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Posted by Novelagent on May 31, 2012, at 12:17:46
It gives vivid dreams, especially for the first few nights. Taking it itself doesn't cause sedation, so I take a gram in two divived doses, morning and night. It just makes it possible to go to sleep when I'm suppose to sleep. I combine it with melatonin, but melatonin alone wasn't working before taking it. I wake up refreshed-- i went to sleep last night at 12:30AM, and awoke at 6:30AM, and was refreshed and ready to go, like I was awake in the mornings when I was little. It must be the deepness of the sleep that makes it such efficient sleep. Very vivid dreams.
I used PureBulk.com, but I suppose any site works. Ask for a COA to look at how pure their lab tests were.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 1, 2012, at 2:35:56
In reply to Inositol success-- treats my insomnia, posted by Novelagent on May 31, 2012, at 12:17:46
Have you tried glycine for sleep? How does it compare?
Also, do you know if there'd be any interactions between glycine + benzo or inositol + benzo?
I'm taking 0.5mg of Clonazepam for Parnate-insomnia .. it helps with sleep onset and continuity, but the sleep quality is kinda crappy. I also take about 1gm of glycine, but it doesn't seem to do much.
Posted by novelagent on June 1, 2012, at 6:05:19
In reply to Re: Inositol success-- treats my insomnia » Novelagent, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 1, 2012, at 2:35:56
I haven't tried glycine, but it's something I'd like to try, since it's good for psychosis.
I doubt interactions exist. Klonopin always deepened my sleep. I would sometimes take it to force myself into a 3-hour nap after doing an all-nighter. Once, I saw a band right outside my dorm setting up to play (and I was on the first floor). Then I went to take a nap.
I woke up, and my roommate asked me how I napped amid a live band playing outside my window. Not immediately recalling them setting up,I asked him what band. By then, they had left. : )
> Have you tried glycine for sleep? How does it compare?
>
> Also, do you know if there'd be any interactions between glycine + benzo or inositol + benzo?
>
> I'm taking 0.5mg of Clonazepam for Parnate-insomnia .. it helps with sleep onset and continuity, but the sleep quality is kinda crappy. I also take about 1gm of glycine, but it doesn't seem to do much.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 1, 2012, at 9:16:43
In reply to Re: Inositol success-- treats my insomnia, posted by novelagent on June 1, 2012, at 6:05:19
> I haven't tried glycine, but it's something I'd like to try, since it's good for psychosis.
>
> I doubt interactions exist. Klonopin always deepened my sleep.What dose were you taking to sleep? I'm only using 0.5mg, which gets me to sleep about 90 minutes later, and leaves me mentally impaired in the meantime, which is annoying.
Also, did you ever try using it in the day? When I'm feeling overstimulated on Parnate, I'll break a 0.5mg into like 1/4's and take one -- it takes the edge off and I can still read etc., but I feel like it might be effecting my memory (like details from 1-2 pages ago become kinda hazy). Still, I'll remember the vitals of what I read the next day etc. so maybe it's just my OCD but I donno.
Posted by novelagent on June 1, 2012, at 10:03:19
In reply to Re: Inositol success-- treats my insomnia » novelagent, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 1, 2012, at 9:16:43
I'm not on Klonopin right now, but when I was, I was on 1mg 3x/day.
The cognition problems are most likely due to your blood levels being on s roller coaster. Benzos are like antipsychotics, in thst when you don't have a steady stste, you have a lot of cognition dampening. If you're really anxious, and you take it at the same time twice a day each day, after a few days, your blood levels reach a steady stste. It's still possible that it might make you just not care to want to read. It will still lower your IQ somewhat at a steady state, but if you're a really anxious person, you'll find in things like acting or public speaking that it really helps you shine and increases your net IQ by reducing IQ-reducing anxiety.
I have mixed feelings about klonopin, because after losing it behind my oven once, it likely led to my first episode of schizophreniform. But I'm planning to go back on it. I'm just too awkward without it. I would go with the lowest dose that works, and unless you're painfully shy, I really think it's best to take it as needed. You never know what will happen to your meds, and you can't count on your doc phoning in a refill on time when he takes a 4-day weekend, and admits to listening to your voicemail on his way out the office before the vacation...
If you do go on it daily, which it doesn't sound like you need, your dose will likely go from .5mg to 1mg. That's conmon, initial tolerance-- but it stays at that increased dose without going higher. You don't need .5mg if it's helping you sleep now. .5mg is like 1mg when you take it only as needed.
you might want to check out clobazam-- it is a benzo that doesn't cause sedation at all, and likely has less cognitive reduction as well. 500mg of Inositol twice daily will not sedate, but help you sleep when you're suppose to-- that's what I take. Combine it with some melatonin and a hypnosis mp3 and you're all set.
You don't want to waste klonopin on sleep, because you want to keep down the total amount of klonopin you need in the day to as little as possible. It helps ease the withdrawal as you taper down.
Although I did a 3 week taper of klonopin and had no withdrawal after 8 years of 3mg/day... If I had to do it over again, I would have hoarded a good month's supply, put it somewhere locked up and safe, just in case I ever needed it. Docs give you a hard time when you lose it, and they don't always return calls so fast... it can take days if you request it close to a weekend.
> > I haven't tried glycine, but it's something I'd like to try, since it's good for psychosis.
> >
> > I doubt interactions exist. Klonopin always deepened my sleep.
>
> What dose were you taking to sleep? I'm only using 0.5mg, which gets me to sleep about 90 minutes later, and leaves me mentally impaired in the meantime, which is annoying.
>
> Also, did you ever try using it in the day? When I'm feeling overstimulated on Parnate, I'll break a 0.5mg into like 1/4's and take one -- it takes the edge off and I can still read etc., but I feel like it might be effecting my memory (like details from 1-2 pages ago become kinda hazy). Still, I'll remember the vitals of what I read the next day etc. so maybe it's just my OCD but I donno.
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 2, 2012, at 8:17:53
In reply to Re: Inositol success-- treats my insomnia, posted by novelagent on June 1, 2012, at 10:03:19
Actually, I do need to take it everyday since it's impossible to sleep on Parnate at the moment otherwise. I can't use short-acting benzos because they produce rebound depression (including prominent suicidal ideation), and e.g. Seroquel gives me restless legs.
My problem is that I've just increased my Parnate dose and am getting a lot of sympathetic stimulation during the day, which is also messing up my cognition (my working memory becomes very weird and choppy with too much prefrontal stimulation).
So, in addition to the 0.5mg I take regularly at night, I was sometimes taking like 0.1mg or whatever prn during the day, which I guess would mess with blood levels. I suppose I'll just stick to my 0.5mg at night and put up with the daytime stimulation for now, since it sounds like if I wanted to benefit properly, I'd have to take the drug on a consistent, daytime basis as well.
Refills aren't an issue. Here (Australia) a script gets you 100x 0.5mg tabs, and my pdoc is semi-retired, so rarely goes away, plus I have my general physician as a backup ..
> I'm not on Klonopin right now, but when I was, I was on 1mg 3x/day.
>
> The cognition problems are most likely due to your blood levels being on s roller coaster. Benzos are like antipsychotics, in thst when you don't have a steady stste, you have a lot of cognition dampening. If you're really anxious, and you take it at the same time twice a day each day, after a few days, your blood levels reach a steady stste. It's still possible that it might make you just not care to want to read. It will still lower your IQ somewhat at a steady state, but if you're a really anxious person, you'll find in things like acting or public speaking that it really helps you shine and increases your net IQ by reducing IQ-reducing anxiety.
>
> I have mixed feelings about klonopin, because after losing it behind my oven once, it likely led to my first episode of schizophreniform. But I'm planning to go back on it. I'm just too awkward without it. I would go with the lowest dose that works, and unless you're painfully shy, I really think it's best to take it as needed. You never know what will happen to your meds, and you can't count on your doc phoning in a refill on time when he takes a 4-day weekend, and admits to listening to your voicemail on his way out the office before the vacation...
>
> If you do go on it daily, which it doesn't sound like you need, your dose will likely go from .5mg to 1mg. That's conmon, initial tolerance-- but it stays at that increased dose without going higher. You don't need .5mg if it's helping you sleep now. .5mg is like 1mg when you take it only as needed.
>
> you might want to check out clobazam-- it is a benzo that doesn't cause sedation at all, and likely has less cognitive reduction as well. 500mg of Inositol twice daily will not sedate, but help you sleep when you're suppose to-- that's what I take. Combine it with some melatonin and a hypnosis mp3 and you're all set.
>
> You don't want to waste klonopin on sleep, because you want to keep down the total amount of klonopin you need in the day to as little as possible. It helps ease the withdrawal as you taper down.
>
> Although I did a 3 week taper of klonopin and had no withdrawal after 8 years of 3mg/day... If I had to do it over again, I would have hoarded a good month's supply, put it somewhere locked up and safe, just in case I ever needed it. Docs give you a hard time when you lose it, and they don't always return calls so fast... it can take days if you request it close to a weekend.
>
Posted by g_g_g_unit on June 2, 2012, at 20:52:42
In reply to Re: Inositol success-- treats my insomnia, posted by novelagent on June 1, 2012, at 10:03:19
hey, sorry to be such a worrywort, but I'm really confused now.
when I first started on clonazepam, I was taking 0.5mg at night with 45mg of Parnate. I tried it for about 3 days. It left me feeling a little 'blah' during the day -- albeit calmer -- and, worse, negated a lot of the energizing, mood-lifting and attention-enhancing effects of Parnate.
after I moved to just 50mg, the clonazepam put me to sleep, but I'd been feeling really wired and anxious during the day and just couldn't calm down at night. so I ended up taking 1mg last night and am back to feeling totally blah and inattentive.
to be honest, I'm not sure which is worse :-/ is the blah-ness something that can ease off with stabilization, i.e. should I stick to consistently taking 1mg from now on?
Posted by novelagent on June 4, 2012, at 8:42:55
In reply to Re: Q for novelagent » novelagent, posted by g_g_g_unit on June 2, 2012, at 20:52:42
you may want totry.5mg, with your doctor's approval (you're not an experiment) taken once in the morning and once at night.
It may be possible you sre getting tolerance to the med, but it"s more likely you're adjusting to the Parnate, and the Parnate anxiety might go away after a few weeks. But you will not get a steady state on klonopin unless you take it twice a day. It has a half life of 18 hours.
> hey, sorry to be such a worrywort, but I'm really confused now.
>
> when I first started on clonazepam, I was taking 0.5mg at night with 45mg of Parnate. I tried it for about 3 days. It left me feeling a little 'blah' during the day -- albeit calmer -- and, worse, negated a lot of the energizing, mood-lifting and attention-enhancing effects of Parnate.
>
> after I moved to just 50mg, the clonazepam put me to sleep, but I'd been feeling really wired and anxious during the day and just couldn't calm down at night. so I ended up taking 1mg last night and am back to feeling totally blah and inattentive.
>
> to be honest, I'm not sure which is worse :-/ is the blah-ness something that can ease off with stabilization, i.e. should I stick to consistently taking 1mg from now on?
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