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Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction

Posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 2:16:10

Do please take some time to read my long post if you happen to come across it, because Im in urgent need of advice and opinions to get me out of the painful abyss of psychotropic drug addiction

Everything was fine until two and a half years ago when my pdoc put me on Abilify to augment other antidepressants. It didnt do much, so we quickly gave up on it, and moved on with other med combos. However, the idea of Abilify kept on haunting me from behind, forcing me to restart it, add it to other med combos by self-medicating. Later on, this behavior of self-medicating got generalized to include all the psychotropic drugs. I may take 10 kinds of drugs in one day, gave them all up the next day, and try others instead. Most of the drugs I try are antipsychotics. Please tell me what to do!

My pdoc and I worked out an intensive OCD treatment plan. We tried every SSRI and clomipramine, max dose, enough time. But they are so useless! We want to augment them, but have no idea how.
One pdoc once pointed out that my symptoms are not OCD because its unlikely for all the conventional treatments not to work a bit if it is true OCD. He said that the psychotropic drugs are addictive by nature, and that Im addicted to them just like a guy becoming addicted to controlled drugs. What do you think?

Whats more, now Im on Nardil, but the idea of trying an SSRI never leaves my mind! Please help me!

 

Re: Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction

Posted by Zyprexa on March 29, 2015, at 14:31:16

In reply to Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 2:16:10

I was glad to be off of abilify. Never want to take it again. And have not in about 7 years. Same with geodon and risperdal. The only APs I would say I'm addicted to are the ones that work. Zyprexa and perphenazine. I've also tried many other psychotropics that I had no problem stoping, usually cold turky. Depakote, lamictal, remeron, celexa, prozac... Not low doses either. I just can't get off zyprexa. But I knew it was the one right from the begining. I responded right away and it totaly cured me. Perphenazine just seems to be a good addition. I was as high as 36 mg now 24mg. Every time I try to stop it I get realy iratable. And when off zyprexa I totaly lose my sanity. Can't function, get out of the house, psychotic, dulusional, etc.. and can't work. I used to be angry all the time before perphenazine, when I just took zyprexa, but I could function.

Anyways I don't know why you would be addicted to these meds. I've totaly stoped taking zyprexa for months at a time and not withdraws, I just go crazy again. till I go back on it. I've been taking it for 17 years now. My withdraw is relapse. nothing physical. Just can't eat or sleep. Which I could not do before taking zyprexa.

I took abilify 3 separate times. All of them were horable. my doc had me convinced that zyprexa was horrable, because I was fat. So I kept trying to give abilify a try, this is my both of my docs. I will admit there was something nice about it that made me want to take little peices till I was off it . but the drug was horrable, so much that I could not function and I wanted off it. Every time I stoped abilify I went into some type of withdraw. Where felt worse than when I was taking the abilify. that usualy went away after a long time, depending on how long I took the abilify.

 

Re: Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction

Posted by Zyprexa on March 29, 2015, at 14:44:22

In reply to Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 2:16:10

What drugs are you taking now, that you are supposed to take? Are they not working? If you are addicted to taking random drugs why stop after a day.

 

Lou's response-delivr Chinaboy

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2015, at 16:44:34

In reply to Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 2:16:10

> Do please take some time to read my long post if you happen to come across it, because Im in urgent need of advice and opinions to get me out of the painful abyss of psychotropic drug addiction
>
> Everything was fine until two and a half years ago when my pdoc put me on Abilify to augment other antidepressants. It didnt do much, so we quickly gave up on it, and moved on with other med combos. However, the idea of Abilify kept on haunting me from behind, forcing me to restart it, add it to other med combos by self-medicating. Later on, this behavior of self-medicating got generalized to include all the psychotropic drugs. I may take 10 kinds of drugs in one day, gave them all up the next day, and try others instead. Most of the drugs I try are antipsychotics. Please tell me what to do!
>
> My pdoc and I worked out an intensive OCD treatment plan. We tried every SSRI and clomipramine, max dose, enough time. But they are so useless! We want to augment them, but have no idea how.
> One pdoc once pointed out that my symptoms are not OCD because its unlikely for all the conventional treatments not to work a bit if it is true OCD. He said that the psychotropic drugs are addictive by nature, and that Im addicted to them just like a guy becoming addicted to controlled drugs. What do you think?
>
> Whats more, now Im on Nardil, but the idea of trying an SSRI never leaves my mind! Please help me!
> C_boy,
You wrote,[...in urgent need of advice..get me out of the painful abyss..tell me what to do...I am addicted to them...Please help me...].
Oy vey...
First, let no man deceive you. For many false doctors could arise here and deceive even intelligent readers. And you shall here of new drugs and rumors of drugs and these things will come here and pass, but the end is not yet. There could be dyskinesia and diabetes and weight gain and brain damage, and all these are the beginnings of sorrows. And many will be delivered up to affliction and kill themselves and commit mass-murder, but those that endure to the end can be saved. You can be delivered from the addiction and I have come here to tell you how. But there are prohibitions to me here from Mr. Hsiung that prevent me from doing that. But the good news is that you can overcome as others have overcome.
Lou

 

Re: Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction Chinaboy

Posted by baseball55 on March 29, 2015, at 19:26:22

In reply to Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 2:16:10

Addicted to APs? Well they aren't addictive in the sense that opiates or stimulants are addictive - cause an immediate feeling of well-being that users then try to reproduce or enhance by taking more and more of them. At least not for me or anyone I've ever known.

APs are also not known for causing physical dependency, where you can't stop without withdrawal symptoms.

Have you considered seeing a therapist? Maybe your fixation on these drugs is a kind of obsessive-compulsive behavior?

 

Lou's request-pkalzdok baseball55

Posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2015, at 20:19:16

In reply to Re: Help me with my psychotropic drug addiction Chinaboy, posted by baseball55 on March 29, 2015, at 19:26:22

> Addicted to APs? Well they aren't addictive in the sense that opiates or stimulants are addictive - cause an immediate feeling of well-being that users then try to reproduce or enhance by taking more and more of them. At least not for me or anyone I've ever known.
>
> APs are also not known for causing physical dependency, where you can't stop without withdrawal symptoms.
>
> Have you considered seeing a therapist? Maybe your fixation on these drugs is a kind of obsessive-compulsive behavior?

bb55,
You wrote the above.
I am unsure as to what you want readers to think. If you could post answers to the following, then I could respond accordingly.
True or false:
A. People that take AP drugs can stop abruptly and there will be no adverse consequences to them
B. People that take AP drugs can stop abruptly and not get electric shock like symptoms.
C. People that stop AP drugs abruptly do not get suicidal ideation.
D. People that stop AP drugs abruptly do not get homicidal urges.
E. People that stop AP drugs abruptly do not get a movement disorder.
F. People that stop AP drugs abruptly could experience severe nausea
G. I have a citation, Lou, that says that one can stop AP drugs and not experience withdrawal symptoms and here is the link.
Lou

 

Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok

Posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 23:33:43

In reply to Lou's request-pkalzdok baseball55, posted by Lou Pilder on March 29, 2015, at 20:19:16

With a very careful analysis of my mind, I found out that my addiction to psychotripic drugs arises from an inner desire to achieve controling over the difficulties.

I'm mainly fixed on drugs that give me an immediate uncomfortable feeling such as antipsychotics and mood stablezers. If I can withstand that awful feeling and even turn it into something positive, I would feel some control over the world and a sense of completeness. However, the result is repeated failure, so I need to do it over and over again. Besides, me thinking of some other antidepressant like SSRI while on Nardil comes from me wanting to beating the residual depression 100%.

I don't think this is purely OCD. I do need to see a therapist. However, there is a great, great lack of qualified therapists here, so all I can turn to is nothing but meds. Again, I want to know if there is any drug I can try to help me soothe this strong irrational desire?

With the above being said, I feel greatly relieved

 

Re: Hi Chinaboy

Posted by Phillipa on March 30, 2015, at 9:39:34

In reply to Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 23:33:43

Chinaboy it does like like more of an OCD behavioral issue. Maybe you can work in it yourself if no therapists in area. Just a thought. Phillipa

 

Re: Hi

Posted by Lamdage22 on March 30, 2015, at 13:46:37

In reply to Re: Hi Chinaboy, posted by Phillipa on March 30, 2015, at 9:39:34

Interesting would be if healthy people get the same withdrawal symptoms.

 

Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok Chinaboy

Posted by baseball55 on March 30, 2015, at 21:23:01

In reply to Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 23:33:43

However, the result is repeated failure, so I need to do it over and over again... Again, I want to know if there is any drug I can try to help me soothe this strong irrational desire?
>
This is real addictive thinking. Taking drugs to relieve these feelings fails again and again. Yet taking drugs to relieve the desire to take drugs is the only solution you can imagine.

Have you looked for a therapist - as in made appointments, interviewed people? If there are none near you, can you skype with someone? If not, can you use on-line support groups or read books to help manage your behaviors?

 

Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok

Posted by Lamdage22 on April 6, 2015, at 3:28:21

In reply to Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok Chinaboy, posted by baseball55 on March 30, 2015, at 21:23:01

I am addicted, too.

It seems i overkill it with APs when i get withdrawal symptoms.

 

Ocd, addiction

Posted by Horse on April 8, 2015, at 16:26:25

In reply to Re: Lou's request-pkalzdok, posted by Chinaboy on March 29, 2015, at 23:33:43

Chinaboy, what you describe sounds like my understanding of ocd rather than addiction. The behavior sounds compulsive...and maybe because your ocd has been treatment resistant, your anxiety has increased, creating more compulsive behavior/thinking. Idk...

Wishing you the best with therapy...will it be ocd targeted?

 

Re: Ocd, addiction Horse

Posted by phidippus on April 12, 2015, at 8:03:42

In reply to Ocd, addiction, posted by Horse on April 8, 2015, at 16:26:25

Its compulsive behavior. What fears are driving you to take these medications?

Eric

 

Re: Ocd, addiction

Posted by sam K on April 13, 2015, at 20:42:18

In reply to Ocd, addiction, posted by Horse on April 8, 2015, at 16:26:25

China boy.. I know exactly what you are talking about. I used to take so many medications in one day.. then quit the next. All of the psychiatry meds, ones that are not considered addictive at all. It was a mystery to me. My doctor knew it was addiction. Addiction and ocd are connected. They both require an obsession.
This addiction like any, will lead you to death or insanity. I began taking luvox which helped. But no medication is cure all. I have been going to AA for over 3 years and it has helped tremendously. You have to let go. You can't rely upon drugs as your source of contentment. We have to find a higher power or god, and rely upon him or it. God will take care of you, and he will put the best medication and treatment in front of you. "you" simply cannot be your own doctor anymore. You've probably tried and tried with avail. I did, that's for sure. Let go and let god. Easy does it. Time takes time. Peace if you need someone to talk to about this I would be happy to talk to you via email or phone.

 

Re: Ocd, addiction

Posted by chinaboy on May 14, 2015, at 3:42:05

In reply to Re: Ocd, addiction, posted by sam K on April 13, 2015, at 20:42:18

Thank you for replying my message. My email address is wangguanzhuang167@163.com.

Feel free to write to me.


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