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Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

Hi everybody. I've used to be a regular here for many years. Long time. At least 20 years I think. Psychobabble was a brand new thing back when I first joined.

I just wanted to share hope and faith with everybody here that cure and remission are possible. While each person's journey is unique and different depending on their own genetics and experiences, I believe the causes of chronic resistant major depression and its associated syndromes - anxiety, schizophrenia - are not idiopathic. That's a fancy medical word that means doctors have no idea why it happens - many medical terms come from Greek and this one came from the word idiot.

Most doctors approach depression as idiopathic and do not make much of an effort to figure out what the actual cause of the symptoms are. This is why we all get so sick. The doctors are looking to help you with relief, but they honestly have no clue how you got sick in the first place or how to do make you un-sick. The best they can do, usually, is try to help you feel better with chemical molecules that have various affinities for brain receptors.

My journey was about 25 years of intense suffering. It included over 12 psychiatrists, several M.D.s, every drug you can name except for Nardil, failed 12 bilateral ECT treatments, and backpacks full of unsatisfactory medicines and herbs. The beginning of the end of my nightmare came when a Nurse Practitioner said, "I wonder if you have Lyme disease." We had no way of knowing, and testing is not very accurate, but it was a really good question. It was a life saving question.

To make a long story short, I was cured by anti-inflammatory herbs, anti-microbial herbs, pro-immune herbs, and anti-toxicity herbs, and rotations of various prescription antibiotics. These did what no psychiatric medicine on earth can do - restore you to who you were before depression hit. In my case, about 90% restored. In terms of depression improvement, that would be about 98%, with a little bit of anhedonia still there sometimes.

My NP told me that most patients do not do what I did - I researched topics I didn't know, I asked questions, I tried things, I figured if strangers calling themselves psychiatrists were going to use me as a guinnea pig and charge me huge dollars to do it, well, I got straight A's in science and chemistry and biology, so I can guinea pig myself thank you. Obviously their best guinea-pigging over a course of 20 years was absolutely worthless. I see that happening with people here at this board. Patients who get outside the box and really try to help themselves probably will help themselves. Those who serve as puppets to whatever the doctor says, may or may not ever see improvement, but remission is almost for sure an unrealistic goal.

The doctors do the best they can but they are just too overloaded with patient loads, new information, fast paced discoveries and technology, their own personal biases - it's hard to keep up with all that is new. What is new and promising today won't find its way into medical textbooks for another 10 or 20 years. It's that stuff not yet in medical textbooks that is much more likely to help you than the stuff that is in textbooks. We know that simply because you are here.

To get a better feel for what I am talking about, watch some TV shows - Mystery Diagnosis, for example, and Monsters Within Me. These are available on Youtube to watch whatever episodes you want. Focus not on the stories themselves, but on how moods were impacted by a variety of things you weren't aware of, and how they look a lot like you and me and everyone here.

Monsters Within Me seems to focus mostly on mysterious patient symptoms that turn out to be a result of some sort of microbial invasion, such as any number of tick born diseases (not just lyme), other critter bites, mold, parasites, bacteria, viruses, etc. Sometimes they get good test results but many times not - many times they just have to try stuff on a hunch - which is how I got cured. If you wait for definitive testing, you will be dead first. Imo

When you watch these shows, focus on how these perfectly healthy patients suffered symptoms exactly like what we all talk about here at psychobabble - the mood swings, tremors, fear, doom, depression, anxiety, nervousness, nightmares, hearing things, mind racing, all that stuff. These things don't just happen for no reason. These things don't happen because your body has a prozac molecule deficiency. Something upsets the apple cart of mood chemicals. They just don't go sour all by themselves. We have to find what made them sour so we can get better.

Fortunately anybody who wants to see if their journey could be as successful as mine, the answer is yes. Imo The hard part is coming to the realization that psychiatric medicines don't get you there hardly ever, and that you have to learn something totally new. That is hard. Without that, you may still be here in 5 or 10 years. Imo

Once I got the right treatment going - which was a best guess at the time - not a solid diagnosis - it was at least half a year before I showed any psychiatric improvement at all. But compared to the previous failed 20 years, I was prepared to stick it out a while. It started as a few great hours on an afternoon. It happened again a month later. The next month it was a whole day. The next month two whole days of normalcy. And with a turtle's pace, I got better, the body healed itself, with the right help. The psychiatric medicines were not the right help. They don't cure any disease. They only tweek brain chemistry. Sort of like rolling the dice, we hope to get lucky and tweek it right.

That said, some psychiatric meds do have antimicrobial activity. Seroquel, for example. Have you ever noticed how some people say they felt great when they first started Seroquel and then it pooped out fairly quickly and then they felt worse than before? The microbial activity is not enough to cure anything, but it is enough to gather clues. Here's what happens when someone who doesn't know they have a tick born disease takes an antibiotic - in the first day to 3 days they feel better than they have felt in longer than they can remember - it's like a miracle - but the honeymoon is really short - by day 5 to day 7 the patient is feeling worse again. That is a solid diagnostic pattern often used by LLMDs. It has a physical explanation if anyone is interested just ask.

I had two expert M.D.s who's patients come from as far away as Alaska. They were not only experts on Lyme (LLMD = Lyme Literate M.D.) but also on psychiatry, much more than psychiatrists. As a matter of fact, if there is one thing psychiatrists should be experts on but are not, it is tick born infections. They almost universally cause psychiatric symptoms in nearly everybody. And yet hardly ever even considered.

These two doctors, from different states, both told me the same thing. I am paraphrasing, but it goes something like this, "9 out of 10 new patients come from specialists who failed to help the patient. 9 out of 10 have long psychiatric histories with unsuccessful management. All of these patients are able to dramatically reduce dosage or withdraw meds completely with tick-born treatments - whether there was a good diagnosis or not does not matter. The response to treatment is the diagnosis." My own journey proved both of these doctor statements to be spot on, more accurate than anything any doctor had ever told me my entire life. Both of these doctors had tick born diseases themselves, which is where their initial interest and expertise was born.

I would just say this, that if you have been suffering a really long time, that considering other treatments in addition to what you are doing might make sense. Study some herbal Lyme books - not to learn about Lyme, but to learn about how damaging stealth inflammation is to the brain and mood, and what to do about it. Study things like NAC, glutathione, and detox pathways. You want heightened detox capabilitiies if you are to ever cure depression - most of the mood issues are from toxins hitting the receptors instead of your own mood chemicals. Anti-microbial is a big thing, as you will discover in those TV documentaries. Don't take my word for it. You will see for yourself.

Basically, if you blindly approached chronic long-term resistant major depression with these strategies, you would likely improve a great deal and remission would be a realistic goal to shoot for: 1)Anti-inflammation strategies - herbs, meds, grocery cart choices; 2)Anti-toxicity strategies - supplements, herbs, grocery cart choices. 3)Anti-microbial strategies - herbs alone can work, better with antibiotics, always use either herbs or antibiotics in combinations, never singularly (that's how resistance happens).; 4)Pro-immune strategies. The psychiatric meds themselves should be used for what they are - bandaids - use them to improve the quality of your life, sleep, energy, whatever you can improve, but don't count on them as gods or gateways to remission. That is where most of us get stuck. The LLMDs I mentioned prescribe a lot of psychiatric meds, but they do it differently. They know that often times either super low doses - 1/10th of the lowest dose - or sometimes extremely high doses - 3 times the max - are often necessary. But if the treating doctor doesn't know that, then you never will either.

What are some of the best psychiatric treatments that actually work to help improve some of your symptoms? Well, the ones I heard talked about commonly were the antipsychotics and the stimulants mostly. Ritalin is described as being the most helpful drug to the most people for the most amount of symptoms - a good all around general drug to help psychiatric patients and yet it is hardly ever used except for ADHD. Sometimes the tricyclics are helpful and the SSRIs are still popular, though they don't usually shoot for normal dose ranges. All of these fall short, however, without the actual treatments and lifestyle adjustments that focus on remission and healing instead of individual symptoms.

SUPPORT THE RIGHTEOUS AND DISPELL THE EVIL. This is the approach that works. This is borrowed from Chinese medicine on the Eastern side of the world. The 'righteous' is your immune system - the 'evil' is anything giving your immune system a hard time (stealth unsuspected untestable infections and harmful foods).

There is not much detail here - on purpose - but if someone has questions please feel free to ask. Supplying details at this time would make this post about the size of a book.

It's all fairly easy actually to make a diagnosis and start treatment. You just need the right books to read and a nurse or doctor with more of a holistic approach to the body than a bandaid approach. The compartmentalized and protocol approach of modern medicine has so many weak areas. We suffer because of that. It's not a lack of knowledge. It's not a lack of drugs. It's a lack of open minds. It's not a lack of good doctors. It's an overabundance of relatively closed minds and lack of proper training. It's a general attitude of relying on the FDA and CDC for miracles instead of the wisdom of the doctor sitting right in front of you, the wisdom of common sense, not even realizing that the FDA and CDC unwittingly actually make our illnesses worse not better - unforeseen consequences of doing things a certain rigid way. You can totally get better - but not likely with a rigid view of psychiatric that only recognizes whatever was sponsored or peer reviewed, both of which often turn out not useful or flawed.

Psychiatry plays an important role in getting better. Improve quality of life as much as you can. It will make healing happen smoother and faster, if you have healing strategies in place. But don't count on it for a cure. You can count on other things to do that. They go together. Not one or the other. Once in a great while we see someone here at babble totally cured by a med or a cocktail and it doesn't poop out and they come back years later to give us all hope. I haven't done stats, but you know as well as I do that those kinds of stories are rare. Those kinds of stories should not be your goal unless you live in Las Vegas and you are a gambler with your future.

The total time of my depression was about 25 years. The total time from when I started a different treatment other than psychiatry until I was cured was about 3 years. I stayed on psych meds about 1 year through that and then slowly weaned off, primarily out of disgust and frustration more than any other reason.

I hope this post will plant seeds of hope in your life. Remission is a realistic goal. Even if your treatment resistant depression is over 25 years old, a new life is within reach. To find that potential only requires learning new things, which are mostly found in the study of tick born diseases, imo. That kind of study covers most of the bases even if the cause of the depression is not a tick born disease. The things you need to know about depression are in Lyme books, even if you don't have Lyme and don't care to learn about it. There are no better depression books than Lyme books. That's because unlike other books, they actually tell you in great detail, in cascading detail, in chemistry detail, how the mood chemicals get altered, contaminated, blocked, inflamed, and corrupted by a variety of outside sources, most of which we never suspect.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:33:23

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

Vitamin D is often very low in stealth unsuspected infections impacting mood. This in turn weakens the immune system and brings on bone and muscle problems. A lab test for Vitamin D is cheap, easy, and a decent clue.

In my case outdoors in the sun a lot. So I should have had ample vitamin D. I also took a multivitamin that had 100% RDA of vitamin D in it. And yet my vitamin D was only 25% of normal. ???

This is a common clue something is really wrong, something you hadn't thought about.

Another one is CD57. This is cheap and easy to test. It is an immune system marker. It is often low or out of range in stealth unsuspected infections. If this is not within normal range, something you hadn't considered is going on.

And there are at least a dozen other similar tests not known by most psychiatrists.

To show your doctor what these tests are and how they apply to your depression, get the book WHY CANT I GET BETTER. This is a very in-depth scientific medical book written to help people get better who aren't getting better. The approaches are basically what I wrote about in the post above, but the testing strategies are really helpful to make sense of what is actually happening. The other common tests such as thyroid, routine blood, serotonin levels, whatever, these are all fairly useless. Say for example your thyroid comes back out of range. Well, ok. What sent it out range? That's the important question if you really want to get better. And how can we test things to gather clues? That's what this book does.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:46:47

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

I highly recommend the book Healing Lyme by Stephen Harrod Buhner. His strategies are actually curing real difficult patients like you and me all across the country.

For regular people, parts of the book are in plain English. For science buffs, parts of the book are in medical detail for the clinician to learn.

Excellent followups:
Natural Treatments for Lyme Coinfections - anaplasma, babesia, and enrilichia.
Healing Lyme disease Coinfections, Bartonella and Mycoplasma

Lyme disease and Modern Chinese Medicine, Dr. Zhang Clinic NYC.
Excellent medical information and layman too. This book utilizes the best of eastern and western medicine blended together. This is in tune with my post.

These books explain clearly how various things you and I never consider cause psychiatric symptoms and neurological symptoms. For example, just take the topic ofinflammation, it doesn't have Lyme as its only cause - it could be inflammation from other causes - but the treatment of inflammation is what will help mood, regardless of the cause. Hopefully we can nail the cause too. But even if we can't, if we can stop the cascading negative effects of inflammation, we win in many ways, including mood.

A person who never had Lyme, doesn't have Lyme, doesn't care to learn about it, can be cured of depression by things they learn studying these kinds of books. imo

That was me 5 years ago.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:57:04

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

I'll never forget the story my doc shared of a patient who had been on all sorts of psych meds and treatments for depression who felt best on 1 drop of lexapro. Just so you know, 1 drop is 1/10th of a milligram. There is no way that could help somebody's depression, right? If it did then it had to be a placebo effect, right? Well, actually no. It was real. She crashed without that drop.

I mention this just to plant a seed - sometimes we get bogged down into finding a predetermined dose, a so-called normal dose, titrating up to the highest dose as fast as we can, or whatever. Sometimes people get better by thinking outside the box. I am reminded of another patient who responds well to prozac but only at 120mg a day and it has to be brand not generic. Another one got cured with rhodiola, a great herb for depression, but at a dose of 1200mg instead of the more common 500mg.

My own personal experience found the most benefit in the psychiatric arena with these:

Prozac instead of other ssri's, Zoloft second choice
Zyprexa instead of other ap's
Ritalin, Modafinil, or Adderall
Parnate was good for mood but very troublesome in terms of side effects and quality of life.

One of the two Lyme expert M.D.s I got treatment from claimed that he had the most success with Lexapro.

In any case, these meds can help our quality of life if we get the choices and the doses right. But for the next level, a step up, remission, we will likely need something the psychiatrist cannot prescribe for us.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by linkadge on August 22, 2017, at 9:24:03

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:57:04

Hi Blueberry,

My own personal path to healing has involved the use many alternatives. I would say 2/3 of my improvement is from alternatives and 1/3 from traditional medications.

However, I would not go as far as to say I am cured. I have a high anxiety temperament which, faithfully returns in the absence of ongoing treatment. The anxiety eventually leads to insomnia, depression and mood instability.

I can treat that anxiety with alternatives or regular medicine, but (in my case) I don't think it is the result of an infection. I have been like this for as long as I can remember.

Linkadge


 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by SLS on August 22, 2017, at 18:23:29

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by linkadge on August 22, 2017, at 9:24:03

Hi Linkadge.

Hi Bleauberry.

A friend of mine would like some recommendations on how to treat depression without drugs.

I was wondering what herbs and supplements you have had the most success with for depression?

How do you feel about combining St. John's Wort with lithium oratate.

I don't know what dosage of lithium oratate would equal 300 mg of lithium carbonate.

Thanks.


- Scott

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable bleauberry

Posted by SLS on August 22, 2017, at 18:27:06

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

Hi Bleauberry.

I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort you invest in your participation here. I don't agree with all of your perspectives, but having alternatives is a good thing.


- Scott

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 6:08:00

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by linkadge on August 22, 2017, at 9:24:03

Hi Link, I just wanted to comment that I don't think the amount of time has anything to do with it - many stealth infections and issues come from the mother in the placenta or from childhood you don't remember. The long passage of time is just a measuring stick of progress. You mentioned anxiety which then cascades into worse problems. That is exactly what I am talking about. That anxiety is not a disease to treat. It is a symptom of something else. Imo. It has an actual physical chemical explanation to it. We don't know what that is and may never know, but it doesn't matter, because if we cover the bases of inflammation, toxicity, and microbes, then we will likely nail it - sort of like a shotgun blast where you don't have to be real accurate to make a huge dent.

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Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2017, at 6:39:15

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by SLS on August 22, 2017, at 18:23:29

> I don't know what dosage of lithium oratate would equal 300 mg of lithium carbonate.

I dont know if you should take the equivalent of 300mg lithium carbonate. I heard somewhere that Lithium Orotate can be harsher on the kidney than Lithium Carbonate if you use equivalent dosages.

I take 360mg Lithium Orotate equivalent to i think 15mg Lithium. I get pretty much the same effect from low doses of lithium carbonate so if i run out of Lithium Orotate i can still get almost the same effect.

Low doses of lithium have a very good effect on thoughts of hurting myself. Even drinking water can make a difference https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1699579

I do not plan to get off of the 15mg Lithium ever. Its the cleanest and best drug.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2017, at 6:41:48

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by Lamdage22 on August 23, 2017, at 6:39:15

Its not really a drug at these dosages. I dont like drugs.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 7:29:15

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by SLS on August 22, 2017, at 18:23:29

Scott the herbs I have found most helpful for mood improvement, are the same ones used in treating Lyme. Cat's Claw, Polygonum Cupsidatum (Japanese Knotweed), Andrographis, Houttuynia, Berberine, high dose vitamin C, medium/high dose vitamin D despite sun exposure, N-acetyl-cysteine, alpha lipoid acid - the umbrella approach to mood improvement.

The herbs known for mood improvement can work as good as SSRIS but my guess is the overall efficacy is about as reliable as the meds we are all familiar with. It's still a guessing game. It still requires trying something for a long enough trial with no guarantees of anything good coming from it.

One of the first herbs to help me profoundly was SJW. A psychiatrist kicked me off of it. Bad mistake. But that's another story for another day....

If a friend came to me and said he/she was depressed and wanted to take herbs and supplements for it but not meds, here's what I would suggest.

Start with mood control rather than an umbrella approach because we need quality of life improvement as fast as possible. Healing will take longer. But we do want to add the umbrella approach later.

I would start with Rhodiola Rosea. I would consider as add-ons or replacements if it failed St Johns Wort with Lemon Balm combination (special synergy for depression), and Berberine. Peurarian is often recommended in Chinese medicine for brain issues and brain inflammation and mood improvement, and I only tried it one day and have no experience with it.

These herbs can be combined any way desired. Herbal treatments usually work better when there is synergy from multiple herbs with overlapping mechanisms. I have no problem combining Rhodiola, SJW, and Lemon Balm, and whatever else. But like meds, start them one at a time, titrate slowly to see what each change does before moving along too hastily. A lot of good treatments went in the trash because patients didn't understand natural healing is going to take longer and feel more subtle while it is happening. Cannot bail out too early. A patient trying herbs needs at least a 3 month window to get a hint of what power the herbs have, and then another 3 to 18 months for continued healing and improvement.

I think magnesium is a better alternative than lithium if mood stability or calming is desired. They serve similar purposes, except that the body needs healthy amounts of magnesium and our diets are usually very low in it. I've seen stories of bipolar patients who were helped somewhat by lithium orotate but helped noticeably more by magnesium. The carrier molecule is important. A patient would want to try several of them. Citrate might work but maybe not. Malate is a good choice. The point is to try magnesium with different carrier molecules because they can have profoundly different responses.

While these herbs and sups help with the umbrella approach to breaking resistant depression's hold on the body, the umbrella herbs themselves, the common Lyme herbs, bring the deep healing that should keep relapses far away. So it's a two pronged approach - the first part is what we all do here - try to improve mood - the second part is to treat as many causes of depression as we can, blindly, with an umbrella approach that covers most of the bad guys - toxicity, inflammation, pathogen.

> Hi Linkadge.
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Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable bleauberry

Posted by linkadge on August 23, 2017, at 7:46:40

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 6:08:00

>we cover the bases of inflammation, toxicity, and >microbes, then we will likely nail it

That's where I disagree. I think that the causes you mentioned are certainly one possibility. However, depression (IMHO) is a very heterogeneous disorder with (likely) a plethora of causes.

- infections
- toxicities
- nutritional deficiencies
- childhood & life events (epigenetic changes)
- brain structure (from nature and nurture)
- hormonal imbalances (genes and environment)
- genetics (kazillion possibilities)

For a crude example, we know individuals with the Huntington's gene will get Huntington's disease (and all the possible associated psychiatric manifestations). While toxicities and infections could certainly compound the problem, no amount of detox will solve the underlying problem.

Linkadge

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 7:54:43

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable bleauberry, posted by SLS on August 22, 2017, at 18:27:06

Hi Scott,

Thank you for the time and effort you invest into patients' lives here at this board. Over the years there have been hundreds of people helped by things that you shared or said.

The diversity of experiences is a good thing, if you ask me. Without the diversity we don't learn anything new. Without diversity of thought, I would have never experienced the best combo I ever had - Prozac, Zyprexa, Modafinil - (pooped out after 3 years) and without diversity of thought I would probably be dead of suicide by now.

Diversity of thought is how 2 M.D.s told me with a straight face that 9 out of 10 of their psychiatric patients get better with antibiotics but not psych meds. When you fail every med on earth (didn't try Nardil) and you fail 12 bilateral ECT treatments, diversity of thought is a very welcome thing! :-)


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Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by linkadge on August 23, 2017, at 8:01:44

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 7:29:15

Folks, let's be clear.

Herbs are drugs!

For example, hypercin (in SJW) is no less a drug than sertraline!


Whether the herb is safer, or less safe must be considered on a case by case (and dose by dose) basis.

For examples... I got bad serotonin syndrome from SJW alone.

I like drugs (medications), when they work.

Linkadge


 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by linkadge on August 23, 2017, at 8:08:11

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 23, 2017, at 7:54:43

I personally don't think that doctors want to keep us sick.

For example, many doctors would prefer to not believe that a recreational drug (ketamine) could be useful for treatment resistant depression. However, because it is showing promise, doctors are looking into it. There is little / no money to be made here.

Depression is one of the costliest diseases to society in terms of both treatment, and its effect on worker productivity. If antibiotics cure 9/10 people with depression, then we're going to find out about it sooner or later.

There are trials of drugs like minocycline for depression. However, this drug has effects on inflammation as well as infection.

Another consideration is this. Probiotics are showing promise for depression treatment as well!

In other words, giving certain people an antibiotic (who don't have an infection) might actually kill off beneficial gut bacteria and make their condition worse. Just a thought.


Linkadge

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by bleauberry on August 24, 2017, at 7:14:14

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable bleauberry, posted by linkadge on August 23, 2017, at 7:46:40

Lamdage I'm just sharing my journey of success. Hopefully it helps somebody else with new hope, new ideas.

What I have said came from the doctors who healed me - not my own ideas. I think any doctor who can cure a 25 year chronic treatment resistant major depression bipolar patient, and they do that all day long every day with other people just like me and you, that kind of doctor is worth listening to very intently. Pretty much every patient they see is like you and me and Scott and Link and everyone else here. Same stuff. Same symptoms. Same complaints. Same drugs. Just different names.

I would not, on the other hand, listen very intently to any doctor who has been treating a patient for 10 years and not making major progress in all that time.

> >we cover the bases of inflammation, toxicity, and >microbes, then we will likely nail it
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Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by linkadge on August 24, 2017, at 9:40:00

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 24, 2017, at 7:14:14

I become very concerned when somebody tells me they have the cure for everybody (and that the cure is, more or less, the same for everybody).

My cousin spent 10 years suffering severe recurrent seizures while my aunt and uncle f*rt*d around with every 'alternative' treatment under the sun.

Finally (when he almost died falling off a ladder) they caved and put him on tegretol which worked instantaneously and has helped him ever since.

It's not all infection and toxicity. He's probably got some defective ion channel which you can't purge away with juice cleanses and garlic powder pills.

Linkadge

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by Lamdage22 on August 26, 2017, at 6:02:47

In reply to Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by linkadge on August 24, 2017, at 9:40:00

I will look into it. Thanks for sharing.

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by rjlockhart37 on September 5, 2017, at 23:50:21

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

supplements i took have helped with anxiety, and armodafnil helps from me going into a gloomy mood, feels like im partly dead... true depression it feels like your just existing, like when people go out and be iwth friends, or go to parties, or other things, they enjoy it and it pulls them out of a mood. True derepssion, you go around and nothing will pull out of it, like being in a gloomy lake with no water or waves, just feeling of nothingness. I think looking like there's hope, supernatural intervention that your not alone

 

Re: Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable

Posted by phidippus on October 7, 2017, at 16:46:29

In reply to Chronic Resistant Major Depression Is Curable, posted by bleauberry on August 22, 2017, at 8:21:39

Personally, I think you're remission just happened.

Eric


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