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Posted by Hugh on March 5, 2020, at 14:02:19
In reply to Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 3, 2020, at 13:15:00
> Anyone else have any recollection of medicines or supplements they've taken that may have had antiviral or prolung properties?
Specialized pro-resolving mediators (SPMs). This is a new supplement. I like it a lot. It's an anti-inflammatory that resolves inflammation rather than blocking it.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2019/ss/resolve-and-repair-inflammatory-damage
17-HDHA is one of the ingredients in the SPMs capsule I take. It enhances the immune response against the influenza virus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25392529
SPMs are prolung. They're being investigated as a treatment for chronic inflammation and infection in cystic fibrosis.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2019.00252/full
The kind I take is "Pro-Resolving Mediators" from https://www.lifeextension.com
Here are some other brands:
https://thegreenpharmacy.com
As "SPM Complete"https://www.nhc.com
As "PRM Resolve"https://www.metagenics.com
As "SPM Active"
Posted by PeterMartin on March 5, 2020, at 18:14:14
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by Hugh on March 5, 2020, at 14:02:19
Thanks Hugh for that suggestion. Looking into it.
Does it have any effect on mood? Do you think it would be contradicted w/ any common psych meds?
Looks to be related to EPA in fish oil is that right?
Posted by alexandra_k on March 5, 2020, at 21:51:34
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 5, 2020, at 18:14:14
Lots of suggestions, here.
The Journal Nature is making Coronavirus research freely available.
Posted by Hugh on March 6, 2020, at 13:08:24
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 5, 2020, at 18:14:14
You're welcome. I don't know of any contraindications with psyche meds, but specialized pro-resolving mediators haven't been available for very long. You might try taking it every other day or every third day in the beginning to see how it affects you. I can feel the effects of one capsule for over 48 hours.
You're right, it is derived from fish oil. But it's far more effective than any fish oil I've ever tried, and I've tried a lot. It does elevate my mood.
This is where I order it:
https://www.lifeextension.com/search#q=pro-resolving%20mediators&t=coveo4A2453FD
You should use one of these discount codes at checkout:
https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/life-extension/
Posted by Hugh on March 6, 2020, at 13:17:34
In reply to Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 3, 2020, at 13:15:00
Published studies that have examined the use of lactoferrin as a supplement and its effects on immunity have been quite promising. Research using various animals models (i.e., rats, sheep, pigs and cats, as well as others) has found the ingestion of lactoferrin to have direct protective effects on the regulation and modulation of the immune system.
Two studies using healthy human volunteers found the ingestion of lactoferrin derived from cows milk had positive immunoregulatory effects that were specific to the individual. That is, depending on the initial profile of the immune system of each person, lactoferrin ingestion augmented the immune response, leading the researchers to conclude ". . .the data suggests that bovine (cows) lactoferrin may be applied in the clinic to improve the immune status of the patients." A similar human study using ten people who ingested lactoferrin concluded "these results suggest that lactoferrin administration may influence the primary activation of the host defense system."
Complete article:
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2000/10/report_lactoferrin
Posted by PeterMartin on March 6, 2020, at 15:14:38
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus » PeterMartin, posted by Hugh on March 6, 2020, at 13:08:24
> You're welcome. I don't know of any contraindications with psyche meds, but specialized pro-resolving mediators haven't been available for very long. You might try taking it every other day or every third day in the beginning to see how it affects you. I can feel the effects of one capsule for over 48 hours.
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> You're right, it is derived from fish oil. But it's far more effective than any fish oil I've ever tried, and I've tried a lot. It does elevate my mood.
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> This is where I order it:
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> https://www.lifeextension.com/search#q=pro-resolving%20mediators&t=coveo4A2453FD
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> You should use one of these discount codes at checkout:
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> https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/life-extension/
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>Thanks a lot! My bottle of it (same brand / Life Extensions) just arrived from Amazon actually. Took my first pill. Hope it doesn't do anything negative to my mood (positive would be great!).
Fish Oil in general tended to make me depressed after a little while. Obv if that happens I'll stop taking it.
Appreciate all of your suggestions during this odd situation.
Posted by Hugh on March 6, 2020, at 15:50:17
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 6, 2020, at 15:14:38
Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
> > You're welcome. I don't know of any contraindications with psyche meds, but specialized pro-resolving mediators haven't been available for very long. You might try taking it every other day or every third day in the beginning to see how it affects you. I can feel the effects of one capsule for over 48 hours.
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> > You're right, it is derived from fish oil. But it's far more effective than any fish oil I've ever tried, and I've tried a lot. It does elevate my mood.
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> > This is where I order it:
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> > https://www.lifeextension.com/search#q=pro-resolving%20mediators&t=coveo4A2453FD
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> > You should use one of these discount codes at checkout:
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> > https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/life-extension/
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> Thanks a lot! My bottle of it (same brand / Life Extensions) just arrived from Amazon actually. Took my first pill. Hope it doesn't do anything negative to my mood (positive would be great!).
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> Fish Oil in general tended to make me depressed after a little while. Obv if that happens I'll stop taking it.
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> Appreciate all of your suggestions during this odd situation.
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Posted by bleauberry on March 6, 2020, at 18:29:57
In reply to Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 3, 2020, at 13:15:00
Any number of herbs and spices are likely to have efficacy to some degree against this virus and others. The main thing is to beef up the immune system, not necessarily to kill microbes. Reishi mushroom, raw garlic or garlic oil (has to stink to retain its powerful anti-viral qualities), oil of oregano is very strong against all microbes. Colloidal silver spray does an amazing job as a spray in the sinuses and throat, as well as consumed systemically. The virus, in my opinion, and apparently many doctors too, is being overhyped for political reasons and for CYA reasons. Many of the infected say it is like a cold or a mild cold. The dead are almost exclusively older patients with pre-existing pulmonary or immune dysfunction. Good ole Vitamin C at 1000mg TID and Vitamin D at 10,000IU is a great way to immediately fortify the immune system. For meds, I am not aware of any, though over in Austria they are talking about some old medicine that has been around a long time that is effective but that's all I know about that a.
Posted by beckett2 on March 7, 2020, at 17:22:38
In reply to Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 3, 2020, at 13:15:00
Alright, friends, this letter was forwarded to me. I know about relying on a friend of a friend, but the protocols check out and are reasonable.
I figure our house will get covid-19 eventually, (someone in my town has tested positive!), but we have an 80 y.o. w/ lung issues, so I'm trying to at least put off eventual infection. Cheers y'all.
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"Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic
Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources. The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available. I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email.
Good luck to all of us!
James Robb, MD FCAP"
Posted by sigismund on March 8, 2020, at 0:35:23
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by beckett2 on March 7, 2020, at 17:22:38
Toilet paper is bulky so the shelves thin out with a few purchases. This led people to think that it was running out, which led to bulk purchases, more shortages, bare shelves and fights in supermarkets.
God knows what it will be like when things we need (like food) are not available.
Posted by beckett2 on March 8, 2020, at 3:15:59
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus » beckett2, posted by sigismund on March 8, 2020, at 0:35:23
> Toilet paper is bulky so the shelves thin out with a few purchases. This led people to think that it was running out, which led to bulk purchases, more shortages, bare shelves and fights in supermarkets.
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> God knows what it will be like when things we need (like food) are not available.I saw said tp fight. Who swung first is lost to memory, but I recall one woman saying 'I only want one pack'.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 10, 2020, at 11:50:36
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by beckett2 on March 8, 2020, at 3:15:59
Every time I read the news, I obsess about Corona. Not healthy.
Posted by undopaminergic on March 10, 2020, at 12:00:19
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by Lamdage22 on March 10, 2020, at 11:50:36
> Every time I read the news, I obsess about Corona. Not healthy.
I quit following the news years ago, and I have not regretted it.
For one thing, it saves me a lot of time that I can put to better uses.
-undopaminergic
Posted by PeterMartin on March 11, 2020, at 2:40:05
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by undopaminergic on March 10, 2020, at 12:00:19
I know it's a study w SARS (a different coronavirus) and mice, but does anyone else think this is promising for Stinging Nettle Root (Urtica Silica)? I mentioned it in the original post but didn't link the study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21338626
Inhibition of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus replication in a lethal SARS-CoV BALB/c mouse model by stinging nettle lectin, Urtica dioica agglutinin.
Abstract
Urtica dioica agglutinin (UDA) is a small plant monomeric lectin, 8.7 kDa in size, with an N-acetylglucosamine specificity that inhibits viruses from Nidovirales in vitro. In the current study, we first examined the efficacy of UDA on the replication of different SARS-CoV strains in Vero 76 cells. UDA inhibited virus replication in a dose-dependent manner and reduced virus yields of the Urbani strain by 90% at 1.1 ± 0.4 μg/ml in Vero 76 cells. Then, UDA was tested for efficacy in a lethal SARS-CoV-infected BALB/c mouse model. BALB/c mice were infected with two LD50 (575 PFU) of virus for 4 h before the mice were treated intraperitoneally with UDA at 20, 10, 5 or 0 mg/kg/day for 4 days. Treatment with UDA at 5 mg/kg significantly protected the mice against a lethal infection with mouse-adapted SARS-CoV (p < 0.001), but did not significantly reduce virus lung titers. All virus-infected mice receiving UDA treatments were also significantly protected against weight loss (p < 0.001). UDA also effectively reduced lung pathology scores. At day 6 after virus exposure, all groups of mice receiving UDA had much lower lung weights than did the placebo-treated mice. Thus, our data suggest that UDA treatment of SARS infection in mice leads to a substantial therapeutic effect that protects mice against death and weight loss. Furthermore, the mode of action of UDA in vitro was further investigated using live SARS-CoV Urbani strain virus and retroviral particles pseudotyped with SARS-CoV spike (S). UDA specifically inhibited the replication of live SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV pseudotyped virus when added just before, but not after, adsorption. These data suggested that UDA likely inhibits SARS-CoV infection by targeting early stages of the replication cycle, namely, adsorption or penetration. In addition, we demonstrated that UDA neutralizes the virus infectivity, presumably by binding to the SARS-CoV spike (S) glycoprotein. Finally, the target molecule for the inhibition of virus replication was partially characterized. When UDA was exposed to N-acetylglucosamine and then UDA was added to cells just prior to adsorption, UDA did not inhibit the virus infection. These data support the conclusion that UDA might bind to N-acetylglucosamine-like residues present on the glycosylated envelope glycoproteins, thereby preventing virus attachment to cells
Posted by PeterMartin on March 12, 2020, at 1:01:12
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 11, 2020, at 2:40:05
Here's a case a scientist made for Lithium:
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 13, 2020, at 8:33:10
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 12, 2020, at 1:01:12
Hey Guys,
I think living healthily and adhering to good hygiene is really all that can be done. I quit going to massages, I quit eating out. I study at home anyway. I don't go to the doctors unless unavoidable. I am not so much worried about myself but the elderly in my surroundings. My father is not very worried. I am though. He is 81, I can't dictate how he lives his life.
Do you think there will be a shortage of psychmeds? That would be close to torture for me! I always have a stock of at least 6 up to 12 weeks.
Posted by beckett2 on March 13, 2020, at 12:34:12
In reply to Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 13, 2020, at 8:33:10
> Hey Guys,
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> I think living healthily and adhering to good hygiene is all that can be done. I quit going to massages, I quit eating out. I study at home anyway. I don't go to the doctors unless unavoidable. I am not so much worried about myself but the elderly in my surroundings. My father is not very worried. I am though. He is 81, I can't dictate how he lives his life.
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> Do you think there will be a shortage of psych meds? That would be close to torture for me! I always have a stock of at least 6 up to 12 weeks.
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>I don't think there will be a shortage of mental health meds, but if providers are overwhelmed, access may be disrupted.
The US Center for Disease Control recommends an extra supply of 4 to 6 weeks.
You know, I vacillate between mild alarm and just basic concern. US leadership does not inspire confidence. My MIL is 80 and has severe asthma, so I understand your concerns.
How is it in Germany?
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 13, 2020, at 12:57:26
In reply to Re: Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by beckett2 on March 13, 2020, at 12:34:12
Worse... they took a long time to react. We got 2500 cases in Germany.
Posted by beckett2 on March 13, 2020, at 13:20:02
In reply to Re: Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 13, 2020, at 12:57:26
> Worse... they took a long time to react. We got 2500 cases in Germany.
Yikes. Same here. To be blunt, our president is a dumbass with personal issues. At least Merkel is sane.
I think the US's relative isolation has delayed a major outbreak, but I expect we will.
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 14, 2020, at 6:49:07
In reply to Re: Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by beckett2 on March 13, 2020, at 13:20:02
In comparison, yes! But she had what looks like panic attacks during several official receptions. She said it was psychological, which doesn't really put my mind at ease at all. Usually she starts shaking during the national anthem. Go figure.
I am not the biggest fan but i would never vote for right wing populists because of that. I like direct democracy.
Posted by PeterMartin on March 15, 2020, at 1:05:41
In reply to Re: Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by Lamdage22 on March 14, 2020, at 6:49:07
Remember that 85%+ of US generic medications are manufacturered in India and China. China seems to be getting a grip on things, but if India gets hit hard there most definitely could be a shortage of certain medicines (at least their generic versions).
Posted by Lamdage22 on March 15, 2020, at 14:47:48
In reply to Re: Will there be shortages with meds? If so, when?, posted by PeterMartin on March 15, 2020, at 1:05:41
They are saying that there will be no shortages of meds in Germany at least until summer.
Posted by Hugh on March 31, 2020, at 19:14:19
In reply to Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by PeterMartin on March 3, 2020, at 13:15:00
Scientists in Canada have launched a study to test a drug they hope could prevent people from dying of lung complications caused by the respiratory disease COVID-19.
Researchers at the Montreal Heart Institute aim to recruit 6,000 COVID-19 patients for their COLCORONA study, according to a statement. The drug, called colchicine, is an anti-inflammatory pill used to treat gout, Behcet's syndrome -- which causes blood vessel inflammation -- and the genetic disorder Familial Mediterranean Fever, where people have a recurrent abnormal body temperature.
Professor Jean-Claude Tardif, director of the Research Centre at the Montreal Heart Institute, told Radio Canada his team believes the medication could stop what is known as a cytokine storm, where the immune system overreacts.
The drug "may reduce COVID-19-related complications in adults at risk or with evidence of an inflammatory storm," according to the institute's statement.
To take part in the study, participants must have been diagnosed with COVID-19; be aged at least 40 years old; not hospitalized, and be willing to take the drug or placebo for 30 days. Women who do not take contraceptives, or are pregnant or breastfeeding, are not eligible.
Complete article:
Posted by Hugh on April 7, 2020, at 10:12:36
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by Hugh on March 31, 2020, at 19:14:19
'Harry Potter' author J.K. Rowling says she's 'fully recovered' after experiencing 'all symptoms' of COVID-19
Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling has revealed that she has been suffering from "all symptoms" of COVID-19 over the past two weeks -- although hasn't been tested for it.
The writer shared the news via her Twitter account as she linked to a video featuring advice on how to relieve the respiratory symptoms of the virus while stating that she had followed it on the recommendation of her husband Neil Murray, a doctor.
She added that she has "fully recovered."Please watch this doc from Queens Hospital explain how to relieve respiratory symptoms. For last 2 weeks I've had all symptoms of C19 (tho haven't been tested) & did this on doc husband's advice. I'm fully recovered & technique helped a lot.
https://t.co/xo8AansUvc via @YouTube
-- J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) April 6, 2020https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jk-rowling-recovered-coronavirus-symptoms-150522933.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwLzAdriec0&feature=youtu.be
1. SIT UPRIGHT:
[Deep Breath and Hold it for 5 seconds] Do this 5 times
[Deep Breath and Cough Into Cloth] after the 6th deep breath
Repeat the 6 deep breaths plus cough a 2nd time.2. LIE ON STOMACH:
[Breath slightly deeper than normal]
Continue for 10 minutes.3. REPEAT REGULARLY.
Posted by Hugh on May 25, 2020, at 13:28:40
In reply to Re: Medicines/Supplement that might help 4 coronavirus, posted by Hugh on March 31, 2020, at 19:14:19
One layer of a tightly woven cotton sheet combined with two layers of polyester-spandex chiffon -- a sheer fabric often used in evening gowns -- filtered out the most aerosol particles (80-99%, depending on particle size), with performance close to that of an N95 mask material. Substituting the chiffon with natural silk or flannel, or simply using a cotton quilt with cotton-polyester batting, produced similar results. The researchers point out that tightly woven fabrics, such as cotton, can act as a mechanical barrier to particles, whereas fabrics that hold a static charge, like certain types of chiffon and natural silk, serve as an electrostatic barrier. However, a 1% gap reduced the filtering efficiency of all masks by half or more, emphasizing the importance of a properly fitted mask.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200424081648.htm
"While medical masks have limited durability and little potential for reprocessing, face shields can be reused indefinitely and are easily cleaned with soap and water, or common household disinfectants," they wrote. "They are comfortable to wear, protect the portals of viral entry, and reduce the potential for autoinoculation by preventing the wearer from touching their face."
And unlike medical masks, face shields do not have to be removed to communicate with others, they said.
Moreover, they noted a simulation study of influenza virus found face shields reduced viral exposure by 96% when worn within 18 inches of a cough, and when this study was repeated using the recommended distancing protocol of 6 feet, inhaled virus was reduced by 92%.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86273
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