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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 5:59:22
In reply to Lou's reply-cast stones » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 10, 2015, at 19:00:20
> > Mr. Pilder.
> >
> > > It is a shame that Mr. Hsiung is allowing you to post...
> >
> > You know very well that your posting behaviors lie outside the boundaries of civil conduct as described in this website's FAQ.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> >
> > You also know that you would be banned from posting on other mental health websites. In fact, you have been banned from posting on Psycho-Babble for years at a time. Your strategies for appearing civil are an easily recognizable facade, but still cannot obscure your exaggerating and overgeneralizing.
> >
> > * Please show respect for Robert Hsiung, MD and his website - along with its participants.
> >
> > I believe the idea of pushing for a letter-writing campaign to Dr. Bob might make sense at this point. You have demonstrated that your incivility is intractable.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends, be not deceived. The slander against me lives after these posts. The good is interred in the archives. So let it be with Scott. The noble Scott has written that I am disrespectful to Mr. Hsiung and the members. I come to save lives here, not to bury them. I am following all the prohibitions and rules to me here by Mr. Hsiung as humanly possible, even though others are allowed to mock and taunt me and ridicule me here with impunity, having behind them the wind of antisemitic hate being allowed to foster more and more hatred toward me and other Jews, all being allowed by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record and all those in concert with them that decreases the respect of my message here that could IMHO result in readers killing themselves.
> Those winds of hate, so vibrantly visible here standing out today as fanning the flames of hatred toward the Jews and me as Jew here, a perpetual flame of hate until stopped by Mr. Hsiung, but he won't. He says that it in his thinking will be good for his community as a whole for antisemitism to be seen here as being supportive. I say not. For the hate being seen as supportive could be turned inward and others could be used as an outlet for murder and the hate could induce suicide. I do not want deaths to come from here from these drugs taken in combination and cause people to suffer a horrible death by them. If I was to turn a blind eye to hate being allowed to be seen as supportive here, those that kill themselves or are killed by the drugs or are victims assassinations in theaters, schools, shopping malls, churches ect by those that the drugs have addicted and the withdrawal is so horrific that death is preferred and they take others with them. The poster Scott accuses me of overgeneralizing. There are thousands of people killed by these drugs each and every month, that is not overgeneralizing, it is IMHO undergeneralizing.
> And to you that cast your stones at me here. If you pretend that you just don't see, pull up from the search box at the bottom of this page:
> [admin,428781 ]
> Lou
>
Friends,
Scott has accused me here of overgeneralizing and exaggerating as his basis for claiming that I am disrespectful to Mr. Hsiung and the members here. But is his accusation against me true? Or is it a transparent attempt to arouse hatred toward me? Or is it even something worse?
Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom. In fact, it is disrespectful to humanity itself to be allowed to be seen here as supportive by Mr. Hsiung where it is originally posted, for Mr. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence here and that statements standing by him are not against his rules.
Scott's accusations against me here are cruel and reflect Mr. Hsiung's and this membership's attitude toward Jews fostered by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record allowing Scott a platform to defame Jews while prohibiting me from posting my own repudiation to the slander of the Jews as I need to do. The insult to Jews allowed to be seen here as civil by Mr. Hsiung, disrespects the membership IMHO, not that I object to Mr. Hsiung allowing anti-Semitic hate to be seen here as being supportive.
Scott's call for a campaign aginst me here which could arouse ill-will toward me here, which I think disrespects the membership and Mr. Hsiung. This is a tactic used in European Fascism that was put to death many years ago. To allow a resurrection of this type of hate in a mental health community disrespects the membership for it implies that the membership is so stupid that they could be swayed by Scott to go along with him to "push for a letter writing campaign" against me.
The letter's content is not specified by Scott.
Tell me Scott, what do you want to collect from members here that will be in your letter and who will it be sent to?
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 7:29:26
In reply to Lou's reply-cast stones-letter writing campaign, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 5:59:22
- Scott
Posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 7:38:12
In reply to Lou's reply-cast stones-letter writing campaign, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 5:59:22
Mr. Pilder.
> Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 7:57:40
In reply to Letter writing campaign. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 7:38:12
> Mr. Pilder.
>
> > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
>
> Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
>
> bob@dr-bob.org
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
Here is your post
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
Friends,
It is plainly visible by Scott's post that Jews are being disrespected here by him and Mr. Hsiung for allowing it to be seen as civil where it is originally posted. This could orchestrate what could be seen by a subset of Jews is really a pathology of hatred toward the Jews all condoned by a psychiatrist that uses the members to create and develop antisemitic hate here as he says that he does in his thing what will be good for his community as a whole. That is the argument used by European Fascists to justify genocide.
Lou
Posted by rockerchick46 on August 11, 2015, at 8:03:37
In reply to Lous reply-rvrineejyp » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 7:57:40
He did NOT say that!! Don't put words in other people's mouths
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 8:27:30
In reply to Read More Carefully)) Lou Pilder, posted by rockerchick46 on August 11, 2015, at 8:03:37
> He did NOT say that!! Don't put words in other people's mouths
rc,
You wrote that Scott did not say that. It is plainly visible that he did.
If you can not see the subject line by Scott that reads:
[Convert Lou PIlder]
and then;
[...save yourself first..Jewish people convert to Christianity ...]
Then are you wanting to mean that what he wrote was not what he wrote? He wrote what he wrote and it says what it says. It is what it is.
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 9:11:38
In reply to Lous reply-rvrineejyp » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 7:57:40
> > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
> > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.> Scott,
> You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> Here is your post
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.htmlGood work.
Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
I have NEVER said that:
> Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
> he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 10:07:12
In reply to My apologies for my use of sarcasm. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 9:11:38
> > > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
>
> > > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
>
> > Scott,
> > You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> > Here is your post
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
>
> Good work.
>
> Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
>
> I have NEVER said that:
>
> > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
>
> You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
>
> > he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
>
> I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
>
> Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
>
> bob@dr-bob.org
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott,
You wrote that you never said that. What you said is what you said. Let us look at it again:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
Now your subject line says that I should convert
In fact, the grammatical structure leaves no doubt to that. It is a plain directive to me from you that reads:
Convert>>Lou Pilder
As to what is to be converted to and as to what needs to be converted is then stated by you:
Jewish people convert to Christianity all the time and:[...save yourself first by doing so...]is plainly visible in your post to me here.
This means that others could think that you think that Jews are inferior people as being a Jew as not being saved and that Chrsitians are superior because they are saved people and that for a Jew to be saved they have to convert to Christianity.
This is nothing new, for it is the foundation of anti-Semitism and along with you posting that what I post here challenges the health of the community, which parallels the ancient antisemitic lie against the Jews called poisoning the well, is not sarcasm but defamation of he Jews. For to say that Jews have to convert to Christianity to be saved, insults Judaism itself and is disrespectful to their religion as claiming that Judaism is a faith that has no way for the Jews to be saved as being in Judaism because your statement to save yourself first, jumps to the conclusion that Judaism is a faith that can not save, an convert to Christianity which you say can save. The whole idea of not putting down another faith or putting down someone for having their faith, is to not post comparisons where one religion is superior to another religion. Judaism can save and Jews do not have to convert to Christianity to be saved contrary to what you tell me to do here. The ancient lie against the Jews that they are not saved and have to be converted to Christianity to be saved, is being perpetuated here by you and Mr. Hsiung in concert with each other by him allowing you to post anti-Semitic propaganda here with impunity. He even tries to justify what you wrote by using a false statement and failed. He later admits that your statement is uncivil, but refuses to post that where you originally posted it which allows readers to think that Mr. Hsiung is ratifying the hate which could further create and develop anti-Semitic thought here to be a perpetual flame of hate.
I can not stop both of you from being in concert here to defame the Jews and me a Jew here. If you could post something like the following, it could go a long way in helping you.
Readers be aware.
I have posted what could be taken as anti-Semitic propaganda here in telling Lou Pilder to convert to Christianity to be saved. And Mr. Hsiung has allowed it even though he knows it to be against his rules. This is a terrible thing to do.
"Scott"
Lou
Posted by 10derheart on August 11, 2015, at 14:16:10
In reply to Lou's reply-ancient hate » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 10:07:12
You know damn well that was sarcasm in Scott's 2013 post and you know damn well the context of that thread.
I only feel badly for the posters engaging you now in an attempt to reason with the chronically unreasonable. They are wasting their time and energy.
Do you ever do anything constructive IRL to fight for the rights of humans? Or does it all take place here in your mind?
Posted by herpills on August 11, 2015, at 14:56:05
In reply to Lou's reply-ancient hate » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 10:07:12
Posted by phidippus on August 11, 2015, at 18:21:59
In reply to Geodon add on?, posted by Sheilac on August 8, 2015, at 9:14:14
I don't think you failed the depakote-you were simply not on enough (500 mg) and I think you were having breakthrough manic symptoms.
Geodon can be activating for some people-remember it is a light SNRI.
Trileptal isn't really used for neuropathy, but if it helps with your mood, by all means take it.
What happens when you take 1200 mg of Trileptal?
Eric
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 18:49:31
In reply to My apologies for my use of sarcasm. » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on August 11, 2015, at 9:11:38
> > > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
>
> > > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
>
> > Scott,
> > You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> > Here is your post
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
>
> Good work.
>
> Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
>
> I have NEVER said that:
>
> > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
>
> You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
>
> > he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
>
> I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
>
> Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
>
> bob@dr-bob.org
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott,
What is the previous post that you refer to here that is regarding the Christian savior and saving?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 20:20:37
In reply to Lou's request-Scott's justification » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on August 11, 2015, at 18:49:31
> > > > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people as he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved. This is allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be posted here by Scott which is disrespectful to Judaism and Jews and all others that are not members of Christiandom.
> >
> > > > Please do not accuse me of these things. They are not true. I feel that your posts about me are an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others.
> >
> > > Scott,
> > > You wrote that it is not true that you posted here to me that I need o convert to Christianity to be saved.
> > > Here is your post
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1055904.html
> >
> > Good work.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the sarcasm in my words is lost without being read within the context of your previous posts regarding the Christian savior and saving. Nevertheless, sarcasm is considered to be uncivil on Psycho-Babble, and I apologize.
> >
> > I have NEVER said that:
> >
> > > Scott considers me as a Jew inferior to Christiandom people
> >
> > You take my words and overgeneralize them in order to portray them as being something they are not. You cannot read my mind. Therefore, you cannot know if I consider you or your religion to be inferior. Please retract that statement.
> >
> > > he claims that I am unsaved as a Jew and need to convert to Christianity to be saved.
> >
> > I made no such "claim", so please retract that statement.
> >
> > Please do not accuse me of considering Jews to be inferior to Christians. I feel that this is an attempt to put me down in the eyes of others - especially Jews.
> >
> > bob@dr-bob.org
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
> Scott,
> What is the previous post that you refer to here that is regarding the Christian savior and saving?
> Lou>Scott,
You want to justify that what you wrote was sarcasm. I would like for you to provide the URL with what you use here for your claim of sarcasm being lost. I know of no such post to justify your claim that you were being sarcastic.
The statement to me by you is a claim that converting from Judaism to Christianity leads to one being saved. This means that Jews are not saved as being a member of Judaism which dehumanizes Jews. And worse, the common understanding perpetrated by most historical christiandom is that Jews can not enter heaven because to be saved means in the historical teachings of Chrisiandom to be able to enter heaven and to not being saved means that Jews can not enter heaven and worse, that they suffer endless pain in flames for eternity as popular historical Christiandom taught. This dehumanization of Jews fostered the crusades, the Inqusition and the Holocaust. Their reasoning was that since Jews are not saved, but Christians are, the Jews then are inferior people to Christians and being unsaved allows them to be murdered because the murderers were murdering unsaved humans which to them were not human because they were not Christians and unsaved, not going to heaven, so their death is not counted as murder to them.
This type of thinking is carried out here by Mr. Hsiung allowing you to post to me to convert to Christianity to be saved for it is a claim by you for it is written by you as a conclusion to you that I am not saved. This is not sarcasm, but hate that can reach children to see that a psychiatrist allows ancient hatred against the Jews to be seen as being supportive here. Your claim that you conclude that I am not saved depicts me as a Jew as inferior to Christians that you claim are saved. This is what Mr. Hsiung means when he says not to post anything that could put one down for having their faith. You not only put me down but you put down all Jews with your statement here in question and I see no justification for it being justified on any grounds, even if you say that you were being sarcastic.
Lou
Lou
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
In reply to Geodon add on?, posted by Sheilac on August 8, 2015, at 9:14:14
Hi Sheilac.
How are you?
What have you and your doctor decided on?
It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that your thread was hijacked. Without active moderation, it might happen again. To get the most out of Psycho-Babble, it may be necessary for you to ignore posts from particular posters. It is not unusual that a forum like this should attract people who are disruptive - whether or not this is their intention.
It is NOT YOUR FAULT that a few people have used your thread as a battlefield. You did nothing wrong. Your post was perfect.
I apologize to you for the role I played in the altercation.
You might want to help convince Dr. Bob to moderate his website more closely so that threads do not get hijacked and civility be restored to the posting community. You can write him a short letter at the following email address:
I sincerely hope that you are feeling better. I know that you are trying very hard. Please keep us informed as to your progress.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2015, at 6:19:45
In reply to Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
> Hi Sheilac.
>
> How are you?
>
> What have you and your doctor decided on?
>
> It is EXTREMELY unfortunate that your thread was hijacked. Without active moderation, it might happen again. To get the most out of Psycho-Babble, it may be necessary for you to ignore posts from particular posters. It is not unusual that a forum like this should attract people who are disruptive - whether or not this is their intention.
>
> It is NOT YOUR FAULT that a few people have used your thread as a battlefield. You did nothing wrong. Your post was perfect.
>
> I apologize to you for the role I played in the altercation.
>
> You might want to help convince Dr. Bob to moderate his website more closely so that threads do not get hijacked and civility be restored to the posting community. You can write him a short letter at the following email address:
>
> bob@dr-bob.org
>
> I sincerely hope that you are feeling better. I know that you are trying very hard. Please keep us informed as to your progress.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote that this thread was hijacked and you advocate that some posters be ignored and that there are disruptive people here that use this thread as a battlefield and you advise the poster, Sheilac, to write a letter to Mr. Hsiung that civility needs to be restored.
I could be your subject person here which could induce hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me here and decrease the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held since your statements could arouse ill-will toward me and put me in a false light as a disruptive, person that hijacks threads. And worse, your statements could lead readers to shun me that could result in anti-Semitic violence being perpetrated against me and other Jews as your statement that could be thought to be directed at me, the person that is trying t purge the anti-Semitic statements from this site and to stop the promotion of anti-Semitic propaganda that could infect vulnerable readers with hatred toward the Jews here that see that what you have written here is being allowed by Mr. Hsiung to be seen as being supportive.
Your advocating to write letters to Mr. Hsiung could defame me even more as that could stigmatize me here as a disruptive person when all the time I am trying to stop you being in concert with Mr. Hsiung to defame the Jews here by him allowing you to defame me here. It will take someone greater than me to stop you and Mr. Hsiung attacking my character here that induces hatred into the souls of vulnerable readers that could lead to their death as the mind-altering drugs that you promote as "medicines" could take over the minds of our young people to assassinate in mass-murder in theaters, schools, churches, shopping malls ect.
You want to use this site to advocate that others write letters to Mr. Hsiung about me. This could allow hate to be sent to Mr. Hsiung behind my back. That is hitting below the belt.
And you readers that are persuaded by Scott here to hit me from behind, this defamation against me shall not pass, for children could be killed by mothers drugging their child in collaboration with a psychiatrist by the defamation against me being allowed by a psychiatrist here to be seen as being supportive which could cause those mothers to disregard of hearing from me that could have prevented the death of their child.
Lou
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:11:38
In reply to Re: Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by phidippus on August 11, 2015, at 18:21:59
When I got up to 600mg or even 300mg Trileptal I had severe joint paint, so bad that I could barely move.
I found Trileptal at 150mg to be a "better" Klonopin type med for me.
I definitely think the higher dose of Geodon was messing with my mood. I didn't have moodiness on 120mg of Geodon.
I'm going to stick with the 120mg and try Depakote again. If I feel irritable I've always got Klonopin.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:26:16
In reply to Re: Geodon add on? » phidippus, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:11:38
> When I got up to 600mg or even 300mg Trileptal I had severe joint paint, so bad that I could barely move.
>
> I found Trileptal at 150mg to be a "better" Klonopin type med for me.
>
> I definitely think the higher dose of Geodon was messing with my mood. I didn't have moodiness on 120mg of Geodon.
>
> I'm going to stick with the 120mg and try Depakote again. If I feel irritable I've always got Klonopin.Depakote can be a powerful anti-manic medication. My manias - although rare - completely disappear very quickly. Depakote also has some anti-anxiety properties. For me, I need 1000-1500 mg/day to treat mania. However, my manias are severe, and represent an atypical presentation of bipolar I disorder.
You should be aware that some people - not all - experience some residual depression with Depakote. Hopefully, this will be offset by Geodon.
It is a good idea to have multiple blood tests for the first 6 months to screen for elevated liver enzymes. Thereafter, you can go twice a year.
If for some reason Lamictal is chosen for its antidepressant properties, you MUST use only 1/2 the usual dosage when it is combined with Depakote.
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
In reply to Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 5:29:45
Thanks Scott. Things got crazy on this thread, which is not what my intention were.
I clearly stated that I'm NOT taking Tramadol anymore.
The higher dose of Geofon (180mg) was too activating and made me irritable. So I'm back to 120mg.
I'm trying to find the right add-on. I can either do low doses 150mg at a time) 2-3 times a day of Trileptal or I can try to dose the Depakote Sprinkles a few times a day with Klonopin.
I tried 500mg Depakote ER and it made me hyper crazy. After a few days of that I couldn't take it. For some reason the sprinkles hit me better.
High doses of Trileptal cause incredibly painful joint pain and swelling, so much so it's hard to walk. So a high dose of Trileptal, which I love, is out of the question.
I was even thinking of trying Topamax. Years ago it was great for me, but caused cystitis, which was painful.
So, for now, I'm really trying the Depakote. I just hate the liver implications, as I enjoy a glass of wine occasionally.
I just don't understand why meds like Depakote and Lamictal make me manicky.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:32:28
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
> I just don't understand why meds like Depakote and Lamictal make me manicky.
Neither do I.
Have you ever tried a stimulant? I know it sounds weird, but amphetamine can have a calming and anti-manic effect for some people. Perhaps you are prone to having paradoxical drug reactions.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:42:32
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 7:32:28
Yes, I take Adderall and I find it helps me stay alert, helps with depression and doesn't cause mania like caffeine does.
I'm still going to give Depakote one more try.
I think my doc said Trileptal can reduce Geodon in the blood, so she might not let me try Trileptal.
I'm also having problems sleeping so I take a high dose (10mg) of Melatonin and 50mg of Atarax an antihistamine. I think the Atarax is causing morning grogginess. But I'm desperate for sleep and Depakote keeps me awake and Geodon does nothing for my sleep.
Posted by phidippus on August 12, 2015, at 13:12:35
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 7:27:33
Have you tried Tegretol?
How do you react to 1000 mg of Depakote?
describe the mania you get on lamictal and depakote.
Eric
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 13:54:49
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by phidippus on August 12, 2015, at 13:12:35
Tegretol caused too many side effects and interactions with other meds. I love Trileptal, except for the severe joint pain and painful swelling.
Last year I started using a low dose of 250mg Depakote Sprinkles for depression. It added a boost to my mood. Then, after 2 surgeries this year I stopped taking it.
I am under a great deal of stress (mother dying of cancer), we've moved once this year and will probably move again (which means I am doing all the packing & moving) and I've had 2 surgeries, etc. the list of major stressors goes on.
It's very important for me to get good sleep, and the only way to achieve that is through taking melatonin & Atarax is a must to knock me out.
I've never gone beyond 500mg of Depakote. At 500mg it makes me hyper and full of energy. I actually got so revved up on Depakote I removed all the wallpaper in 3 bathrooms of my house and I couldn't stop. I was sweating with energy.
Because I sometimes like a martini or a glass of wine, I've been afraid to go beyond the 500mg of Depakote.
For some reason I reacted poorly on the Depakote ER, but I do very well on the Sprinkles. Doesn't make sense, but they seem like 2 different meds.
I hate the thought of blood tests and possibly frying my liver.
But I feel like I've run out if options.
Right now, I'm taking 375mg Depakote Sprinkles in the morning with either a Xanax or Klonopin and I'm trying to take Depakote in the afternoon as well, but I'm afraid. I think at the very least I need another 375mg in the afternoon.
My doc wanted to push the Geodon, but it made me too irritable. My sweet spot with Geodon is 120mg and works fantastic. But my life is spinning out if control and I need sleep and more stabilization.
I guess I shouldn't be afraid to up the Depakote to at least 750mg a day. I might lose some hair, but maybe the higher dose won't make me hyper. Or maybe I just take it with a Klonopin. Maybe after a week of a constant dose my blood with have a steady stream of Depakote and all will be better.
I wish Trileptal worked. I loved that med.
Thanks for your concern and listening to me. I know I shouldn't be afraid of Depakote, but it's nice to get some opinions & encouragement here on the board.
Posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 15:16:11
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » phidippus, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 13:54:49
Maybe Aptiom (eslicarbazine) would be better for you than Trileptal. It is a sister drug, but might be different enough to avoid the side effects that caused you to discontinue Trileptal.
Let Phidippus (Eric) go through all of the mood-stabilizing drugs with you. He likes Keppra, but I don't know if your specific symptoms indicate its use.
Don't take caffeine.
- Scott
Posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 17:00:10
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » Sheilac, posted by SLS on August 12, 2015, at 15:16:11
Pdoc just called and said Depakote should make me sleepy, which would be awesome. She said to stay on Geodon 120mg and as of tonight to take 1000mg Depakote ER with dinner, at least 3 hours before bed and it should help me sleep. In a week I'll get my blood work done.
Let's hope it helps the hypomania and I actually start getting some sleep.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 12, 2015, at 19:35:42
In reply to Re: Sheilac - Geodon add on? » SLS, posted by Sheilac on August 12, 2015, at 17:00:10
> Pdoc just called and said Depakote should make me sleepy, which would be awesome. She said to stay on Geodon 120mg and as of tonight to take 1000mg Depakote ER with dinner, at least 3 hours before bed and it should help me sleep. In a week I'll get my blood work done.
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> Let's hope it helps the hypomania and I actually start getting some sleep.Friends, mothers etal,
The poster here lists a combination of at least 4 drugs that she takes. The combination of the drugs could cause death. And if that does not happen, tardive dyskinesia could happen. And the thinking could be distorted so much that irrational behavior could result.
You may think that the advise that comes from here is all supportive for the owner states that support takes precedence. But is death supportive? Is tardive dyskinesia supportive? And be advised that these drugs change the body so that stopping them could put the drugee in a mind-altered state to be compelled to kill themselves as they can go into a horrific withdrawal where death is preferred.
The people here that advocate taking these drugs and advise others to do so, leave that part out. That could seriously mislead readers here to their deaths or getting of a life-ruining condition. And you mothers trying to make a more informed decision as to drug your child or not in collaboration with a psychiatrist. Ask your psychiatrist before you drug your child to read me here. The psychiatrist will get a whole lot more of info, and a lot less crock of (expletive).
Lou
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