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Re: MAOI Diet: ginseng and fresh soy beans

Posted by zana on April 9, 2007, at 18:25:14

In reply to Re: MAOI Diet: ginseng and fresh soy beans, posted by jkshrews on April 9, 2007, at 16:32:43

ps.
Thanx for the tip on Rozerem. It sounds like a good drug, maybe a better choice than the seroquel. I am taking soo many things and my pdoc is a real stickler for one change at a time but I'd like to give this one a try. I am not wide about the new atypical antipsychotics. Maybe it's just that I'd rather not be in that class of meds. I'm also taking abilify and would like to discontnue that. Am going to have to wait until I've finished getting used to the Emsam I think.
Thanx again.
Zana.
Where did you get the infor on the metabolites? No wonder it's stimulating!

 

Sleep Issues--EMSAM, Abilify, Seroquel, Rozerem

Posted by jkshrews on April 10, 2007, at 7:28:22

In reply to Re: MAOI Diet: ginseng and fresh soy beans, posted by zana on April 9, 2007, at 18:25:14

Zana,

If you have bipolar disorder, it might be really important to stick with the Abilify or the Seroquel. (But I can't figure out why you are taking them both.) Both are effective anti-manics, and Seroquel is now approved to treat bipolar depression. For a person with BD, this would be a primary treatment, and EMSAM would be only an adjunct. If you have high irritability (which is really just dysphoric hypomania) I think the Seroquel or Abilify is right on target. I don't know how well it works for euphoric types. If you are thinking of it as a sleep med, that is just a side-effect. (You could just as well take Benedryl for the same side-effect.)

These agents should not be called "atypical antipsychotics," which is why I call them "antimanics" when used in the context of BD. Better yet would be to call them by some common feature of chemical structure, as is the case with benzodiazepines, tricyclics, etc., rather than by disease conditions they are currently used to treat.

Info on the breakdown process of any drug can be found in the package insert in a section on clinical pharmacology. It assumes you know the related biochemistry. What the insert won't usually tell you is little facts such as Parnate is different from D-amphetamine by only a single chemical bond and, in addition to being an MAOI, it is active at the same receptor site as D-amphetamine.

People with BD frequently have a very fragile circadian rhythm that is easily upset by exposure to artificial lighting after sunset. In fact, the manic-depressive aspect of the disorder, i.e., mood cycling, might be caused largely by artificial lighting. Some experiments have shown that if a person with BD is placed in an environment with a purely natural day-night lighting cycle, the mood cycling aspect of the disorder trails off and goes away in about 6 months. Rozerem (rameltheon) simulates a total black-out by activating the melatonin receptors in the brain. I say it cancels the "Thomas Edison effect." So it is conceivable that it might be an effective remedy for mood cycling if taken very regularly over the long course of time. It is still important to turn off unnecessary lights in the evening, maybe wear sunglasses if you watch TV, etc. (Or don't watch TV, read email, etc., after 7 PM) A very helpful book about sleep hygiene is "The Promise of Sleep."

Rozerem does not make you go to sleep. It just makes it possible to sleep after a week or two of regular use, if you have a disturbed circadian rhythm. Although it might genuinely help you if you need it, it is not sedating and will not directly counteract the amphetamine effect of EMSAM or Parnate. It will just shut off the lights.

There is another melatonin-oriented drug called Valdoxan (agomelatine), but I don't know if it is out yet or how they intend to use it.

jkshrews

> ps.
> Thanx for the tip on Rozerem. It sounds like a good drug, maybe a better choice than the seroquel. I am taking soo many things and my pdoc is a real stickler for one change at a time but I'd like to give this one a try. I am not wide about the new atypical antipsychotics. Maybe it's just that I'd rather not be in that class of meds. I'm also taking abilify and would like to discontnue that. Am going to have to wait until I've finished getting used to the Emsam I think.
> Thanx again.
> Zana.
> Where did you get the infor on the metabolites? No wonder it's stimulating!

 

Re: Sleep Issues--EMSAM, Abilify, Seroquel, Rozerem jkshrews

Posted by zana on April 10, 2007, at 9:20:18

In reply to Sleep Issues--EMSAM, Abilify, Seroquel, Rozerem, posted by jkshrews on April 10, 2007, at 7:28:22

I was put on both abilify and seroquel as antidepressant augementation. I found the abilify (2mg) gave me a lift, ( I get vegetative symptoms,) but also made me hypoglycemic and pooped out after a month or so. I am still on it just because my pdoc is so careful about changing only one thing at a time. I don't know if the seroquel had any therapeutic effect but it knocks me out and helped me regulate my sleep cycle.
I would like to get off the abilify simply because I suspect it is making no contribution and the ensam seems to be doing a good job so far. This is about 10weeks in.
I too read the product insert but I don't read the chemistry careful. I skim for the half life and elimination data.
I think you make a really good point about the classification of meds. Abilify is actually listed as a tranquillizer in the online search engine I use.
Zana

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by AZLIZZY on August 6, 2008, at 3:30:04

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by Kneeko on January 14, 2006, at 3:09:34

> K, just started the MAOI Nardil and must have your valued feedback on this.
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> Is it ok to eat foods containing Soybean oil or Partially hydronated Soybean oil? Fast food is good every once awhile, not everyday of course. Most of it contains one of these ingredients: Soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, or processed American cheese(ex:french fries, burger, Big Mac and so forth). What is your opinion of them?
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> The list is right here: http://www.dietriot.com/fff/mcd/mcd.html#SANDWICH
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> If Nardil helps, giving these up will be no problem, but just wondering what Fast Food is Go and what isn't from the Major Chains. Obviously straight soy products and many cheeses are out. One additional question is whether Whey protein is ok! Thank you for your valuable input

Can someone please answer the above question regarding eating soybean oil while taking Nardil. I am planning on starting Nardil in a few days and have found that most of the foods I eat have soybean oil listed in the ingredients. Do you find the diet too restrictive to warrant the medications? Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by jkshrews on August 6, 2008, at 8:13:14

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by AZLIZZY on August 6, 2008, at 3:30:04

You have probably read that soy sauce is a problem. That is because it is aged and thus contains a good deal of tyramine. It is nothing inherent in soy beans. Soy bean oil is not a problem.

> > K, just started the MAOI Nardil and must have your valued feedback on this.
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> > Is it ok to eat foods containing Soybean oil or Partially hydronated Soybean oil? Fast food is good every once awhile, not everyday of course. Most of it contains one of these ingredients: Soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, or processed American cheese(ex:french fries, burger, Big Mac and so forth). What is your opinion of them?
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> > The list is right here: http://www.dietriot.com/fff/mcd/mcd.html#SANDWICH
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> > If Nardil helps, giving these up will be no problem, but just wondering what Fast Food is Go and what isn't from the Major Chains. Obviously straight soy products and many cheeses are out. One additional question is whether Whey protein is ok! Thank you for your valuable input
>
> Can someone please answer the above question regarding eating soybean oil while taking Nardil. I am planning on starting Nardil in a few days and have found that most of the foods I eat have soybean oil listed in the ingredients. Do you find the diet too restrictive to warrant the medications? Thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: MAOI diet + whey protein

Posted by mickapoo on August 6, 2008, at 9:25:09

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by AZLIZZY on August 6, 2008, at 3:30:04

> > K, just started the MAOI Nardil and must have your valued feedback on this.
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> >
> > Is it ok to eat foods containing Soybean oil or Partially hydronated Soybean oil? Fast food is good every once awhile, not everyday of course. Most of it contains one of these ingredients: Soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, or processed American cheese(ex:french fries, burger, Big Mac and so forth). What is your opinion of them?
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> > The list is right here: http://www.dietriot.com/fff/mcd/mcd.html#SANDWICH
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>> One additional question is whether Whey protein is ok! Thank you for your valuable input
>

Whether the diet is too restrictive to warrant taking the medication is a personal choice- personally I would live on fresh veggies, fresh fruit, and lean meats alone if I had to just to get out & stay out of a dark hole. It just depends on how much your condition is affecting your life, and how much you are willing to sacrifice to change it.

Regarding the whey protein- I did read that "protein supplements" are a no-no, but I asked my pharmacist and she said they were ok, but seeing as they have often time been proven wrong, I decided to start with a little bit and work my "whey" up (lol). I started with quarter scoop, then half scoop, now have realized I can have my protein shakes with no ill effects.

 

Re: MAOI diet + soy products

Posted by mickapoo on August 6, 2008, at 9:28:26

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by jkshrews on August 6, 2008, at 8:13:14

> You have probably read that soy sauce is a problem. That is because it is aged and thus contains a good deal of tyramine. It is nothing inherent in soy beans. Soy bean oil is not a problem.
>
> > > K, just started the MAOI Nardil and must have your valued feedback on this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it ok to eat foods containing Soybean oil or Partially hydronated Soybean oil? Fast food is good every once awhile, not everyday of course. Most of it contains one of these ingredients: Soybean oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, or processed American cheese(ex:french fries, burger, Big Mac and so forth). What is your opinion of them?
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> > >
> > > The list is right here: http://www.dietriot.com/fff/mcd/mcd.html#SANDWICH
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> > > Obviously straight soy products and many cheeses are out. One additional question is whether Whey protein is ok! Thank you for your valuable input
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I have found the same to be true- soy products are ok, it's soy sauce that is the problem.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by bobbiedobbs on August 7, 2008, at 1:10:16

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by AZLIZZY on August 6, 2008, at 3:30:04

I wouldn't worry at all about soybean oil in fast food products. I've taken MAOIs for over 20 years and eaten hundreds of times at fast food chains with nary an incident. You may wish to refer to any of the numerous studies of MAOs and soy and soy-based products.

Please don't stay away from MAOIs because of the circa 1970 dietary restrictions, many of which, unfortunately, are still in circulation. Some of these lists would have you avoid things like chocolate, raspberries, pizzas (including cheese/pepperoni ones) from major chains like Pizza Hut and Dominos, processed cheese slices, bottled or canned beer, and virtually all alcohol - the evidence nonewithstanding. You should avail yourself of the more recent (mid 90's) and beyond MAOI dietary lists from places like Univ Sunnybrook at Toronto.

That said, it is always better to err on the safe side re these medications, because of the potential consequences. Hopefully some of the other posters on this list can advise you accordingly. Good luck. While the side effects are to be reckoned with, if they can be tolerated this can be very helpful medication.

Phil

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 7:43:56

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by AZLIZZY on August 6, 2008, at 3:30:04

The only thing I have ever heard of someone have a food reaction to was chianti wine.

The really dangerous thing would be to take a cold or allergy pill (or alkaselter plus) that contained a decongestant. As I recall, 20 or so people died from hypertensive crisis while taking Parnate (the most dangerous MAOI), and I would bet that most of them died from taking a decongestant of some sort.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by blueboy on August 7, 2008, at 11:28:05

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 7:43:56

> The only thing I have ever heard of someone have a food reaction to was chianti wine.
>
> The really dangerous thing would be to take a cold or allergy pill (or alkaselter plus) that contained a decongestant. As I recall, 20 or so people died from hypertensive crisis while taking Parnate (the most dangerous MAOI), and I would bet that most of them died from taking a decongestant of some sort.

I'm pretty sure there have been Nardil deaths from Demerol.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by Justherself54 on August 7, 2008, at 12:04:59

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 7:43:56

> The only thing I have ever heard of someone have a food reaction to was chianti wine.
>
> The really dangerous thing would be to take a cold or allergy pill (or alkaselter plus) that contained a decongestant. As I recall, 20 or so people died from hypertensive crisis while taking Parnate (the most dangerous MAOI), and I would bet that most of them died from taking a decongestant of some sort.

Why is Parnate the most dangerous MAOI? I'm on it and hearing that 20 people have died from a hypertensive crisis is very frightening...

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 22:16:12

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by Justherself54 on August 7, 2008, at 12:04:59

> > The only thing I have ever heard of someone have a food reaction to was chianti wine.
> >
> > The really dangerous thing would be to take a cold or allergy pill (or alkaselter plus) that contained a decongestant. As I recall, 20 or so people died from hypertensive crisis while taking Parnate (the most dangerous MAOI), and I would bet that most of them died from taking a decongestant of some sort.
>
> Why is Parnate the most dangerous MAOI? I'm on it and hearing that 20 people have died from a hypertensive crisis is very frightening...
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Around 20 people, as I recall, at the time I researched this about two decades ago....

It seems the severity of hypertensive reactions of MAOIs increases with the chemical similarity to d-amphetamine. Of all the MAOIs, Parnate happens to be the most similar to d-amphetamine. If I recall correctly, it is different from d-amphetamine by a single chemical bond. That is why it is stimulating and appetite suppressing. In addition to being an MAOI, it is active at the amphetamine receptor.

But, this similarity to d-amphetamine may also mean that it is the strongest and most effective MAOI. (My speculation.)

I would not worry too much, but I would be very well informed about what not to eat and drink, and what meds to avoid.

http://www.gsk.ca/english/docs-pdf/parnate_pm_02242006.pdf

Also, you might carry an antidote with you. Get a small prescription of Thorazine (chlorpromazine) 25 mg. Buy the larger size steel pill fob at the drug store and carry some of the pills with you. If you get a sudden headache while at a restaurant after drinking that glass of red wine you should not have had, take 50 mg of the Thorazine before heading to the ER. By the time you get to the hospital and get help, you might already have absorbed enough to start getting better. (There is also some other drug that is now used as an MAOI hypertensive crisis antidote, but I don't know what it is.)

I also recommend getting a card for your wallet that says you are taking Parnate (tranylcypromine), an MAOI, and must not be administered sympathomimetic drugs of any kind. That way, if you end up at an ER in an unconcious state for some reason, they won't accidentally kill you.

It is also good to know the name of the correct ER drug for treating a hypertensive crisis (and maybe carry a list of the forbidden drugs) for the ER doctor. The treatment drug is called Rogitine (phentolamine) injectable. I have a friend who was on Parnate, went to a restaurant in a small town, drank red wine, and suddenly got a splitting headache. His wife took him straight to the little local hospital. Fortunately, this friend is himself an ER doctor, and knew what treatment he needed. They did not stock Rogitine at this place, so the small-town doctor on duty wanted to give him demerol, which would have killed him. (My friend was able to ride the episode out. He didn't know about the Thorazine avenue of treatment.)

 

Re: MAOI diet short list jkshrews

Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2008, at 12:36:46

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 22:16:12

I wear a medical alert bracelet and have been to the ER once with very high BP (no headache tho). I adhere strictly to the diet and don't experiment with any foods I feel may put me at risk, although I think chocolate has now been shown to be OK (thank goodness).

I'd rather err on the side of caution and forgo some foods than end up in a crisis situation because of experimentation.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by mickapoo on August 8, 2008, at 15:52:27

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list jkshrews, posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2008, at 12:36:46

> I wear a medical alert bracelet and have been to the ER once with very high BP (no headache tho). I adhere strictly to the diet and don't experiment with any foods I feel may put me at risk, although I think chocolate has now been shown to be OK (thank goodness).
>

Just curious, being new to Nardil... if you didn't have the headache, how did you know that your blood pressure was skyrocketing? Is there another symptom that initially tipped you off?

 

Re: MAOI diet short list mickapoo

Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2008, at 15:59:28

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by mickapoo on August 8, 2008, at 15:52:27

No..I have a home blood pressure monitor and just decided on a whim to take my BP before I went to bed...I dismissed the first reading, but the subsequent three were really high. I'm not sure what caused it...the only thing that differed from my normal routine was I ate out that night, but it was steak and fries, unless the heavy steak spice had something in it that didn't agree with the Parnate.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list Justherself54

Posted by Mickapoo on August 8, 2008, at 16:38:21

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list mickapoo, posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2008, at 15:59:28

> No..I have a home blood pressure monitor and just decided on a whim to take my BP before I went to bed...I dismissed the first reading, but the subsequent three were really high. I'm not sure what caused it...the only thing that differed from my normal routine was I ate out that night, but it was steak and fries, unless the heavy steak spice had something in it that didn't agree with the Parnate.

Once it got really high, did you have any physical symptoms? Or would you not have known about it had you not had a blood pressure monitor? Also, did you just take something for it, or did you also go to the hospital?

 

Re: MAOI diet short list Mickapoo

Posted by Justherself54 on August 8, 2008, at 17:13:33

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list Justherself54, posted by Mickapoo on August 8, 2008, at 16:38:21

I would not have know about it..but it was not a hypertensive crisis...my doctor is pretty sure that I have developed high blood pressure because before I started Parnate it was high. Parnate is keeping it at around the normal range right now. I'm still not sure if it was the meal eaten out or some breakthrough high blood pressure.

 

Re: MAOI diet short list

Posted by bobbiedobbs on August 9, 2008, at 12:15:34

In reply to Re: MAOI diet short list, posted by jkshrews on August 7, 2008, at 7:43:56

That happened to me also (reaction from decongestant) More important than soy to watch out for!

 

Re: MAOI diet + whey protein

Posted by daryl2926 on August 12, 2008, at 18:59:55

In reply to Re: MAOI diet + whey protein, posted by mickapoo on August 6, 2008, at 9:25:09

> Regarding the whey protein- I did read that "protein supplements" are a no-no, but I asked my pharmacist and she said they were ok, but seeing as they have often time been proven wrong, I decided to start with a little bit and work my "whey" up (lol). I started with quarter scoop, then half scoop, now have realized I can have my protein shakes with no ill effects.


Hey Mickapoo,

I have been wondering for ages whether Whey protein is ok to take while on Nardil. So you can take it fine then; that's great!
What brand do you use, and what dosage? Do you now take 2 scoops per serving? And is this just after workouts or other time of day as well?

I look forward to hearing your reply because I am really concerned about taking Whey protein while on Nardil, and I really want to take it to help my bodybuilding diet like I used to.

Thanks,
Daryl

 

Re: MAOI diet + whey protein daryl2926

Posted by Mickapoo on August 12, 2008, at 20:51:53

In reply to Re: MAOI diet + whey protein, posted by daryl2926 on August 12, 2008, at 18:59:55

> Hey Mickapoo,
>
> I have been wondering for ages whether Whey protein is ok to take while on Nardil. So you can take it fine then; that's great!
> What brand do you use, and what dosage? Do you now take 2 scoops per serving? And is this just after workouts or other time of day as well?
>
> I look forward to hearing your reply because I am really concerned about taking Whey protein while on Nardil, and I really want to take it to help my bodybuilding diet like I used to.
>
> Thanks,
> Daryl
>
>

Hi Daryl, thanks for your response & it's great to talk to someone else into fitness! I hope to compete in my first figure competition soon. That's if the Nardil works well enough, so I can get over my fear! Anyway, I use the Body Fortress brand and it's the "Advanced Whey Protein" so it also has BCAAs in it. I haven't had two scoops, but I'm probably a lot smaller than you so it might still be comparable. I take one scoop, 2-3 times a day so no, not always after a workout. I've also had CytoGainer (MRP) without any problem too.

On another note, I guess creatine is ok to take with an MAOI too, haven't heard or read anything to the contrary.

Hope this helps!

 

new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s

Posted by yah-yah on October 10, 2009, at 9:08:56

In reply to Re: MAOI`s and Chocolate, posted by Cecilia on August 19, 2001, at 3:13:30

I just started Parnate last week and had no idea how much was involved in terms of diet. The reality is at this point I am in no position to avoid MAOIs although with all the "do's and dont's" it crossed my mind several times. Long story short - on them about a week and have been reading whatever I can about diet restrictions. All these threads have been very helpful but I haven't found answers on a few of my everyday foods:

Big question about Parmesan Cheese; it would probably be one of the hardest to eliminate from my diet but I can't find a direct reference to it. I am assuming if any parm cheese would be ok it would be a domestic, pasterized version like "Digorno" but I have no idea. Any thoughts or experiences in that area?

Another food question I have is in reference to Mozzarella: I haven't really been able to figure out what the verdict is. I realize there is probably a diference between fresh and regular pasturized "found next to the american slices" mozzarella but would love to hear whatever anyone has to say.

also - what everyday breads do I need to avoid? I would also appreciate any info on other random foods, the ones that don't always show up on the "short lists'.

I really would appreciate any advice or help I can get as I move on to yet a "new and exciting special perk" that only we who are lucky enough to deal w/ severe depression get to experience.

Although my Dr. has been a good resource, I find the guidelines she gave me are still somewhat vague. I am still trying to get used to this whole new "lifestyle". I am ramping up my doses weekly and would love to have it somewhat figured out before my dosage goes up.

Thank you in advance for reading this and for offering any comments or advice you may offer.

sara

 

Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s

Posted by bobbiedobbs on October 10, 2009, at 21:09:09

In reply to new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s, posted by yah-yah on October 10, 2009, at 9:08:56

Sara:

I'll start with my own experience. Have been on and off MAOIs for some 30 years, have had parm, romano and mozzarella - fresh and non-fresh, countless times with not a blip of a reaction. My Nardil levels typically have been 30-45 mg, Parnate 10-30 mg.

Fresh (non-aged) cheese is definately NOT a problem. Parm is kind of an enigma; I'd have to go back and check the studies (see below) on that one. I think it falls in the category of sauerkraut - potentially troublesome but no documented reactions. There are theories why as to the sauerkaut.

Most of the so-called dietary restrictions are, to put in respectfully, old wives tales based on faulty science. I'd go by contemporary studies (read 1990's and later), which not only found negligible levels of tyramine in most of the forbidden foods but no validity to the literature on which the restrictions were based (in most cases). That said, AGED cheeses definitely are a no no - the problem is determining what is aged. Commercial pizzas with mozz and pepperoni and sausage have been vetted (as has all alcohol except beer directly from the tap and microbrew)

Among the foods which merit absolutely no concern are all other liquors (up to reasonable limits, e.g. four canned or bottled "commercial" beers, maybe two glasses of red or white wine daily) chocolate, bananas, yogurt, raspberries, etc. etc. Be particularly careful to avoid decongestants.

The only reactions I've had in my 30 years were from a decongestant and from anchovie paste.

I'd suggest you search through the various nardil/MAOI threads to find the more current studies. Most have been out of the Univ of Toronto. You can try searching on my user name, bobbiedobbs. If you can't find anything let me know and I can either send you something electronically or in print, or provide contacts.
The dietary restrictions unfortunately scare people who could really benefit from these medications.

Good luck to you! Phil

 

Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s

Posted by ColoradoSnowflake on October 12, 2009, at 13:10:46

In reply to new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s, posted by yah-yah on October 10, 2009, at 9:08:56

Hi Sara:
I've been on Parnate for 6 months. I take 70mg/day. Luckily, I haven't had any food or medication problems.

I think the reason everything you read about the MAOI Diet is so vague is because every person reacts so differently, plus it depends on how much you have eaten of an offending food etc etc.

I was extremely careful at first. I wrote down every single little tidbit of food I ate, or drank, or meds I took. I also bought a blood pressure cuff and took my BP before and after eating questionable foods. I did that for several weeks....a pain you know where, but it was very informative for me, personally.

I wanted very much to drink coffee with caffeine which is a no no. I started with one teaspoon, which raised my BP. I took a little more each day and within 6 weeks I could drink all the coffee I wanted. I haven't done that with anything else. Coffee is a big deal to me.

I have found that I eat much more simply. I used to eat a lot of frozen, prepared stuff which I don't any more. I stay away from almost all sauces and condiments.
I have found that MSG and potentially moldy things set me off the most. MSG is in everything. And I have to look for Hydrolyzed anything because that breaks down immediately into MSG. Also, the ingredient list can say "Natural Flavoring" and that can be MSG. MSG is in just about everything!!
Mold is in a lot of stuff, also. Peanut Butter! one of my favorite standby's usually has mold on the peanuts its made from. So I have to stay away from all peanut butter and peanuts. Other nuts vary. Some are worse than others so I don't eat very many nuts.
I also stay away from soy products except fresh soy like edamame, soy milk etc is ok. But tofu or kefir etc. isn't.
Mozarella is funny. If it's cheap, for pizza chains etc its ok. If its higher grade its more iffy, more likely to be aged.
Same with Parmesan...the cheaper the less likely to be aged. But I wouldn't do much of it.
You kind of have to feel it out for yourself.

There is so much you CAN eat, that for me, I just forget about the stuff I can't eat, leave it alone, and don't worry about it any more.
Dr. Bob has a list of foods to avoid right here on this site.
It gets really easy after awhile. Honest!

What I'm worried about now is getting sick. A cold or the flue. All the over-the-counter stuff I usually take is now off limits.

I'd love to know what bobbiedobbs and other "old hats" at this use for colds and flu and coughs and bronchitis????????? My flu and colds usually trigger asthma( broncho-dilator albuterol?) and then I get bronchitis or pneumonia. I try to be pro-active. How do you do that with all the cough and decongestant No No's??

It all seems really hard at first but it gets VERY easy. I'm sure it will with the over the counter stuff, too.

And it's so worth it!! Parnate has been the first AD that has really worked for me!! I love it.
So press on!!

If you have any questions I might answer, just ask!

Good luck,
Gayle

 

Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s

Posted by bobbiedobbs on October 12, 2009, at 21:55:28

In reply to Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s, posted by ColoradoSnowflake on October 12, 2009, at 13:10:46

When I get colds or allergies I take Claritin or Loratadine/Benadryl antihistamines. It is always important to make sure you are taking the antihistamine not the decongestant version of a same-named product.

 

Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s

Posted by Nutbug on June 9, 2013, at 12:26:29

In reply to Re: new to MAOIs lots of food ?'s, posted by bobbiedobbs on October 12, 2009, at 21:55:28

Is this thread active?
Want updates to NARDIL diet, if any.
Thanks!


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