feel free to use the Babble-Mail, as you suggest.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: please be civil » undopaminergic

Posted by NKP on November 17, 2022, at 16:59:03

In reply to Re: MAOI question for SLS, posted by undopaminergic on November 16, 2022, at 12:14:06

> your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.

Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.

Thanks,

NKP

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Just kidding. Does anyone remember the days of PBCs?

 

Re: please be civil » NKP

Posted by SLS on November 18, 2022, at 6:18:33

In reply to Re: please be civil » undopaminergic, posted by NKP on November 17, 2022, at 16:59:03

> > your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
>
> Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
>
> Thanks,
>
> NKP
>
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>
> Just kidding. Does anyone remember the days of PBCs?


You're a real card, NKP.

:-)

Thank you.


- Scott

 

Re: please be civil » NKP

Posted by undopaminergic on November 18, 2022, at 8:02:18

In reply to Re: please be civil » undopaminergic, posted by NKP on November 17, 2022, at 16:59:03

> > your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
>
...
> If you ... are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself ...

Actually, I was not happy with the formulation, but it was the best I could come up with at the time. I wanted to be more diplomatic and to avoid triggering an angry reaction. In fact, the post as a whole was intended as a compliment, but turned out to have the polar opposite effect, so in other words, it was a complete failure on my part.

>
> Just kidding. Does anyone remember the days of PBCs?

If you mean posts by Dr. Bob entitled "Please be civil", yes, I think I came across that at some point, in the 00-decade.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: please be civil » SLS

Posted by jay2112 on November 19, 2022, at 12:54:57

In reply to Re: please be civil » NKP, posted by SLS on November 18, 2022, at 6:18:33

> > > your anecdotes and experiences are a source of inspiration and potentially useful. However, sometimes you show too much temperament and get into arguments, and it would be nice if you could tone it down a bit.
> >
> > Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
> >
> > If you have any questions or comments about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration.
> >
> > Posting something about your own issues and their possible role in your reaction might be an interesting exercise -- and might help others respond to you supportively.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > NKP
> >
> > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> >
> > Just kidding. Does anyone remember the days of PBCs?
>
>
> You're a real card, NKP.
>
> :-)
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> - Scott

I think we all need a pbc once in awhile. I think we all need that person who will ask us, politely, to tone down...ie chill out..lol. I've gotten so many of these in the past, but I think they are still good.

:)

Jay

 

Re: please be civil » jay2112

Posted by SLS on November 19, 2022, at 20:07:14

In reply to Re: please be civil » SLS, posted by jay2112 on November 19, 2022, at 12:54:57


> > > Just kidding. Does anyone remember the days of PBCs?

> > You're a real card, NKP.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > - Scott

> I think we all need a pbc once in awhile. I think we all need that person who will ask us, politely, to tone down...ie chill out..lol. I've gotten so many of these in the past, but I think they are still good.

PBCs were a great teaching tool.

Even though Dr. Bob was draconian in his mathmatical forumalas for enforcing a code of civility, I learned some priceless lessons on how to interact with others, and how the choice of words matter. Also, there is a difference between debate and counter-arguing with personal insults. I have been much less defensive and take more time transcribing my thoughts into words - all because of Robert Hsiung.

I still drop the doctor a line every now and then - real short. I like to see how he is enjoying life and to thank him for keeping Psycho-Babble online. I think he would experience great reward if we thanked him and extended to him our appreciation - TODAY.


- Scott

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by undopaminergic on November 20, 2022, at 7:07:44

In reply to Re: please be civil » jay2112, posted by SLS on November 19, 2022, at 20:07:14

>
> I still drop the doctor a line every now and then - real short. I like to see how he is enjoying life and to thank him for keeping Psycho-Babble online. I think he would experience great reward if we thanked him and extended to him our appreciation - TODAY.
>
>
> - Scott

We could raise some money for a gift.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: please be civil » undopaminergic

Posted by SLS on November 20, 2022, at 10:48:52

In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by undopaminergic on November 20, 2022, at 7:07:44

> >
> > I still drop the doctor a line every now and then - real short. I like to see how he is enjoying life and to thank him for keeping Psycho-Babble online. I think he would experience great reward if we thanked him and extended to him our appreciation - TODAY.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> We could raise some money for a gift.
>
> -undopaminergic
>

That is an extraordinary idea. Any thoughts on what to get?


- Scott

 

Re: please be civil

Posted by undopaminergic on November 22, 2022, at 11:55:57

In reply to Re: please be civil » undopaminergic, posted by SLS on November 20, 2022, at 10:48:52

> > >
> > > I still drop the doctor a line every now and then - real short. I like to see how he is enjoying life and to thank him for keeping Psycho-Babble online. I think he would experience great reward if we thanked him and extended to him our appreciation - TODAY.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > We could raise some money for a gift.
> >
> > -undopaminergic
> >
>
> That is an extraordinary idea. Any thoughts on what to get?
>
>
> - Scott

Alas, no.

-undopaminergic


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