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Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:04:58
alright i gotta say im a smoker, full flavor menthols about half or a but more a day....i just started realizing when I smoke often my mind is more intrested in my studies...clearer thought for a while...of course not clearer lungs lol. I read nicotine releases some dopamine, but it is nothing compared to caffiene or other stimulants, its not directly stimulating, but it does give some kind of antidepressantlike effect. I read it is somewhat of MAOI....
"Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae) that acts as a nicotinic acetylcholine agonist and a monoamine oxidase inhibitor[citation needed]"wikipedia...
but yea when I smoke often i feel a bit calmer at times...usally in the mornings is when it plays a stimulant effect, but like I said its not vary noticable. So im guessing if its often that increases the MAOI effect and that's why it acts as a rewarding substance, it still works with dopamine, and mainly acetylcholine. But I also read when its discontinued the stimulant, and MAOI effect leave causing bad withdrawl, psychologically because you feel like .. sh*t.
anyone else know any thing on nicotine?r
Posted by schleprock on November 15, 2012, at 19:29:44
In reply to nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:04:58
Do you remember feeling lightheaded when you first started smoking?
Posted by ChicagoKat on November 15, 2012, at 19:30:10
In reply to nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:04:58
I too am a smoker rj, half a pack a day.I can tell you what I've read. Most interestingly, 43% of people with severe depression smoke. So I suspect there are a lot of smokers here on PB, even if they don't mention it. I've also learned that smoking works on the pleasure centers of the brain (not quite sure of the mechanism of that) and that it does indeed act on Dopamine to give a transient but true sense of well being. Lastly, I have learned from many sources, and from both my pdoc and my therapist that it is dangerous to get a smoker to kick the habit while they are still depressed because it is guaranteed to make them even more depressed.
That's all I know, but I hope the info helped.
Kat
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:34:39
In reply to Re: nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by schleprock on November 15, 2012, at 19:29:44
actually yes! i rerember the first time I lit one...i was 17, it was ... something, I also notice if I don't smoke for along time, I do get a head rush, or lightheaded.
I like to smoke...i go into public and stand sylish and smoke LOL. When first started I did that...17 and made me feel like a adult.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:48:19
In reply to Re: nicotine - motivated to study? » rjlockhart37, posted by ChicagoKat on November 15, 2012, at 19:30:10
yea Kat....it works on the dopamine systems, similar to stimulants, but not as potent...its kinda gradual...like just slowly puffing a cigar kinda gives pleasure. Smoking either calms my nerves or is something to do when im bored, and depressed, i smoke ALOT more when im depressed. That reward feeling you get to light up is what turns it into a habit, of course the nicotine too...well we have common intrests...yea! haha
r
Posted by schleprock on November 15, 2012, at 20:16:37
In reply to nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:04:58
There's an alternative way of smoking that used to get me really lightheaded. I haven't tried it in 20 years, so I'm not sure if it will still work on me (and I don't like being lightheaded anymore.) You insert the very edge of the filter between your first two fingers (or was it your middle or ring finger?), make an-almost fist (so there's still a small hole between your thumb and forefinger) and then sort of suck the smoke from that hole. Can't say exactly why it worked, but it did.
Posted by jono_in_adelaide on November 15, 2012, at 20:33:10
In reply to Re: nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by schleprock on November 15, 2012, at 20:16:37
Try wearing a 24 hour nicotine patch - I remember reading that they are starting to use these for parkinsons patients with good results in some cases
Posted by Phil on November 15, 2012, at 20:40:45
In reply to Re: nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:34:39
Don't smoke, vape. Better and it doesn't kill you.
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Posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2012, at 21:09:37
In reply to Re: Vape, posted by Phil on November 15, 2012, at 20:40:45
What's it mean that you have always hated smoking but did it when used to drink beer but do neither now and don't miss them? Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 21:39:12
In reply to Re: Vape, posted by Phil on November 15, 2012, at 20:40:45
yea that looks really cool...its pretty big too...i do have 3 electronic ciggerettes and I stopped using them...the cartriges are ok...i have the highest stength 2.4mg nico.
Still I have to say a real ciggerette, the mentol smoke going down my windpipe even though it is horrindous for it, that's the reason I like smoking...that feeling going into the lung and blowing it out, kinda senseless...:) and of course the mild dopamine release. I smoke it fast for stimulation, for calming down and relaxing smoke it slow and smoothe.
what is a vape? it looks like a...i've seen those before but alot of my friends have them at parties, but it doesnt look like that its a hose that you breathe in, like some kinda indian insense....i can't descibe ill have to find a picture to show....
thanks phil...
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 21:41:55
In reply to Re: nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by schleprock on November 15, 2012, at 20:16:37
ohhh...i get it...there more smoke that goes into the fist than taking the filter....equlling higher smoke nicotine to the brain. Cool!
r
Posted by Phil on November 16, 2012, at 9:13:45
In reply to Re: Vape, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 21:39:12
http://www.hoosierecig.com/1st-generation-KGO-kit-1100mAh-by-SLB_p_10.html
That unit has two batteries each last 8-10 hours. You can buy a 5 pack of cartomizers(put the juice in)a 30 ml bottle of juice for $15(equals 2 cartons of cigs) You can buy tons of different menthol e juices from hundreds of vendors or make your own($3 for 30 ml)2.4 nicotine is what I vape, 24 mg per ml. You can go as high as 36 mg. Many people gradually lower their nicotine and just vape zero or quit.
These are not like the cig lookalikes which there's nothing wrong with. But these will rock your world with flavor and intensity.
I make my own juice to save money. We use food flavorings so you can make bacon, Ecto Plasma, Red Hots, tobacco, fruits, drinks it's endless the flavor possibilities.
I didn't want to quit when I happened across an ecig. After 40 years of 2 packs a day, I just stopped. I love vaping!
The picture is of a Provari with a vivi nova tank to hold the juice. I'm vaping Absinthe(black licorice) right now.
I can breath again and when I sneeze I don't feel like I've been hit in the chest with a sledgehammer.
I think there are vape stores where you live. Pop in and try it out. We're kind of a subculture, like mental illness, and we tend to be friendly, and sometimes overly enthusiastic.Sorry got carried away. :)
Posted by ikasug on November 20, 2012, at 12:52:57
In reply to nicotine - motivated to study?, posted by rjlockhart37 on November 15, 2012, at 19:04:58
Smoking is definitely a depression thing... it activates you and gives you motivation. For me, cigarette breaks are like punctuation for my day.
Interestingly but not suprisingly, I found that when I was taking Parnate I got a buzz from cigarettes -- the "i need to sit down" relief you get when you don't smoke for a day or two and then have a smoke.
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