Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1110249

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sleep - hypomania

Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 22:55:46

last couple days i've been having insomnia, i don't know why diazepam isnt working, taking GABA supplement to help, then that stopped working. Last couple days i've written kinda hypomanic, intense posts. I'm insomnia, thinking how im going to function. Then when i get up, dopamine levels increase, to compesate with low sleep. Sleep deprivation i've read actually helps depression, but when it happen over period of time, with low sleep, you get worn down. Dopamine increase to compesate to lack of sleep. It's not a good time for me. This been whats happening, i've gotten on prayer lines, its just burdening to feel during the day that i might not sleep well. That's all i can say. Document this.

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 23:29:50

In reply to sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 22:55:46

all i know, things change, ill get over this, prayer lines, but even seeing the doctor to increase diazepam, it wouldnt work. I don't understand whats going on. GABA damage, or deprivation, like low dopamine, and serotonin.

realized there has to be jump, things slowly working out dont work in my case, i have to do a jump. Find a place the world, benefit the world, be part of a cause, or be the most beutifil mind to comphesate for all this, all i know - you keep going, you finish a project, and then your done, you don't get hyped up and advertise it, you just ... complete a project, or research, then move on. Don't go back and be in hyper mode of what you did, your simply finsih and keep going.

no reason, to call a whine to someone, all that call me anytime crap, you get over the hard time and move on

i think growing, calling people you don't individelly grow, your in social cicle, that's just with dealing with stuff on your own, research anaylists work on their own, projects and stay on it....so that's all my advice

we're in new decade, 2000s, 2010s started getting vacant, are outdated like tv shows that were popular, everyone was there, not here anymore, at least we can be the 2020 babble generation

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2020, at 3:20:22

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 23:29:50

Are you on any antidepressants?

 

Re: sleep - hypomania rjlockhart37

Posted by linkadge on May 19, 2020, at 16:16:47

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 23:29:50

What all meds are you taking?

I have major sleep issues. Maybe I can make some recommendations.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 2:03:49

In reply to sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 18, 2020, at 22:55:46

prozac, lamictal, diazepam, armodafnil, seroquel

i regret posting this because spill out info about evrerything i do. people can read all over internet not just posters, posting just things you usalaly keep to yourself

your dopamine levels are up, but your ... not yourself. I'm just gonna get on every prayer line, to ask for healing. Hope this will be over with soon. I need to maintain other social media sites, can't write any of this, just needed to let that out. I will find a way to make this end, reesarch, prayer anything hopefully ill nevver look back on this, and have regular posts

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by linkadge on May 20, 2020, at 6:33:11

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 2:03:49

Do you think that armodafinil could be contributing to insomnia? Lamictal can also give some people insomnia. Adding a bit of magnesium + melatonin at night might help.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 13:05:34

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by linkadge on May 20, 2020, at 6:33:11

Lamictal can cause insomnia, but there were 2 times i forgot to take 400mg, during the day, i took it when i went to sleep, everything just calmed and shut down. But other times if i take tablet too late in the day causes insomnia.

magnesium, literately god put it here for reason. one thing i've noticed, sleep deprived, dont take stimulants, they make you more irrtible, and someway cognitive slower. I've had to rely on diazepam and phenibut, which both seem to ease the tired, exhaust feeling. Dont take stimulants when your sleep deprived

ill look into melatonin, like 10mg.

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 13:08:15

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 13:05:34

this is gonna pass, ill figure out a way in research, benzos without GABA supplement seem to not work as well. lowered gaba levels, prayer and faith and survival mode

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by linkadge on May 20, 2020, at 17:05:50

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by rjlockhart37 on May 20, 2020, at 13:08:15

I find that phenibut can sometimes be a bit stimulating. I do use it for sleep occasionally but try to avoid it because of nasty withdrawal.

Magnesium, taurine and melatonin might help some. For melatonin, I'd start with a lower dose (1-2mg) and the work up. Sometimes higher doses can leave you a bit bla the next day.

You might need to take a break from armodafinil. I've been taking Ritalin, but have to cut it back as it can sometimes interfere with sleep. I might try and switch to straterra.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 20, 2020, at 21:02:41

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by linkadge on May 20, 2020, at 17:05:50

You do sound a bit hyper.

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by undopaminergic on May 21, 2020, at 3:05:39

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by linkadge on May 20, 2020, at 17:05:50

>
> You might need to take a break from armodafinil. I've been taking Ritalin, but have to cut it back as it can sometimes interfere with sleep. I might try and switch to straterra.
>
> Linkadge
>

Noradrenaline reuptake inhibitors can interfere with sleep too. When I was on reboxetine, I woke up early, and if I recall correctly sleep quality was worse. When I was on ephedrine, I could stay up longer.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on May 21, 2020, at 15:32:55

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by undopaminergic on May 21, 2020, at 3:05:39

Although Ritalin works well, I'm noticing some depression creeping back in. It's like it puts me into this zone, but I start to become a bit more antisocial.

I had some old atomoxetine lying around and I switched to this. It feel better on this than Ritalin. I might see if my doctor will let me switch back. I seem to do fairly well on NRIs.

I don't feel as antisocial on atomoxetine vs. Ritalin.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 21, 2020, at 21:08:35

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 21, 2020, at 15:32:55

I observed that in a friend on Strattera.

> but I start to become a bit more antisocial.

 

Re: sleep - hypomania linkadge

Posted by undopaminergic on May 22, 2020, at 0:14:19

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 21, 2020, at 15:32:55

> Although Ritalin works well, I'm noticing some depression creeping back in. It's like it puts me into this zone, but I start to become a bit more antisocial.
>
> I had some old atomoxetine lying around and I switched to this. It feel better on this than Ritalin. I might see if my doctor will let me switch back. I seem to do fairly well on NRIs.
>
> I don't feel as antisocial on atomoxetine vs. Ritalin.
>
> Linkadge
>

Do you mean anti-social as in "anti-social" personality disorder? Or did you mean asocial / schizoid?

-undopaminergic

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by linkadge on May 22, 2020, at 15:40:14

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania linkadge, posted by undopaminergic on May 22, 2020, at 0:14:19

I just mean that I start to recede into myself and start to feel disconnected from the world around me. This causes some depression (in the sense that I start to feel its impossible for me to change).

I also have problems that I haven't been able to identify. Certain meds make me feel very socially disconnected. Effexor does this. It almost makes me feel a bit autistic. For example, I sense a joke, I understand the humour, but I have no emotional reaction to it. I feel cold and distant. Almost like a flat affect. I can have these symptoms even when I'm not depressed. Because I can't connect with people, I have long since stopped maintaining social connections. This hurts my recovery as I start to feel more isolated.

It's like there is a wall between me and the world. The world is projected on the wall. I can see and analyse the projection, but all emotional interpretation is blocked. Helpful for severe emotional overload....yes....but not something that can ever get me to recovery.

There's just no proper flow. Things aren't integrated. It's like Effexor puts little walls up.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by undopaminergic on May 23, 2020, at 6:55:24

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by linkadge on May 22, 2020, at 15:40:14

> I just mean that I start to recede into myself and start to feel disconnected from the world around me. This causes some depression (in the sense that I start to feel its impossible for me to change).
>

OK, that's asocial.

> I also have problems that I haven't been able to identify. Certain meds make me feel very socially disconnected. Effexor does this. It almost makes me feel a bit autistic. For example, I sense a joke, I understand the humour, but I have no emotional reaction to it. I feel cold and distant. Almost like a flat affect. I can have these symptoms even when I'm not depressed. Because I can't connect with people, I have long since stopped maintaining social connections. This hurts my recovery as I start to feel more isolated.
>
> It's like there is a wall between me and the world. The world is projected on the wall. I can see and analyse the projection, but all emotional interpretation is blocked.
>

That's exactly what I have. I call it depersonalisation, and it's a dissociative symptom.

I like to say it's like there is a "schizm" between the doing and the observing selves.

> Helpful for severe emotional overload....yes....but not something that can ever get me to recovery.
>

Right.

> There's just no proper flow. Things aren't integrated.
>

That's one of the hallmarks of dissociation.

-undopaminergic

 

Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic

Posted by linkadge on May 23, 2020, at 12:26:46

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by undopaminergic on May 23, 2020, at 6:55:24

>That's one of the hallmarks of dissociation.

Yeah, venlafaxine has been known to increase some psychotic symptoms (in some people). It may have more indirect effect on NMDA. I might try switching back to escitalopram. This wasn't as good for depression, but perhaps a little better for dissociation.

 

Re: sleep - hypomania linkadge

Posted by SLS on May 24, 2020, at 21:54:01

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 23, 2020, at 12:26:46

> >That's one of the hallmarks of dissociation.
>
> Yeah, venlafaxine has been known to increase some psychotic symptoms (in some people). It may have more indirect effect on NMDA. I might try switching back to escitalopram. This wasn't as good for depression, but perhaps a little better for dissociation.

Hi, Linkadge.

Have you ever tried Lamictal? I don't recall you ever taking it.

I had thought quite a few years ago that because lamotrigine reduces glutamate release in the hippocampus and thalamus, dopamine activity increases in the nucleus accumbens via disinhibition. It was pretty simplistic in retrospect. However, increased reward produced by lamotrigine has been demonstrated.


- Scott

 

Re: sleep - hypomania linkadge

Posted by SLS on May 25, 2020, at 5:35:35

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania undopaminergic, posted by linkadge on May 23, 2020, at 12:26:46

Linkadge:

"Antidepressant and pro-motivational effects of repeated lamotrigine treatment in a rat model of depressive symptoms"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6190531/

It has been my observation that to achieve a sustained antidepressant response to lamotrigine (Lamictal), most people must take at least 200 mg/day. I recommend divided doses - b.i.d.


- Scott

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by linkadge on May 25, 2020, at 5:49:26

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania linkadge, posted by SLS on May 25, 2020, at 5:35:35

I briefly took lamotrigine but found my brain felt pretty raw on it. It was a only a short trial. I should probably try it longer.

Linkadge

 

Re: sleep - hypomania

Posted by SLS on May 25, 2020, at 17:03:41

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by linkadge on May 25, 2020, at 5:49:26

> I briefly took lamotrigine but found my brain felt pretty raw on it. It was a only a short trial. I should probably try it longer.

How would you describe "raw"? Was it activating?


- Scott

 

Re: sleep - hypomania SLS

Posted by linkadge on May 26, 2020, at 5:15:19

In reply to Re: sleep - hypomania, posted by SLS on May 25, 2020, at 17:03:41

Well valproate for me was like wrapping my entire brain in a blanket. Lamictal didn't feel like it was really calming my brain in the same way. For instance, it did nothing to reduce migraine or hypersensitivity to light. My 'episodes' are often accompanied by hypersensitivity to stimuli. Lamictal (I think) is mostly a sodium channel blocker. Valproates effects on ion channels, and gaba are much more widespread.

Linkadge


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