Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 1023063

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Supplements

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 18:58:55

I'm a bit of a vitamin junkie - I have a feeling that they can help slow down or ward off some parts of the aging process. Every day, i take a high potence multivitamin, an antioxidant with e,c and betacarotene, selenium, calcium and magnesium.

I have just started taking ginseng to see if gave me any more energy, they are 648mg pills.... the bottle says one a day, thought I have rwad that dose can range upto 2000mg per day, so I might push it to two pills if one doesnt work.

What dietary supplemnts do you take?

I truly beleive that EVERYBODY should take a dayily generic multivitamin (the Walmart or Costco version of Centrum) - it costs about 5 cents a day, yet can do so much good

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 20:16:38

In reply to Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 18:58:55

Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:

folic acid, 800 mcg/day - I discovered that this supplement helps to a degree with the anxiety that seems to accompany my psychosis and cognitive impairment, so I take it daily.

coenzyme q10, 60 mg/day - Despite the fact that this supplement actually seemed to worsen my depressive symptoms when I took it prior to going on Abilify, it somehow seems to keep my depressive symptoms at a more even level from day to day now that I'm taking it with Abilify.

Korean ginseng, 535 mg/day - Each Korean ginseng capsule that I take daily is guaranteed to contain 26 mg of ginsenosides, which would account for 5 percent of the contents of each capsule. I find Korean ginseng to be mildly stimulating.

DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.

hydroxycobolamine vitamin B12, 25 mcg/day - I noticed a significant reduction in the severity of my depressive symptoms after I started this supplement, but the initial relief that I experienced on the supplement seems to have faded. I am uncertain as to whether or not I'm still benefiting from the hydroxycobolamine that I'm taking and may consider discontinuing it soon.

sublingual oxytocin, 3.33 IU/day - Today is my third day taking a sublingual form of oxytocin, so I may be experiencing some initial benefits that might fade, but so far, I've been noticing significant improvements in some of my depressive symptoms (especially my concentration) since I began this supplement. My energy, psychomotor speed, and enjoyment are all improved to a degree, and my hypersomnia seems to be a little less severe than usual since I began taking oxytocin. Time will tell how it will affect me in the long run.

That seems to cover it. I should also add that I've taken multivitamins in the past, mostly without problems, but that the last time I tried a Centrum I noticed a worsening in what I would describe as pseudohallucinations, which are basically really quiet auditory voice hallucinations. Maybe I would benefit from a more basic multivitamin, if there is one.

Tomatheus

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 20:25:37

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 20:16:38

Try the One a day mens or womens, depending on wether you're a man or a woman of course :)

Walmart make a cheap generic of both which is identical but half the price.

Iodine, selenium, zinc, folate, vitamin e, and iron for women are all marginal in the average western diet - a cheap one a day type vitamin can fill in these gaps.

 

Re: Supplements » jono_in_adelaide

Posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 20:48:42

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 20:25:37

Thanks, jono_in_adelaide, I think I'll try the generic Walmart version (the one for men, to be more precise :)).

Tomatheus

 

Re: Supplements » Tomatheus

Posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:10:50

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 20:16:38

> Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:
.
>
> DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.
>

all the mood studies that go head-to-head on DHA vs. EPA find that EPA is the only thing that works for mood, Your body naturally produces DPA, but not EPA. You're best off just trying a regular fish oil supplement with both for good measure, but it will have more EPA if it's like most, It'll say how much on the bottle.

DPA is simply not associated with mood-- it's good as a prenatal, and also is good for skin and nails, but the mixed fish oils that you find have enough DPA for skin and nails.

 

DHEA how long to work?

Posted by AlexCanada on August 11, 2012, at 22:17:45

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 20:16:38

DHA I assume you mean DHEA? I take 50mg tablets about 3 times a day for the past 4 days. Might be some improvement but I'm not sure since I have been dealing with other factors.

How long did DHEA take to start working for you? And specifically how did it actually make you feel? More interest/motivation/drive/pleasure? I deal with melancholic depression.


> Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:
>
> folic acid, 800 mcg/day - I discovered that this supplement helps to a degree with the anxiety that seems to accompany my psychosis and cognitive impairment, so I take it daily.
>
> coenzyme q10, 60 mg/day - Despite the fact that this supplement actually seemed to worsen my depressive symptoms when I took it prior to going on Abilify, it somehow seems to keep my depressive symptoms at a more even level from day to day now that I'm taking it with Abilify.
>
> Korean ginseng, 535 mg/day - Each Korean ginseng capsule that I take daily is guaranteed to contain 26 mg of ginsenosides, which would account for 5 percent of the contents of each capsule. I find Korean ginseng to be mildly stimulating.
>
> DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.
>
> hydroxycobolamine vitamin B12, 25 mcg/day - I noticed a significant reduction in the severity of my depressive symptoms after I started this supplement, but the initial relief that I experienced on the supplement seems to have faded. I am uncertain as to whether or not I'm still benefiting from the hydroxycobolamine that I'm taking and may consider discontinuing it soon.
>
> sublingual oxytocin, 3.33 IU/day - Today is my third day taking a sublingual form of oxytocin, so I may be experiencing some initial benefits that might fade, but so far, I've been noticing significant improvements in some of my depressive symptoms (especially my concentration) since I began this supplement. My energy, psychomotor speed, and enjoyment are all improved to a degree, and my hypersomnia seems to be a little less severe than usual since I began taking oxytocin. Time will tell how it will affect me in the long run.
>
> That seems to cover it. I should also add that I've taken multivitamins in the past, mostly without problems, but that the last time I tried a Centrum I noticed a worsening in what I would describe as pseudohallucinations, which are basically really quiet auditory voice hallucinations. Maybe I would benefit from a more basic multivitamin, if there is one.
>
> Tomatheus

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by Emily Elizabeth on August 11, 2012, at 22:24:52

In reply to Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 18:58:55

I'm not typically a vitamin girl, but one of my pdoc's discovered that I was low on vit D, so I have been taking that. Low D is associated with depression. Interestingly, I recently read an article that suggested that low D might be an effect of depression rather than a cause. Either way, I certainly want my levels to be back to normal!

Best,
EE

 

Re: Supplements » jono_in_adelaide

Posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:29:59

In reply to Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 18:58:55

Over the years, there's been long-term studies of multivitamins, and they all find multivitamins shorten lifespan, It's hypothesized people who take multivitamins may use their consumption of them as an excuse fo eat poorer diets than people who do not. It's also thought it may be possible there is a possibility for a build up of what might amount to effectively toxic doses of certain nutrients, High intake of Vitamin D, for instance, has recently been linked with death snd other risks.

It's important to point out, as my doc did, that when lab results of vitamin deficiencies come back, even those are simply deficiencies relative to the average healthy population-- it's possible that the average person has a somewhat excessive amount of a certain nutrient, and scientists have no way of knowing it. Some toxic levels of nutrients result in toxic symptoms, and some don't carry any symptoms,

Bottom line, though, at least with deficiencies, you're not shooting in the dark so much, and there's at least some basis for taking a supplement for it. But even then-- I mesn, at the hospital, I was put on Risperdal, and the Internal medicine doc at the psych hospital I was in found my lab results showed I had an iron deficiency. So they put me on iron.

Luckily, I didn't stay on iron after my hospital stay, because I can't afford it, because a year later, I read an obscure study mentioning how antipsychotics chelate iron in the brain, which means a toxic build up of iron is stored up in the brain, which can cause cancer and perhaps be neurotoxic,

Since I don't present any symptoms of iron deficiency (despite it being symptoms I can imagine a hypochondriac easily convincing he has) I have weighted the risk of cancer and brain cell death against treating zero symptoms for the sake of a vague sense my health is somewhat improved despite their being no symptoms, and have determined not taking iron is the wisest call.

So it's important to be cautious, These things carry risk. Be especially mindful and prudent about taking minerals. Zinc and magnesium are fine, but take the lowest dose or so. For magnesium, I wouldn't take more than 50mg. Too much zinc, and you'll get acid reflux (or is that magnesium? I get the two mixed up).



> I'm a bit of a vitamin junkie - I have a feeling that they can help slow down or ward off some parts of the aging process. Every day, i take a high potence multivitamin, an antioxidant with e,c and betacarotene, selenium, calcium and magnesium.
>
> I have just started taking ginseng to see if gave me any more energy, they are 648mg pills.... the bottle says one a day, thought I have rwad that dose can range upto 2000mg per day, so I might push it to two pills if one doesnt work.
>
> What dietary supplemnts do you take?
>
> I truly beleive that EVERYBODY should take a dayily generic multivitamin (the Walmart or Costco version of Centrum) - it costs about 5 cents a day, yet can do so much good

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:40:00

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 11, 2012, at 20:25:37

>Iodine, selenium, zinc, folate, vitamin e, and iron for women are all marginal in the average western diet - a cheap one a day type vitamin can fill in these gaps.
>

I think you're thinking of the Eastern diet relative to the Western diet, if that's even true, because the Western diet is known to have excessive amounts of iron from eating excessive amounts of red meat. Again, your lifespan will shorten if you take excessive amounts of certain minerals, and with certain minerals, the average American likely takes too much of.

Hypochondriacs all like to talk themselves into thinking they have anemia, but the reality is there's a huge difference between the low energy levels associated with depression and those associated with genuine lethargy. I do advise taking a high-potency sublingual B-12, however, since the body is capable of excreting excess doses of that. Short of menstration intervals, the body has no way of rapidly excreting iron, even if you're a woman (a month is a long time).

You mean well, but you're giving advice that is steering people towards taking things associated with early death, as in the case of multivitamins.

 

Re: DHEA how long to work? » AlexCanada

Posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:46:41

In reply to DHEA how long to work?, posted by AlexCanada on August 11, 2012, at 22:17:45

According to my Medscape iPad app, the clinical reference database says DHEA should be dosed once a day at doses not exceeding 50mg. Too much DHEA may be linked to prostate cancer,

Guys, you're dealing with some hardcore sh**. Look up each supplement in Medscape, ideally on its iPad app, and then use their interaction checker by plugging in supplements with what drugs you're taking, Don't exceed the maximum doses indicated, because there's reasons why these dose ranges exist. And I'm surprised you take DHEA 3x/day and don't get insomnia, If I take DHEA after 2 PM, I can't sleep for the whole night.


> DHA I assume you mean DHEA? I take 50mg tablets about 3 times a day for the past 4 days. Might be some improvement but I'm not sure since I have been dealing with other factors.
>
> How long did DHEA take to start working for you? And specifically how did it actually make you feel? More interest/motivation/drive/pleasure? I deal with melancholic depression.
>
>
> > Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:
> >
> > folic acid, 800 mcg/day - I discovered that this supplement helps to a degree with the anxiety that seems to accompany my psychosis and cognitive impairment, so I take it daily.
> >
> > coenzyme q10, 60 mg/day - Despite the fact that this supplement actually seemed to worsen my depressive symptoms when I took it prior to going on Abilify, it somehow seems to keep my depressive symptoms at a more even level from day to day now that I'm taking it with Abilify.
> >
> > Korean ginseng, 535 mg/day - Each Korean ginseng capsule that I take daily is guaranteed to contain 26 mg of ginsenosides, which would account for 5 percent of the contents of each capsule. I find Korean ginseng to be mildly stimulating.
> >
> > DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.
> >
> > hydroxycobolamine vitamin B12, 25 mcg/day - I noticed a significant reduction in the severity of my depressive symptoms after I started this supplement, but the initial relief that I experienced on the supplement seems to have faded. I am uncertain as to whether or not I'm still benefiting from the hydroxycobolamine that I'm taking and may consider discontinuing it soon.
> >
> > sublingual oxytocin, 3.33 IU/day - Today is my third day taking a sublingual form of oxytocin, so I may be experiencing some initial benefits that might fade, but so far, I've been noticing significant improvements in some of my depressive symptoms (especially my concentration) since I began this supplement. My energy, psychomotor speed, and enjoyment are all improved to a degree, and my hypersomnia seems to be a little less severe than usual since I began taking oxytocin. Time will tell how it will affect me in the long run.
> >
> > That seems to cover it. I should also add that I've taken multivitamins in the past, mostly without problems, but that the last time I tried a Centrum I noticed a worsening in what I would describe as pseudohallucinations, which are basically really quiet auditory voice hallucinations. Maybe I would benefit from a more basic multivitamin, if there is one.
> >
> > Tomatheus
>
>

 

Re: Supplements » novelagent

Posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 23:20:57

In reply to Re: Supplements » Tomatheus, posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:10:50

> all the mood studies that go head-to-head on DHA vs. EPA find that EPA is the only thing that works for mood, Your body naturally produces DPA, but not EPA. You're best off just trying a regular fish oil supplement with both for good measure, but it will have more EPA if it's like most, It'll say how much on the bottle.
>
> DPA is simply not associated with mood-- it's good as a prenatal, and also is good for skin and nails, but the mixed fish oils that you find have enough DPA for skin and nails.
>

Novelagent,

I actually respond better to DHA than I did to a high-EPA omega-3 supplement that I took several years ago. When I tried the supplement that was high in EPA, not only did I not notice a reduction in my depressive symptoms, but I also noticed a slight increase in my ideas of reference. So, DHA seems to be better than EPA for me. I know what the studies say, but what's more important is what my body tells me when I take the two omega-3 fatty acids (EPA and DHA).

Tomatheus

 

Re: DHEA how long to work? » AlexCanada

Posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 23:30:16

In reply to DHEA how long to work?, posted by AlexCanada on August 11, 2012, at 22:17:45

> DHA I assume you mean DHEA? I take 50mg tablets about 3 times a day for the past 4 days. Might be some improvement but I'm not sure since I have been dealing with other factors.
>
> How long did DHEA take to start working for you? And specifically how did it actually make you feel? More interest/motivation/drive/pleasure? I deal with melancholic depression.
>


AlexCanada,

I actually did mean DHA (docosahexaenoic acid, which is one of the omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil), and not DHEA. But I've taken DHEA. The first few times I tried the supplement, I noticed a definite reduction in my depressive symptoms (lack of energy, psychomotor retardation, hypersomnia, difficulty concentrating, and anhedonia) that lasted for approximately three days before the supplement seemed to lose its effectiveness. When I tried the supplement more recently, I noticed similar effects but also feelings of agitation that were more pronounced than usual. I think I took one 50-mg tablet daily when I tried DHEA. But for me the effects of the supplement were something that I felt right away, and they were most pronounced during my first few days on it.

Tomatheus

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2012, at 23:39:45

In reply to Re: DHEA how long to work? » AlexCanada, posted by Tomatheus on August 11, 2012, at 23:30:16

For years I've taken 2000 mg of sustained release Vita C. Vitamin Shoppe Womens MV without iron, Calcium/Magnesium with D, Magnesium Citrate 300mg at night for regulating bowels, B6 split twice a day 50mg each time, Nordic Naturals professional fish oil not daily maybe once a week. The best ever was years ago when took Shaklee. I felt great on them and totally trusted them. Phillipa

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by papillon2 on August 12, 2012, at 5:35:07

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2012, at 23:39:45

I take:

Vitamin D: a previous blood test revealed a deficiency. I have been retested and it's now back in the normal range with supplementation. Low levels of vitamin D can cause/worsen depression.

Calcium + minerals: I am at risk for osteoporosis due to a history of anorexia nervosa which resulted in low bone density.

High potency omega-3 capsules: each capsule contains EPA 351.7mg and DHA 248.3mg. I take 2-3 per day. Omega 3s are scientifically proven to be good for brain function, mood and a host of other things. My psychiatrist put me on this as it is backed up by the literature.

I used to take a B-complex vitamin (meant to help with anxiety/stress) but I don't think it was really doing anything except turning my urine stabler highlighter yellow. Too much information I know, but it means that I was taking in more than my body was using. My dietary intake of B vitamins is high anyway as evidenced in blood tests.

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 12, 2012, at 6:38:56

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by papillon2 on August 12, 2012, at 5:35:07

Given that in the west, levels of iron, zinc, selenium, folate, vitamin e, vitamin d, magnesium and calcium are marginal, I think a daily mulit costing say 5 cents is about the best 5 cents of your days food budget you could spend!

Here's a data point from a Professor of Surgery, Pediatrics and Medical Ethics. Whatever your biases are for/against doctors, this provides one of the most balanced viewpoints I've read so far on the subject of supplementary intake:

"There is very little doubt that if we eat the diet we were designed to eat and spend adequate time in the sun that we will get most if not all the nutrients we need. Thats the ideal, but not the reality for a lot of us. I was recently advised by a group of physicians who are experts in the area that it is reasonable, and probably preferable, for adults to take a low dose multivitamin, 1000 units of Vitamin D and 1000 mg of fish oil every day. Im certainly not an expert, so you may want to take the following with a grain of salt, but heres my take on this advice.

Multivitamins
Only 3-4% of Americans reach the Dietary Guidelines for Americans[1]. The American Dietetic Association[2] conclusions on the subject of multivitamins are basically a) its always preferable to get your vitamins from real food and b) given that it doesnt happen for most people, multi-vitamins can bridge this nutrient gap. (Marra MV, Boyar AP, J Am Det Assoc 109:2073, 2009) Dont fool yourself into thinking that taking a vitamin makes up for not eating right your best bet is still the marvelous combination of vitamins and minerals found in plant foods.

The NIH consensus statement from 2006[3] on the subject of multivitamin/mineral supplements (MVMs) states the present evidence is insufficient to recommend either for or against the use of MVMs by the American public to prevent chronic disease.

Where does it leave us? As Michael Pollan[4] sums it up, the best strategy is to Eat food, not too much, mostly plants. Its clear that its stupid to take high-dose multivitamins because of the potential side effects (unless you are treating a known deficit). On the other hand, a normal (low) dose multivitamin is probably reasonable to help bridge some nutrient gaps even though there are no conclusive data that say it will make a difference in preventing disease.

Vitamin D
If you google Vitamin D you get over 13 million hits. A PubMed search gives you over 49,000 references. Anyone in medicine (and everyone else as well) has learned by now that Vitamin D is a big deal. Its looking more and more like most of us are vitamin D deficient and that being deficient in Vitamin D is bad for you[5].

The bottom line on this one is that you need to talk to your own doctor (and, yes, you should have one!) about checking your Vitamin D level. 30ng/ml is minimum, but some physicians feel that levels should be kept over 50 or 60ng/ml to optimally decrease the risk of some cancers and other pathologies. 1000IU is probably going to be the new recommended daily dose in the United States. This one seems pretty straight forward: a) get your level checked and b) its ok to take 1000IU per day.

Fish oil
Fish oil is a concentrated source of omega 3 fatty acids[6] i.e. eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA), and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Most Western diets are heavy in omega-6 fatty acids, which decreases the ratio of omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid. Its this change in ratio that is thought to increase the inflammatory response. Supplementing your diet with omega-3 fatty acids changes the balance back to a more favorable (less inflammatory) ratio. There are good data that achieving this favorable balance in omega-3:omega-6 fatty acids can help prevent (and even treat) cardiovascular disease and may be beneficial in a variety of other inflammatory diseases as well.

So, it makes sense to work on changing this ratio by increasing your omega-3 fatty acid intake. You can do this by eating around 12 ounces of oily fish (sardines, mackeral, salmon) a week, which is the best option if its possible. For some people thats not realistic, so the supplement may be a reasonable alternative. There is one caveat fish oil supplements can be contaminated, so its worth knowing the company (and not just buying the cheapest brand). Other than the risk of contaminants, theres not much downside to taking fish oil in a reasonable amount. 1000 mg a day (on days you dont eat fish) is what is usually recommended.

 

Re: Supplements

Posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 12, 2012, at 19:34:13

In reply to Re: Supplements, posted by jono_in_adelaide on August 12, 2012, at 6:38:56

Oh, I also take fish oil!

So, my daily regimen is

Multivitamin/mineral

Antioxidant with e, c and betacarotene in moderate doseages

Selenium 200mcg

Vitamin D 1000 units

Fish Oil 1000mg x 3

Magnesium (citrate) 200mg

Calcium 600mg

Ginseng capsule (just started this one)

 

Re: DHEA how long to work? » novelagent

Posted by AlexCanada on August 13, 2012, at 20:44:54

In reply to Re: DHEA how long to work? » AlexCanada, posted by novelagent on August 11, 2012, at 22:46:41

Thanks I'll look into medscape. From my research though it is said that ''suppossedly'' 150mg of DHEA is what is recommended for depression.

Can you tell me how DHEA has effected you and how long it has taken? Some people say DHEA makes them feel better, others say worse. For me I'm not sure yet. And it hasn't given me any sleeping problems even if i take it near bed time.

I'm grasping at straws to deal with this 10 year melancholic depression.

> According to my Medscape iPad app, the clinical reference database says DHEA should be dosed once a day at doses not exceeding 50mg. Too much DHEA may be linked to prostate cancer,
>
> Guys, you're dealing with some hardcore sh**. Look up each supplement in Medscape, ideally on its iPad app, and then use their interaction checker by plugging in supplements with what drugs you're taking, Don't exceed the maximum doses indicated, because there's reasons why these dose ranges exist. And I'm surprised you take DHEA 3x/day and don't get insomnia, If I take DHEA after 2 PM, I can't sleep for the whole night.
>
>
> > DHA I assume you mean DHEA? I take 50mg tablets about 3 times a day for the past 4 days. Might be some improvement but I'm not sure since I have been dealing with other factors.
> >
> > How long did DHEA take to start working for you? And specifically how did it actually make you feel? More interest/motivation/drive/pleasure? I deal with melancholic depression.
> >
> >
> > > Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:
> > >
> > > folic acid, 800 mcg/day - I discovered that this supplement helps to a degree with the anxiety that seems to accompany my psychosis and cognitive impairment, so I take it daily.
> > >
> > > coenzyme q10, 60 mg/day - Despite the fact that this supplement actually seemed to worsen my depressive symptoms when I took it prior to going on Abilify, it somehow seems to keep my depressive symptoms at a more even level from day to day now that I'm taking it with Abilify.
> > >
> > > Korean ginseng, 535 mg/day - Each Korean ginseng capsule that I take daily is guaranteed to contain 26 mg of ginsenosides, which would account for 5 percent of the contents of each capsule. I find Korean ginseng to be mildly stimulating.
> > >
> > > DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.
> > >
> > > hydroxycobolamine vitamin B12, 25 mcg/day - I noticed a significant reduction in the severity of my depressive symptoms after I started this supplement, but the initial relief that I experienced on the supplement seems to have faded. I am uncertain as to whether or not I'm still benefiting from the hydroxycobolamine that I'm taking and may consider discontinuing it soon.
> > >
> > > sublingual oxytocin, 3.33 IU/day - Today is my third day taking a sublingual form of oxytocin, so I may be experiencing some initial benefits that might fade, but so far, I've been noticing significant improvements in some of my depressive symptoms (especially my concentration) since I began this supplement. My energy, psychomotor speed, and enjoyment are all improved to a degree, and my hypersomnia seems to be a little less severe than usual since I began taking oxytocin. Time will tell how it will affect me in the long run.
> > >
> > > That seems to cover it. I should also add that I've taken multivitamins in the past, mostly without problems, but that the last time I tried a Centrum I noticed a worsening in what I would describe as pseudohallucinations, which are basically really quiet auditory voice hallucinations. Maybe I would benefit from a more basic multivitamin, if there is one.
> > >
> > > Tomatheus
> >
> >
>
>

 

Re: DHEA how long to work? » AlexCanada

Posted by Novelagent on August 18, 2012, at 12:01:17

In reply to Re: DHEA how long to work? » novelagent, posted by AlexCanada on August 13, 2012, at 20:44:54

I don't have depression, so it didn't do anything for my mood. But I think Medscape says not to take more than 75mg for depression, and 50mg otherwise. It raised my luminosity.com score, which is what I took it for.

> Thanks I'll look into medscape. From my research though it is said that ''suppossedly'' 150mg of DHEA is what is recommended for depression.
>
> Can you tell me how DHEA has effected you and how long it has taken? Some people say DHEA makes them feel better, others say worse. For me I'm not sure yet. And it hasn't given me any sleeping problems even if i take it near bed time.
>
> I'm grasping at straws to deal with this 10 year melancholic depression.
>
> > According to my Medscape iPad app, the clinical reference database says DHEA should be dosed once a day at doses not exceeding 50mg. Too much DHEA may be linked to prostate cancer,
> >
> > Guys, you're dealing with some hardcore sh**. Look up each supplement in Medscape, ideally on its iPad app, and then use their interaction checker by plugging in supplements with what drugs you're taking, Don't exceed the maximum doses indicated, because there's reasons why these dose ranges exist. And I'm surprised you take DHEA 3x/day and don't get insomnia, If I take DHEA after 2 PM, I can't sleep for the whole night.
> >
> >
> > > DHA I assume you mean DHEA? I take 50mg tablets about 3 times a day for the past 4 days. Might be some improvement but I'm not sure since I have been dealing with other factors.
> > >
> > > How long did DHEA take to start working for you? And specifically how did it actually make you feel? More interest/motivation/drive/pleasure? I deal with melancholic depression.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here is a rundown of the supplements that I take:
> > > >
> > > > folic acid, 800 mcg/day - I discovered that this supplement helps to a degree with the anxiety that seems to accompany my psychosis and cognitive impairment, so I take it daily.
> > > >
> > > > coenzyme q10, 60 mg/day - Despite the fact that this supplement actually seemed to worsen my depressive symptoms when I took it prior to going on Abilify, it somehow seems to keep my depressive symptoms at a more even level from day to day now that I'm taking it with Abilify.
> > > >
> > > > Korean ginseng, 535 mg/day - Each Korean ginseng capsule that I take daily is guaranteed to contain 26 mg of ginsenosides, which would account for 5 percent of the contents of each capsule. I find Korean ginseng to be mildly stimulating.
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> > > > DHA, 100 mg/day - I find that taking DHA offers me mild antidepressant benefits. An attempt at discontinuing the supplement led to what seemed to be a worsening of depressive symptoms, so I continue to take it.
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> > > > hydroxycobolamine vitamin B12, 25 mcg/day - I noticed a significant reduction in the severity of my depressive symptoms after I started this supplement, but the initial relief that I experienced on the supplement seems to have faded. I am uncertain as to whether or not I'm still benefiting from the hydroxycobolamine that I'm taking and may consider discontinuing it soon.
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> > > > sublingual oxytocin, 3.33 IU/day - Today is my third day taking a sublingual form of oxytocin, so I may be experiencing some initial benefits that might fade, but so far, I've been noticing significant improvements in some of my depressive symptoms (especially my concentration) since I began this supplement. My energy, psychomotor speed, and enjoyment are all improved to a degree, and my hypersomnia seems to be a little less severe than usual since I began taking oxytocin. Time will tell how it will affect me in the long run.
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> > > > That seems to cover it. I should also add that I've taken multivitamins in the past, mostly without problems, but that the last time I tried a Centrum I noticed a worsening in what I would describe as pseudohallucinations, which are basically really quiet auditory voice hallucinations. Maybe I would benefit from a more basic multivitamin, if there is one.
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