Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1119796

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Insomnia from Vyvanse

Posted by Roslynn on May 30, 2022, at 10:52:32

Hi all,

I just started taking Vyvanse and it's giving me really bad insomnia. Would it make sense to take it every other day?

Or should I ask my Dr. to reduce it from 20mg to 10mg?

Thank you for any help.


~Roslynn

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse

Posted by Christ_empowered on May 30, 2022, at 13:49:45

In reply to Insomnia from Vyvanse, posted by Roslynn on May 30, 2022, at 10:52:32

hi. :-)

does it help with your mood and such? if it does, maybe ask about an equivalent dosage of dexedrine, but in either the tablet or some other er/xr formulation.

My thinking, there, is that...maybe its not just the amphetamine, per se, causing the trouble, but this specific formulation? but if you're having other upper-related problems -- mood instability, agitation, anger, anxiety, that kind of thing -- then maybe amphetamines are not such a good idea.

but lowering the dosage of the vyvanse seems a logical step, too. it really is between you and your doctor, of course.

:-)

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Christ_empowered

Posted by Roslynn on May 30, 2022, at 14:57:28

In reply to Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse, posted by Christ_empowered on May 30, 2022, at 13:49:45

Hi! yes, it did help a lot with my mood then somewhat of a crash. Then insomnia at night. Wonder if the 10mg might be better.

I'm a little scared to try dexedrine for some reason...

Thank you for your suggestions :-)


hi. :-)
>
> does it help with your mood and such? if it does, maybe ask about an equivalent dosage of dexedrine, but in either the tablet or some other er/xr formulation.
>
> My thinking, there, is that...maybe its not just the amphetamine, per se, causing the trouble, but this specific formulation? but if you're having other upper-related problems -- mood instability, agitation, anger, anxiety, that kind of thing -- then maybe amphetamines are not such a good idea.
>
> but lowering the dosage of the vyvanse seems a logical step, too. it really is between you and your doctor, of course.
>
> :-)

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse

Posted by Christ_empowered on May 30, 2022, at 21:27:19

In reply to Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Christ_empowered, posted by Roslynn on May 30, 2022, at 14:57:28

hi :-) me, again.

I just thought about a different form of dexedrine, because I am kind of thinking...

back in the day, the standard adult dosage for depression and...ok, well life, basically...was 15mgs/daily. Methamphetmine preparations were somewhat common (fun fact: Adderall was originally Obetrol, a Warhol and friends favorite...and one form of Obetrol had a bit of methamphetamine because...50s/60s diet pill magic? I dunno...), and I would assume those would considerably lower dosages. moving on...

a lower dosage could be a good idea, obviously. lol. I'd just hate for you to go so low that you lose any mood benefits.

there's another er/xr dexedrine...z-something. dexedrine was once offered in a spansule which...if available, now...would definitely be generic. the tablets themselves come in 5 and 10mgs I think...maybe there's also a 15?

is your prescription brand or generic? is there an option? sometimes, it matters, for some people. an acquaintance takes brand name adderall xr. the generic xr was an epic fail, so he found some way to get the insurance to cover some of the brand. the brand works nicely, effective with no major crashes or anything.

i don't know if its a viable, long term solution, but...if you and your doctor think an amphetamine is appropriate for your depression (which sounds kind of treatment-resistant and/or severe, which is why I was thinking maybe try another form of dexedrine at an equivalent dosage, btw), sedatives were (and are) used for that, hopefully just on a short-term, as needed basis. maybe...

the classic combo seems to be valium plus whatever upper. maybe because valium is lower potency, compared to xanax and friends? I seem to recall reading that you are currently prescribed xanax. maybe a temporary, as needed extra dose, if the doctor is ok with it?

oh, one last thing...are you still on the latuda? I just ask because...my own experience with adderall prescribed with neuroleptics is that both the stimulant and the neuroleptic should be carefully selected and calibrated, if its going to be a long term thing. an acquaintance continues to do well with seroquel (low potency, sedating) and adderall xr. I did better with Ritalin and Abilify than Adderall and Abilify.

back in the day, for whatever reasons, Ritalin was used somewhat commonly in stable people on full dose tranquilizers. Amphetamines...for bad depression were combined with Thorazine (ThoraDex, arguably one of the original "antidepressants"). Low, low doses of higher potency neuroleptics were sometimes combined with amphetamines for weight loss (Eskatrol...an apparently dangerous diet pill that inexplicably remained popular and available till the early 80s...).


sorry to ramble. really bad depression is no fun, so I'm just trying to help, as best I can.

Just a side question: do you take supplements? Antioxidants and b-vitamins seem to have helped me, personally, get more mileage out of fewer meds...with fewer adverse effects, too. no eps, no td, etc. -sharing is caring-

:-)

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Christ_empowered

Posted by Roslynn on May 31, 2022, at 15:21:26

In reply to Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse, posted by Christ_empowered on May 30, 2022, at 21:27:19


> a lower dosage could be a good idea, obviously. lol. I'd just hate for you to go so low that you lose any mood benefits.

I am thinking of mixing half the 20mg into water then drinking that to try the 10mg dose. It's just a thought..


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> there's another er/xr dexedrine...z-something. dexedrine was once offered in a spansule which...if available, now...would definitely be generic. the tablets themselves come in 5 and 10mgs I think...maybe there's also a 15?

I will look into this.


> is your prescription brand or generic? is there an option?

I am taking the brand name which for some reason my insurance covers for some reason.

>I seem to recall reading that you are currently prescribed xanax. maybe a temporary, as needed extra dose, if the doctor is ok with it?

I am taking ativan right now.
>
> oh, one last thing...are you still on the latuda?

I am on both Latuda and Seroquel.
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>
>
> sorry to ramble. really bad depression is no fun, so I'm just trying to help, as best I can.


No problem, I appreciate it!

> Just a side question: do you take supplements? Antioxidants and b-vitamins seem to have helped me, personally, get more mileage out of fewer meds...with fewer adverse effects, too. no eps, no td, etc. -sharing is caring-

I take D3 and magnesium.

Thank you for your suggestions.
:-)

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Roslynn

Posted by Jay2112 on May 31, 2022, at 19:46:51

In reply to Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Christ_empowered, posted by Roslynn on May 31, 2022, at 15:21:26

I would just try the lower 10mg dose. Vyvanse saved my life, literally! I used Tegretol with it to take off the edge, and propranalol does the trick as well. I also found Nabalone worked awesome for this.
Benzo's, like clonazepam, too! I'd highly suggest trying these meds, then maybe going down to the 10mg??

Best,
Jay

 

Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Jay2112

Posted by Roslynn on June 1, 2022, at 14:52:57

In reply to Re: Insomnia from Vyvanse » Roslynn, posted by Jay2112 on May 31, 2022, at 19:46:51

Jay--thank you for your suggestions! I will follow through with my doc especially concerning the beta blocker.

Thanks,
Roslynn


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