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Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 3, 2017, at 22:39:20
i've been thinking about posting this, this is just thought and info purposes, difference between evekeo and dexedrine, evekeo had more of alertness, dexedrine was smoother, mainly improved mood more, i read the things that they use to keep task force awake now is provigil, but long ago they used benezdrine which is now known as eveko, it's both equal isomers dextro/levo .. dextro isomer releases dopamine, while levo isomer usually only acts only on nor-epinephrine.....
racemic amphetamine = dextro/levo isomer
dexdedrine = only dextro isomerracemtic form reduce abuse potential because itcontains half of d-amphetamine, yet providing same alertness, but all classes are abusable, but levo isomer does not release dopamine, it's mainly nor-epinephrine ....this is some history of use of past benzedrine in the military:
http://lmharchive.ca/benzedrine-sulphate-used-in-war-operations-by-brook-durham/
they wrote both "improvement" of mental state, then the abuse part of it, and down side of it, so all that is documented
but racematic amphetamine, 30mg is equivalent to only 15mg of dextroamphetamine, which would make it less abusable because it's less d-amphetamine. they started using dexedrine because it's more potent, levo isomer - it's less psychoactive, it increases alertness without dopamine release
provigil and nuvigil .. their very expensive without insurance....provigil lasts 6 hours, while nuvigil lasts 8 hours, both still linger in system for about 5-7 hours after...they just keeps you awake and alert, i take nuvigil from my doctor, all really does is increases wakefulness, not really a psycho-stimulant. It's like coffee without nervousness, its very good for alertness also, abuse potential is low
evekeo/dexedrine mainly only lasts 3-4 hours, quick half life.... which in some theory could be better because provigil lasts 6-8 hours and could cause insomnia if taken too late, there's of course vyvanse, but when i took vyvanse it took 2 hours to reach the peak effect, it lasted around 7-8 hours with me, then it wore off slowly, and during that time it was unpleasant feeling for long time, dexedrine took only 45min to reach peak effect, it was immediate, lasted about 3 hours ...it wore off very fast... no slow wear off
i'd just thought id post this for info, took long time to write, hope it informs you just a little between the two forms, thanks for reading
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 3, 2017, at 23:00:18
In reply to evekeo comparison to dexedrine, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 3, 2017, at 22:39:20
posted this now im really not happy with myself, but it's posted on research i found from sources
Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 4, 2017, at 23:15:04
In reply to Re: evekeo comparison to dexedrine, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 3, 2017, at 23:00:18
but main point: racemic amphetamine seems less abusable, since its only half dextroamphetaine, it still could be a good choice for keeping task force going without having a long half life, provigil lasts 6-8 hours, its best for in the morning, same to vyvase, evekeo could be used for urgent wakeup for doing missions, it wears off quick
i think should never be used, m-amphetamine from research, it produces wakefulness but also a euphoria, that could hightned mood state which could change judgement, too much of stimulant dosage can drastically change judgement, you become over-aggressive and confident, but you still make errors... makes a delusion, rather than baseline state, m-amphtamine is not at all a good choice, that article stated that back in the 1940s from using it on soldiers, just racemic form evekeo i think would be a better option,
i was just doing research on depression, and i randomly came across articles written long time ago about use of stimulants in task force, but still all of those type have documented things of abuse, no matter what form, too many people take adderall today, go to class they pull out there presciption bottle and take like 2, very irritating, too much use of it will wear down your dopamine levels, and you'll start to have stressed stimulation where it's working but your mental functions are exhausted and significantly decreased
hope you learned a little info, thanks for reading
Posted by B2chica on September 30, 2017, at 1:04:46
In reply to Re: evekeo comparison to dexedrine, posted by rjlockhart37 on September 4, 2017, at 23:15:04
this came just at the right time... i'm online tonight because my last trial of new variant of adderall is not right. i get more physical energy, but then it jumps to way too much and it doesnt seem to help my cognition/focus at all.
i am taking the names of eveko and zenzedi to my pdoc.... in fact now that i say that name, i think he even mentioned zenzedi to me last time, but thought it might be too expensive...
anyway. not in a good place last couple weeks. my body kind of shut down after last breakdown last week and i've been sick since. now getting little better and my mood is for crap. starting to have S. ideation again.anyway.... Thank you very much rjlockhart, you may feel unsure about it but it's information. we can each determine what we want/need to take from it. and for me its at least a name. the name of one more thing that just MAY work for me. Hope. that's what i'm needing.
so thanks!
b2
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