Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1065724

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New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 17, 2014, at 9:52:38

Is avoiding new psychoses at all cost and thus stabilizing and preven post-psychotic depression.

I now believe that most of my depression i experienced was post-psychotic depression.

I will see that i can utterly avoid it from now on!

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by LouisianaSportsman on May 17, 2014, at 15:00:06

In reply to New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 17, 2014, at 9:52:38

> Is avoiding new psychoses at all cost and thus stabilizing and preven post-psychotic depression.
>
> I now believe that most of my depression i experienced was post-psychotic depression.
>
> I will see that i can utterly avoid it from now on!

Well, you have the Zyprexa to avoid it with as well as quetiapine 800mg. QD.

You should typically avoid psychoses, but I can understand how it might be one of those things that you can get into, especially if they provide interesting thoughts.

Relate this new idea to your PDOC.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by SLS on May 17, 2014, at 16:04:01

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by LouisianaSportsman on May 17, 2014, at 15:00:06

> > Is avoiding new psychoses at all cost and thus stabilizing and preven post-psychotic depression.
> >
> > I now believe that most of my depression i experienced was post-psychotic depression.
> >
> > I will see that i can utterly avoid it from now on!
>
> Well, you have the Zyprexa to avoid it with as well as quetiapine 800mg. QD.
>
> You should typically avoid psychoses, but I can understand how it might be one of those things that you can get into, especially if they provide interesting thoughts.
>
> Relate this new idea to your PDOC.


Perhaps you have schizoaffective disorder (bipolar type). I know it sounds simplistic, but it seems to me that if you can avoid the mania, you can avoid the psychosis. If you can avoid the psychosis, you can avoid the depression. Either way, antipsychotics should play a role in helping to stabilize you. An anticonvulsant (AED) mood stabilizer might be of additional benefit. I don't know about lithium. Lamictal can help with depression, but can actually trigger mania in susceptible individuals. If you are dissatisfied with your current treatment, you might have a look at Latuda, and possibly Saphris. Either of these two drugs can reduce mania, schizoid psychosis, and depression at the same time.

You are getting lots of different suggestions. This is a good thing. Lots of choices means lots of possibilities. I hope this gives you hope.


- Scott

 

Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22

Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2014, at 18:57:12

In reply to New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 17, 2014, at 9:52:38

Lamadge do you have a plan on how to avoid this. Through meds? What is your plan? Phillipa

 

Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22

Posted by phidippus on May 17, 2014, at 19:00:21

In reply to New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 17, 2014, at 9:52:38

How did you expect to take Stablon without a mood stabilizer and not become unstable?

There's no such thing as post-psychotic depression.

Eric

 

Re: New strategy against depression phidippus

Posted by SLS on May 17, 2014, at 21:10:59

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on May 17, 2014, at 19:00:21

> How did you expect to take Stablon without a mood stabilizer and not become unstable?
>
> There's no such thing as post-psychotic depression.
>
> Eric

www.bmj.sk/2006/10708-07.pdf


- Scott

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22, posted by phidippus on May 17, 2014, at 19:00:21

I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.

When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05

This forum could use an "edit" button!

I will present my Pdoc with that idea.

I took a mood-stabilizer: Seroquel!

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Christ_empowered on May 18, 2014, at 9:24:14

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11

I read somewhere that anticonvulsants+antipsychotics= prevention of "super sensitivity psychosis," the psychosis that follows long term use of antipsychotics. I have no idea if that's true or not, but in my situation, adding trileptal (1200) and now lamictal (50, working up to 100, maybe up to 200 later) has spared me increasing my antipsychotic, adding one in, or switching to another, stronger one.

Just a thought.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:10:16

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Christ_empowered on May 18, 2014, at 9:24:14

Well which one would that be? Lamictal makes me loose hair..

Yes meds are my first choice of treatment for psychosis.

Support second.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:15:15

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:10:16

Riluzole sounds cool.

But there are so many meds going through my liver and kidney right now!

Phew

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:20:48

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 11:15:15

Nah i wont be fooled into believing a pill could fix me again.
I have wasted enough of my life for that.

 

Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22

Posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 12:06:49

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05

> I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
>
> When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...

Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.


- Scott

 

Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22

Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:11:25

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:35:11

Seroquel is not a mood stabilizer.

Eric

 

Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22

Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:12:35

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 18, 2014, at 3:34:05

Increase your effexor then.

Eric

 

Re: New strategy against depression SLS

Posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:16:05

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression phidippus, posted by SLS on May 17, 2014, at 21:10:59

That's psychotic depression, not post-psychotic depression.

Eric

 

Re: New strategy against depression phidippus

Posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 21:17:21

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression SLS, posted by phidippus on May 18, 2014, at 18:16:05

> > > There's no such thing as post-psychotic depression.
> > >
> > > Eric

> > www.bmj.sk/2006/10708-07.pdf

> That's psychotic depression, not post-psychotic depression.
>
> Eric

I'm confused. What article were you looking at?

"Post-psychotic depression (PPD) is defined as the development of depression during the phase of remission of schizophrenia."

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02191572

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11519384

http://psychcentral.com/lib/post-schizophrenic-depression/000148

I don't know if post-psychotic depression really exists or not, but, certainly, some researchers in psychiatry believe that it does.

"Conclusions The results provided support for the validity of two of the three course patterns of depression in schizophrenia, including PPD. Post-psychotic depression occurs de novo without concomitant change in positive or negative symptoms."

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/177/6/516.short


- Scott

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression Lamdage22, posted by SLS on May 18, 2014, at 12:06:49

> > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> >
> > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
>
> Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.

> - Scott

I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:46:06

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40

I can certainly say i will not try another antidepressant for a long time unless they say its specifically good for people with schizophrenia or it is an antipsychotic in the first place!

Im back to 25mg Zyprexa and 700 Seroquel because of Stablon!!

 

Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:46:06

In retrospect, the point were i became really "crazy" was when i tried Nardil.

Who knows how much it was me and how much it was ADs.

One thing is for certain: This isnt your typical onset of Schizophrenia.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:15:10

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:43:40

> > > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> > >
> > > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
> >
> > Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.
>
> > - Scott
>
> I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?
>

This is one of the reasons im staying in Germany. Basic needs and healthcare are covered. Living here doesnt have this "make it or break" flavor to it.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:21:03

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:15:10

> > > > I beg to differ there is such a thing as post psychotic depression.
> > > >
> > > > When you realize how crazy you where.. it sucks hope away...
> > >
> > > Yes. Many suicides occur in people with schizophrenia who are brought out of a psychotic state that had lasted for years for the reasons you describe. I can't imagine.
> >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I can imagine. But how can you be psychotic for several years? People that dont have access to medical care?
> >
>
> This is one of the reasons im staying in Germany. Basic needs and healthcare are covered. Living here doesnt have this "make it or break" flavor to it.

Even though i wouldnt be affected by it, i just dont like it very much. Jeez babble really lacks an "edit" option.

 

Re: New strategy against depression

Posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:39:25

In reply to Re: New strategy against depression, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 7:21:03

Its not like all these people you see on the streets are there because of their own wrongdoing.

We have homeless people here, too.
But thats because they have chosen it.

 

Re: Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness

Posted by SLS on May 19, 2014, at 13:16:35

In reply to Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55

If you have schizoaffective disorder, the Nardil may have triggered a mania which then led to psychosis. Just a guess.


- Scott

 

Re: Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness Lamdage22

Posted by phidippus on May 19, 2014, at 14:24:17

In reply to Dubious onset of schizophrenic illness, posted by Lamdage22 on May 19, 2014, at 6:49:55

Sounds like you're schizoaffective, hence my pleas that you get on a mood stabilizer.

Carbamazapine
Depakote
Trileptal
Lamictal
Lithium

One you're on a mood stabilizer you can take on an AD.

Eric


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