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Posted by bleauberry on May 11, 2018, at 11:03:16
My docs say 9/10. Harvard says 3/10. Nobody really knows. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle - how about 6/10?
In any case, for every 10 names here at babble, according to Harvard, at least 3 of them are receiving the wrong treatment. My doctor would say 9 of them are receiving the wrong treatment. The truth is maybe 6 out of 10 of us have Lyme. And I can tell you very emphatically, as most of you know, that a primary reason for the existence of 'treatment resistance' is the presence of lyme. When the lyme is controlled and managed, our treatment resistance becomes responsive for the first time....here's the article....
Because the symptoms are so variable and they mimic the symptoms of other chronic conditions, most doctors do not even think of testing for Lyme disease much less providing any kind of treatment. In the rare instance testing is done, however, standard tests miss over 90% of chronic Lyme disease cases.
More than 100 medical disorders can masquerade as psychological conditions, according to Harvard psychiatrist Barbara Schildkrout. Studies have suggested that medical conditions may cause mental-health issues in as many as 25% of psychiatric patients and contribute to them in more than 75%.
Untangling cause and effect can challenge even seasoned clinicians, and the potential for missed diagnoses is growing these days. Most mental-health counselors rely on primary-care doctors to spot medical issues, but those physicians are increasingly time-pressed and may not know their patients well. Neither do the psychiatrists who mainly write prescriptions and see patients only briefly.
The Connection Between Lyme and Mental Illness
Lyme disease has become the undiagnosed and untreated epidemic of the 21st century. While it is often attributed to tick bites, recent studies have also shown that it may also be transmitted by mosquitoes. Lyme disease is a bacterial infection caused by the spirochete (Borrelia burgdorferi) which can mimic virtually any disease often leading to misdiagnosis such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, fibromyalgia and depression.Lyme disease is a serious condition affecting multiple areas of the body.
As with many chronic conditions, symptoms can be complex and severe chronic Lyme disease can lead to debilitating symptoms, other than fatigue, such as depression, bipolar disorder, panic attacks, weakness, or twitching. It can also be associated with neurological disorders such as multiple sclerosis, dementia, such as Alzheimers disease, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS or Lou Gehrigs disease).
In a published study in the Journal of Psychiatry, one third of psychiatric patients showed signs of an infection with the Lyme spirochete, Borrelia burgdorferi. It has been found that that even severe neuropsychiatric behavioral symptoms in this population can often be reversed or ameliorated when a multi-system treatment program targeting Lyme disease is used. Patients with late-stage Lyme disease may present with a variety of neurological and psychiatric problems, ranging from mild to severe. These can include memory impairment, dyslexia, seizures, anxiety, panic attacks and psychosis. Violent behavior, range attacks, mood swings, sleep disorders, obsessive compulsive behavior and ADD/ADHD can also be present.
Such symptoms may be dormant, only surfacing years later. The infection can often also result in hormonal deficiencies, abnormal activation of coagulation and immune dysfunction, which can all contribute to the cause of symptoms.
For the rest of the article, here is the link...
https://www.holtorfmed.com/lyme-disease-psychiatric-disorders/
Posted by linkadge on May 11, 2018, at 16:26:27
In reply to Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by bleauberry on May 11, 2018, at 11:03:16
Please post the link to the Harvard study which concludes that 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme's.
Thanks, in advance.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on May 11, 2018, at 16:30:18
In reply to Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by bleauberry on May 11, 2018, at 11:03:16
You gave a link that references a study with no actual reference given. There is no link, no researcher given, no pubmed reference. Nothing.
Oftentimes, the results of a study (if it exists) are taken way out of context, when no references are given.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on May 11, 2018, at 22:58:46
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 11, 2018, at 16:30:18
> You gave a link that references a study with no actual reference given. There is no link, no researcher given, no pubmed reference. Nothing.
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> Oftentimes, the results of a study (if it exists) are taken way out of context, when no references are given.Not to gang up on you, Bleauberry, but I have to agree with Linkadge. What Barbara Schildkrout is reported to have said is absolutely right. You may notice, though, that no one medical condition is named or otherwise alluded to by her. Certainly, there is no mention of Lyme Disease. However, it is good that people begin to think of mental illness as being the result of a diseased or compromised organ - the brain - and thus a dysfunction of the mind-body connection.
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on May 12, 2018, at 9:25:07
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 11, 2018, at 16:30:18
I was just surfing and stumbled onto it. I didn't realize the link didn't have what you were looking for.
I would suggest contacting Harvard and asking them your questions. It's their stuff not mine.
I'm sure it would not be too hard to find on Google.
> You gave a link that references a study with no actual reference given. There is no link, no researcher given, no pubmed reference. Nothing.
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> Oftentimes, the results of a study (if it exists) are taken way out of context, when no references are given.
>
> Linkadge
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Posted by linkadge on May 12, 2018, at 18:34:33
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme » linkadge, posted by bleauberry on May 12, 2018, at 9:25:07
>I didn't realize the link didn't have what you
>were looking for.What I am looking for???
I am just looking for something meaningful to support *your* claims.
Of course, I can do my own Google searches, and I have. I'm not finding any reliable data that backs the assertions made.
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 13, 2018, at 8:34:33
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 12, 2018, at 18:34:33
So what is the test and why doesnt my doctor check for underlying causes?
Posted by Jeroen on May 14, 2018, at 11:29:12
In reply to Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by bleauberry on May 11, 2018, at 11:03:16
CBD has failed, i do feel a slight anti depressant effect and i tought it was working, the bugs have adapted again, im going for doxycycline and a strong pro biotic next time i see my doctor
Posted by bleauberry on May 22, 2018, at 15:00:25
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 12, 2018, at 18:34:33
Sometimes with the battles against our symptoms and our own preconceived views of how things should or shouldn't be, we can tend to be skeptical or pessimistic with new information. I get that. I was like that. For a long time. The entire time I was here. The entire time I was treatment resistant.
I didn't have the ability to defeat treatment resistance until I first shed the pessimism and opened my eyes. There is so much on google to support everything I have said.. If you aren't finding it, try different search words.
Try Bill Rawls MD. He is sharing stories of his patients online. But there are literally hundreds.
If nothing else, you should search for stories of other lyme patients and their recoveries. Because in most of them you see what I say. You see psychiatry troubles not being treated very well. You see great suffering that doctors are not competent to handle. You see miraculous recoveries once their eyes were opened to other things they hadn't been aware of.
The difference with those success stories, my success story, and treatment resistant patients, is that the success stories came very close to death before shedding their pessimism and opening their eyes.
I hope people here will open their eyes before it gets that bad.
If you find and read say a dozen or more stories of recovered lyme patients, you will see yourself in those stories, very likely. Or at the very lease, a lot of uncanny similarities that make you wonder.
But it's a personal thing. I know from experience that hand-feeding a skeptic doesn't work. You can't ride on somebody else's coat tails. You have to actually make personal decision to open the eyes wider and not be content with the way things have gone. As far as I can tell, despite the great suffering of patients at babble, many of them are content with it. They are not comfortable stepping out of the safety zone or the comfort zone. I was like that. So I totally get it.
> >I didn't realize the link didn't have what you
> >were looking for.
>
> What I am looking for???
>
> I am just looking for something meaningful to support *your* claims.
>
> Of course, I can do my own Google searches, and I have. I'm not finding any reliable data that backs the assertions made.
>
> Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on May 22, 2018, at 16:42:44
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme » linkadge, posted by bleauberry on May 22, 2018, at 15:00:25
I'm not saying that it isn't a component in a number of people's depression / mood disorder.
I'm just saying that antibiotics are not benign. I think that the majority of depression is not related to Lymes and that using antibiotics could actually make things worse for such patients.For example - cannabis is helping me. However, I would not push this as a cure all for everybody. For some people's mood disorders it could make things dramatically worse.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on May 22, 2018, at 21:12:12
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 22, 2018, at 16:42:44
> For example - cannabis is helping me.
Still?
Yay!
Please post your CBD/THC formula once you feel that it has settled in.
I doubt cannabis would be helpful to me. In the past, it gave me intense social phobia/anxiety.
- Scott
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 23, 2018, at 13:09:15
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme » linkadge, posted by SLS on May 22, 2018, at 21:12:12
>it gave me intense social phobia/anxiety.
Me too. I even got anxiety from CBD without THC.
Posted by linkadge on May 25, 2018, at 14:37:48
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by Lamdage22 on May 23, 2018, at 13:09:15
> >it gave me intense social phobia/anxiety.
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> Me too. I even got anxiety from CBD without THC.
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>Not sure what doses you started with. I haven't taken any more than 1-2mg of THC per dose. For CBD I take in the 5-10mg range which is very low.
I didn't get any anxiety. Mind you, I eat a lot of cocoa/chocolate and this (apparently) has a cannabinoid like effect. I may be sensitized to it.
Everybody is different.
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 26, 2018, at 4:04:08
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by linkadge on May 25, 2018, at 14:37:48
The dose of CBD was pretty high. I dont know how high though
Posted by linkadge on May 26, 2018, at 7:17:44
In reply to Re: Harvard - 1/3 of Psychiatric Patients have Lyme, posted by Lamdage22 on May 26, 2018, at 4:04:08
Hmm. You might start at a lower dose.
Linkadge
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