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IQ and mental problems

Posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2018, at 15:36:30

what's the current understanding of the relationship between IQ level and mental (ill)health?

I did a quick search, and i got everything from "Higher IQ protects people from psychosis" to "High IQ is associated with a higer risk of 'pure Bipolar I' ," so...yeah. Kinda curious.

does it vary by diagnosis, maybe? higher IQ results in lower risk of Schizophrenia, higher Bipolar I?

OK. Thanks.

 

Re: IQ and mental problems

Posted by rjlockhart37 on February 13, 2018, at 17:25:45

In reply to IQ and mental problems, posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2018, at 15:36:30

i've noticed some of the highest IQ smart, they are different, mensa society of the top 2% intelligence in the US, they see things easier and more of big picture. But also this is another thing....the mad hatter, the character in disney movies, he's incredibly s'mart and precise, but at the same time he's a bit insane, hence th term "madness". Knows the work of things, but at a same time has a madness, or kinda insanity with it. There's alot of more other examples than that....so it's both ways, you can be smart and high IQ, on both ways. It's also like obsessed with playing chess for hours a day and all the days of the year, you get more smart but in a way it drives them into madness. But still also, yes you can have mood swings, and mania where you get all these flight of grand ideas, and still be miraculously intelligent

 

Re: IQ and mental problems

Posted by linkadge on February 14, 2018, at 16:03:45

In reply to IQ and mental problems, posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2018, at 15:36:30

There is some research along these lines. I suppose, higher IQ may offer some degree of protection against hallucinations / delusions in the sense that they can be better reasoned out?

I read a study which shows that musical training is protective against hallucinations in otherwise predisposed individuals.

There can be a grey matter loss associated with schizophrenia. Perhaps higher IQ results in less grey matter loss / or more initial reserves.

Linkadge

 

Re: IQ and mental problems

Posted by baseball55 on February 14, 2018, at 17:41:31

In reply to IQ and mental problems, posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2018, at 15:36:30

How many people actually take IQ tests and have known IQ scores? It is not a test that is done in schools. Therefore, I would imagine that the IQ tests may well be administered after a person is in the mental health system. If so, correlation vs causation issues would make any conclusion pretty much worthless.

I know when I was in the state hospital system as a teen, I took an IQ test as part of the whole screening. It was the only time I ever took an IQ test and I don't imagine that has changed much in the US.


> what's the current understanding of the relationship between IQ

level and mental (ill)health?
>
> I did a quick search, and i got everything from "Higher IQ protects people from psychosis" to "High IQ is associated with a higer risk of 'pure Bipolar I' ," so...yeah. Kinda curious.
>
> does it vary by diagnosis, maybe? higher IQ results in lower risk of Schizophrenia, higher Bipolar I?
>
> OK. Thanks.

 

Re: IQ and mental problems

Posted by linkadge on February 14, 2018, at 19:19:21

In reply to Re: IQ and mental problems, posted by baseball55 on February 14, 2018, at 17:41:31

Hey,

You can perform a quick pubmed search to verify that this is a well studied risk factor for worse outcome in schizophrenia. It's not a matter of political correctness. There are many other 'risk factors' associated with worse outcome in schizophrenia and other mental health issues (i.e. low socioeconomic status).

In the very least, identifying the groups which may need the most assistance is the first step in allocating limited resources. Here is a 2018 study. You can easily search pubmed to find a plethora of research on risk factors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29352556

"Six factors were highly suggestive (ethnic minority in low ethnic density area, second generation immigrants, trait anhedonia, premorbid IQ, minor physical anomalies, and olfactory identification ability),"

Linkadge

 

Re: IQ and mental problems

Posted by Christ_empowered on February 15, 2018, at 10:01:57

In reply to Re: IQ and mental problems, posted by linkadge on February 14, 2018, at 19:19:21

hi. me again.

i think all psychiatrists estimate their patients' IQ during treatment. I don't know how good those estimates are, but I think its part of standard, ongoing treatment.

i guess im just curious because so much DSM stuff seems so subjective and...I question the validity of a lot of it, honestly and yet...

people do have mental problems, and some of the available drugs do help, sometimes. I was just kind of hoping that maybe IQ (estimate or actual tested level) was somehow a part of diagnosis, or that maybe there was some sort of data on how IQ affects long term functioning.



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