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Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » SLS

Posted by phidippus on March 28, 2012, at 17:52:56

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus, posted by SLS on March 26, 2012, at 20:20:29

why so heady?

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus

Posted by SLS on March 28, 2012, at 19:01:21

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » SLS, posted by phidippus on March 28, 2012, at 17:52:56

> why so heady?

Linkadge took into consideration the 5-HT2a/c antagonist actions of cyproheptadine (along with H1 antagonism) when he made it his choice of an adjunct to hypnotics. I was impressed.


- Scott

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus

Posted by torrid2 on March 28, 2012, at 19:32:38

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » SLS, posted by phidippus on March 28, 2012, at 17:52:56

not understanding whay offends you

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening

Posted by Raisinb on March 28, 2012, at 21:55:48

In reply to Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by rculater on March 26, 2012, at 5:25:39

Both Seroquel and Remeron are likely to work for you, but they might be more sedating than you want or need. Paxil is an option, as it makes many people very sleepy, even though it is not a sleep drug.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Raisinb

Posted by Phillipa on March 28, 2012, at 23:16:41

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by Raisinb on March 28, 2012, at 21:55:48

You know I think in the beginning was tired on l0mg of paxil first ad with xanax .25 three times a day. At the time thought it was the 25mg of lopressor the pdoc insisted I go on first in his words "To prepar my body for paxil". Prepare in what way cause anxiety so bad at the time. This calls for a google search? Phillipa

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund

Posted by Vincent_QC on March 30, 2012, at 8:43:35

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by sigismund on March 27, 2012, at 13:59:01

> Well the night before last I woke at 1am and despite temazepam did not really return to sleep, and then was a wreck all day.
>
> Last night at 6pm I took around 10mg trimipramine and slept much better. Normally I don't sleep deeply enough to dream so it was nice to have some last night.

Hi mister,
I plan to ask my Family Doc next week about a med to help me to fall asleep faster and stay asleep and I read that trimipramine (surmontil) is by far one of the best med as a sleep aid so maybe I should try it?

Right now I take some mirtazapine (Remeron) but can't take more than 3.5 mg if so I feel the noradrenaline effect the next day ( I know it's not normal but i'm very sensitive with all the meds who act as a potent A2 antagonist or NE reputake) and have worse anxiety...also it's not working anymore, so have to take extra dose of benzo meds (Klonopin and Xanax or sometimes valium but that one do nothing even at 20 mg dose) all the time at night to be able to fall asleep and return to sleep when i'm awake...

For the trimipramine, do you know the lower dosage needed to induce sleep without having too much problem with the noradrenaline, since the trimipramine don't act directly as a noradrenaline reputake but more as a A1 + A2 (less potent than the Remeron on that one I think) antagonist, who is different from the others TCA's? Also do you know if it's better to go with the Doxepin (another potent H1 antagonist) since i'm having chronic tension headache (I assume that the Doxepin is worse cause of it's effect on the NE reputake as well as the A1 and A2 effect?

I'm very sensitive to the H1 antagonist effect, so I don't need a high dose normally.

I used in the past the seroquel as a sleep aid but I try it again 4 months ago and almost had a heart attack with it...seriously my heart rate was too high on it, I assume it's because of it's effect on the A1 receptor...

Since now my anxiety is all related to somatization symptoms mainly heart issues(tachycardia , irregular heart beat, low blood pressure, chronic chest pain and left arm numbness) and also head pain (tension headache, jaw pain, eyes pain)... I need a med who will not make me feel like I will die from a heart attack, if you understand what I mean...Also most of the time now I wake up in the middle of the night sweating from the forehead and my back and with a panic attack, it's happening every night now and I HATE IT!!!

Anyway thanks for any kind of advises about that med... really want to know how it's working, if the effect last all day long like feeling tired forever and like on some illegal drug until noon, if it's affecting the heart rate and the blood pressure since mine is on the low side and take some Inderal to lower the heart rate...also drug interractions with it?

Thanks ;-)

Vince

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » torrid2

Posted by phidippus on March 30, 2012, at 13:04:34

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus, posted by torrid2 on March 28, 2012, at 19:32:38

What offends me?

Eric

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus

Posted by torrid2 on March 30, 2012, at 13:07:45

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » SLS, posted by phidippus on March 28, 2012, at 17:52:56

> why so heady?

seems like this responce took offence

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » torrid2

Posted by phidippus on March 30, 2012, at 13:17:53

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus, posted by torrid2 on March 30, 2012, at 13:07:45

What was I saying heady to? I usually mean 'challenging' when I say heady.

Eric

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus

Posted by torrid2 on March 30, 2012, at 13:40:11

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » torrid2, posted by phidippus on March 30, 2012, at 13:17:53

I missunderstood you. To answer you, I seen so many people using benzo's that possibly don't need them. After 3-4 years without clonipin this week I asked the doc to write me 10 1mg tabs so I'm not against benzo's. I'm in a very bad way and need help this week. For sleep wich I have life long difficulties with, nightmares, sleepwalking and constant waking. Sleep doesn't come natureal to me. I have had great success with atarax and melitonin and I feel most people just dissmiss atarax. I can't spell it its a antihistamine used for anxiety. It is marginally helpful for anxiety for me but helpful none the less. When I'm out of control with anxiety it does help. Now if I'm sleepwalking or having terrible nightmares, the kind that stay with you the next day leaving tired and fearful, well I perfer to use clonipin or restiril, but for the constant waking all night long I wish you guys would give it a try. If you hold back on the benzo's for the very hard times and use melitonin and atarax for when things aren't as bad tolerance can be avoided. If you only ask your doc for 10-15 benzo's each month it shows a responcable approach to your use of these meds.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC

Posted by sigismund on March 30, 2012, at 14:22:17

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund, posted by Vincent_QC on March 30, 2012, at 8:43:35

>I used in the past the seroquel as a sleep aid but I try it again 4 months ago and almost had a heart attack with it...seriously my heart rate was too high on it, I assume it's because of it's effect on the A1 receptor...

Oh Vincent, that is just awful.

I don't know anything about the pharmacology of trimipramine. I recall someone saying that it was a little like an AP. It doesn't feel to me as if it could cause anxiety or tachycardia but you are very sensitive.

This is what I do. At least 2 hours before I want to go to sleep (for me this is 6pm) I take around 12.5mg trimipramiine or a little less. This way I have only a little hangover the next day. My guts are a bit sluggish, but that is about it.

It is better for me than doxepin, which did not deepen sleep in the same way. Neither did amitrip. Mirtazepine did but lasted all the next day. Same with cyproheptadine.

I take it with maybe 2mg prazosin split into two doses.

This is physically calming.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund

Posted by Vincent_QC on March 30, 2012, at 16:13:10

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC, posted by sigismund on March 30, 2012, at 14:22:17

>
> Oh Vincent, that is just awful.
>

Well awful cause I was on a pretty high dose of Seroquel (100mg) for my insomnia back in 2009 with no hangover side-effects the next day, so when my Doc suggest it to me again I say why not since I was able to tolerate that med in the past, a small 25 mg will not kill me... but my body seem very sensitive now to it and almost all the meds and always answer with cardiovasculars side-effects who worse my anxiety...

> I don't know anything about the pharmacology of trimipramine. I recall someone saying that it was a little like an AP. It doesn't feel to me as if it could cause anxiety or tachycardia but you are very sensitive.
>

I think they use the Doxepin as an AP sometimes but the Trimiprimine is used mostly for depression... My Family Doc seem to not want to RX the low dose of Trimipramine saying it will just make my heart issues worse, well it was last january when I saw him the last time but I will ask him again about the Trimiprimine since at a low dose it's seem to be as safe as the Remeron and don't affect the noradrenaline like the Remeron do... I guess 2 mg will be enough for me.

> This is what I do. At least 2 hours before I want to go to sleep (for me this is 6pm) I take around 12.5mg trimipramiine or a little less. This way I have only a little hangover the next day. My guts are a bit sluggish, but that is about it.
>

Ok... you go in bed early ;-) I normally go to the bed at 11 PM, so if I take it 2 hours before did I will fall asleep on the couch while I watch the tv? lol It take forever now to fall asleep, go in bed at 11 PM and don't sleep before 2-3 AM and i'm awake most of the time 2-3 hours later and it's very hard to fall asleep again and need to take extra Klonopin or Xanax since I wake up all the times now after vivid dreams and nightmares, that last since 1 month now and have panic attack also every night with the sweating on the forehead like I have fever, it's really weird and annoying and I don't like it at all... I don't like the fact that I also need to take extra benzo meds at night cause i'm addicted to them and they do nothing to help my anxiety now, i'm on a high dose of Klonopin 8 mg day + Xanax 0.25 mg day (usually 0.125 mg as soon as i'm awake in the morning and sometimes in the middle of the night or when I have very bad anxiety when i'm alone at home) and sometimes add some valium up to 20 mg 1 hour before I go to sleep... not suppose to take the Xanax but start it again when the panic attack in the middle of the night start 1 month ago...but will run out of stock soon and my Fam Doc will not RX it again...so I have to find a fix to treat my insomnia and increasing the Remeron is not the solution, don't want that high noradrenaline level in my brains...

> It is better for me than doxepin, which did not deepen sleep in the same way. Neither did amitrip. Mirtazepine did but lasted all the next day. Same with cyproheptadine.
>

My experience with Mirtazapine (Remeron) in the past was positive, I was on 45 mg before bedtime back in 2007 but I find out that the sedative effect didn't last so I had to increase from 15 mg to 30 mg and then hit 45 mg and at the end it was not doing anything to make me sleep... but it was not also doing me anxious or more awake cause of the noradrenaline effect... but at the time I was addicted to coffee BIG time, for me 12 cups a day wasn't enough... lol It's when my stupid PDoc ask me to stop drinking coffee that things start to be worse for me!!! Weird no?

I was on Elavil for my headache back in 2007, at the same time then the Mirtazapine, went from 25 mg who did nothing at all and increase to 50 mg before bedtime and it was doing nothing just putting more weight on me so I stop it after 6 months... My experience with the TCA's is not very possitive, it's seem that most of them increase my heart rate into a tachycardia at rest state, especially the Nortriptiline... The Clomipramine wasnt also a good experience, had electric shock all over my body and had the worse headache ever on it...same for the Imipramine, don't know if i'm having a weak heart or something else, even if I have almost all the cardio tests done for my heart and nothing seem to be bad with it... I just don't know why I was so overreactive with those meds at the time...I was sensitive to them back in 2009 before I had the heart issues and anxiety who is mainly focused on my heart now, so I can't imagine returning on a TCA right now, that's why I wanted to know about the Trimipramine, it's seem to be the only one who don't affect the reputake of the NE, so maybe I will not have the scary fast heart rate on it...

> I take it with maybe 2mg prazosin split into two doses.
>
> This is physically calming.
>

Have to ask about the Clonidine or Prazosin to my Doc also, the Inderal is not very good for the kind of problem I have right now, also it's not decreasing my heart rate like in the past, i'm on 5 mg x 3 times a day but overall only use 10 mg maximum a day cause if I use more my blood pressure drop too much and have worse anxiety... with the not stable blood pressure, orthostatic hypotension, low blood pressure OR high blood pressure, I don't know what is the problem but the inderal is not the med I need to treat my heart issues for sure... I don't know what make me so anxious, what is my problem, is it too much adrenaline or NE, is it too low adrenaline or NE, is it too low cortisol level, too low serotonin or too high...had tests done for the level of those neuro and results was very low for cortisol, adrenaline, low-normal NE and normal dopamine... normal VMA also... anyway...

Thanks for your answer, very helpful ;-)


 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC

Posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 2:06:30

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund, posted by Vincent_QC on March 30, 2012, at 16:13:10

Vincent, let me mention just one thing from your post.

You are taking a lot of benzos and you sleep badly.

My experience has been (I think) that LONG TERM benzo use damages sleep.

Since you are addicted to them the best you can do is try to limit their use.

My suspicion (uninformed!) is that trimipramine could be helpful without the NA of mirtazepine, and that it would be better for the quality of your sleep than doxepin.

But I don't know. Scott or Linkadge probably would.

You can search Babble for thread on trimpramine. I think there is discussion somewhere about the pharmacology of it.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund

Posted by Vincent_QC on March 31, 2012, at 9:03:03

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC, posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 2:06:30

> Vincent, let me mention just one thing from your post.
>
> You are taking a lot of benzos and you sleep badly.
>
> My experience has been (I think) that LONG TERM benzo use damages sleep.
>
> Since you are addicted to them the best you can do is try to limit their use.
>
> My suspicion (uninformed!) is that trimipramine could be helpful without the NA of mirtazepine, and that it would be better for the quality of your sleep than doxepin.
>
> But I don't know. Scott or Linkadge probably would.
>
> You can search Babble for thread on trimpramine. I think there is discussion somewhere about the pharmacology of it.

Thanks mister ;-)

I agree with benzo meds and the fact that they are bad for the sleep in long term.

Hummm, limit their amount is what I want to do but I can't do it without a good med who will keep me asleep at night, at least if I sleep I will not use extra benzo meds at night. At daytime i'm not ready to limit the use of benzo, when I write that i'm addicted it's STRONG mental and physical addiction, have to take my Klonopin dose every 2 hours, I take 0.75 mg every 2 hours and I don't even need to know when I take it the last time cause after 120 minutes my heart rate increase and I start to feel very anxious and I know it's time for another dose, so I take the Klonopin every 2 hours at daytime... I know it can sound stupid but I try to take it at 2 mg every 4-6 hours and it's doing nothing at all for my anxiety, the 2 mg dose will make me tired but nothing more and will feel anxious and my heart will start to beat fast and 2 hours later will need to take another dose... I think my Doc mention that i'm a fast metabolizer and the gastric by-pass surgery I had is also a big problem since we don't know how it's affecting the meds I take, it can lower their effectiveness and reduce their half-life or it can do the reverse and increasing the half-life and make them more effective... I think that's why i'm med sensitive and that's why I also react badly to meds who affect the NE in general... had some blood tests while I was on the imipramine and I remember that my Doc told me I had a higher level of imipramine in my blood who wasn't reflecting the lower 10 mg dose I was taking...

Will search for a trimipramine thread here, i'm sure I see it not a long time ago ;-)

I do think like you and i'm sure that it will cause less NE release in the brain than the Remeron for sure.

Thanks again ;-)

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC

Posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 14:03:05

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund, posted by Vincent_QC on March 31, 2012, at 9:03:03

>Hummm, limit their amount is what I want to do but I can't do it without a good med who will keep me asleep at night, at least if I sleep I will not use extra benzo meds at night.

This is exactly right, Vincent. And you will not feel like such a wreck the next day.

Last night I slept well. I did have to take 10mg temazepam (it could have been any benzo) halfway through. I took the 12.5 or so of trimip 3 hours before bed. It is way better than gabapentin for quality of sleep. I have had 10 years of bad sleep so it is a relief.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund

Posted by Vincent_Qc on March 31, 2012, at 16:43:20

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_QC, posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 14:03:05


> This is exactly right, Vincent. And you will not feel like such a wreck the next day.
>
> Last night I slept well. I did have to take 10mg temazepam (it could have been any benzo) halfway through. I took the 12.5 or so of trimip 3 hours before bed. It is way better than gabapentin for quality of sleep. I have had 10 years of bad sleep so it is a relief.

Thanks Mister, it will be my next choice as a sleep aid for sure, will argue and fight with my Doc but I want to try it since right now my sleep patern is very bad, total time spend in bed is around 8 hours but sleep maybe 3 to 4 hours and its not refreshing at all and wake up in the morning as tired as before going to bed...also always need to nap in the afternoon if not my anxiety and symptoms are very bad at evening and will needto take again more benzo...im sure sleeping better will help me to reduce tghe amount of benzo Itake...

I was on Dalmane 30mg for a short time last fall and I was taking it and never felt the sedative effect by my PDoc wanted me on that med cause of the long half life...but in some respect even if the valium dont work anymore for me its by far better than the Dalmane...dont know why that PDoc didnt like the valium...also the Zzzzz drugs are not helpful, well zopiclone do nothing and never try the ambien or lunesta, ambien is now available on the canadian market since 1 year or less so its new here and the lunesta is not approved...but I guess tolerance to thehypnotic effect build up fast on those 2 meds?


Never take the gabapentin for insomnia, use it at 3600mg for social phobia but didnt work so I stop it after 4 months and I try the Lyrica and was too much dizzy on it...but the Lyrica at bedtime can kill 2 problems at the same time no? Its more powerful than the gabapentin so I guess its more sedative and it can help with anxiety and tension headache at the same time?

Will also ask for the prazosin since its seem to be bettter than the Inderal for heart related anxiety like I have...

Again thanks for your answer, you help me a lot.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_Qc

Posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 16:51:13

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund, posted by Vincent_Qc on March 31, 2012, at 16:43:20

This might be a useful thread.

Larry knows his stuff.

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040719/msgs/368346.html

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening

Posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 16:53:24

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Vincent_Qc, posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 16:51:13

And then this. I forget quite what your problem is.

>Trimipramine was found to be useful in the treatment of IBS, over twenty years ago, particularly the type not including constipation. I'm not sure why, though.

It is a little constipating. I take some picorhizzha (ayurvedic herb) in the morning to help with that.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » sigismund

Posted by Vincent_Qc on March 31, 2012, at 18:53:27

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by sigismund on March 31, 2012, at 16:53:24

> And then this. I forget quite what your problem is.
>
> >Trimipramine was found to be useful in the treatment of IBS, over twenty years ago, particularly the type not including constipation. I'm not sure why, though.
>
> It is a little constipating. I take some picorhizzha (ayurvedic herb) in the morning to help with that.

Oh, its a little constipating? Hummm just had 2 intestinal obstructions and had 2 surgeries for that and im constipated big time and no laxative meds work even if I take 4 times the dose of them...for now the only way to have a bowel movement is the glycerin suppositories and need to insert 4 and more at the samee time to be effective and even its not completly effective and always feel like I have more stool to pass...Im waiting for my appointment with a gastroenterologist to see if I have IBS with constipation since I have pain in my intestine all the time with nausea and bloating...

Well interresting post about the trimipramine, if it can help with the abdominal pain and insomnia it will kill 2 problems at the same time...will just have to find a fix for the constipation with the gastro doc, new med was launch last february in the Canada to treat severe constipation who cant be releive by the laxatives use...its like the Zelnorm who was withdrah from the US and Canadian market back in 2007 cause os his cardiovascular side effects, the new med is call Resotran and work in the same way than the Zelnorm who was a 5HT4 agonist but not selective, the new med is 100 more selective to the 5HT4 receptor so no cardiovascular side effect but I read that its giving nausea and headache...its on the Europe market since 2 years and read that on a lot of french IBS forum...

Have so many symptoms that its hard to know what is from a real disease or only from the anxiety, its like I had the intestinal obstructions, the PDoc I had at the time told me it was only my anxiety and I had pain 9 months prior the obstructions...and when I had those obstructions I was hospitalised in a psychiatric hospital and when I start to be more sick and thrfow up non stop they refuse to send me to another hospital ...to have a ct.scan done to see if I had intestinal obstruction...The leave me sick in my room for 24 hours before my mom told them to move their ass and send me to a regural hospital...At the emergency they saw that I had all the symptoms of a real obstruction and they dont even do a ct scan and was sent to the surgery room and they discover that I had more than 5 liters of liquid stuck in the bile duck and if my mom wasnt there with me to open the eyes of that fucking stupid PDoc and send me to the real hospital, I will be dead right now...The Surgeon who do the surgery told me that 6 hours later the pocket of liquid will explode and I will die from it so that why I say its hard to separete the anxiety symptoms and the real disease...

Anyway enouigh talk for now, my english suck...lol thanks again

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » torrid2

Posted by phidippus on April 2, 2012, at 9:50:06

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » phidippus, posted by torrid2 on March 30, 2012, at 13:40:11

I chew Ativan all night. Its annoying. I have Atarax as well.

Eric

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening

Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on April 7, 2012, at 21:32:48

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » rculater, posted by tensor on March 26, 2012, at 8:07:40

Remeron is not a good quality sleep

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Elanor Roosevelt

Posted by Vincent_QC on April 8, 2012, at 9:45:15

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by Elanor Roosevelt on April 7, 2012, at 21:32:48

> Remeron is not a good quality sleep

Well, all the AD (Remeron-Trazodone) and AP (Seroquel, Zyprexa...) are not good quality of sleep...even benzo meds and the newer ZZZZZ drugs are not good... But when you have insomnia, it's better to fall asleep faster and be able to stay asleep for 6-7 hours and feel a little droggy in the morning than don't sleep at all no?

Also my Doc RX some Atarax who is an antihistaminic, but the dose seem to be too low, only 10 mg... I read on several websites than the effective dose is around 50 to 100 mg...

So will try again the Seroquel tonight, will start at only 6.25 mg (1/4 of a 25 mg pill)and will hope that the blockage of the A1 adrenergic receptor will not cause tachycardia like the list time I try it, was on 100 mg back in 2009 for my insomnia and was perfect for the insomnia... but now it's seem that my heart can't handle meds who affect the adrenergic receptors...

I'm really tired of the Remeron and can't stant it now cause of it's noradrenaline-adrenaline effect even at the small 5 mg I take, I feel it... was on 30-45 and 60 mg back in 2007 also with no problem with the heart...really seem to have something wrong with my heart OR I pay to much attention to it now?... anyway...the sedative effect last all day long, just want to return in my bed and sleep (I try to nap but can't fall asleep most of the time) and I feel agitated on it and my anxiety is really high... The Remeron long lasting effect make me feel very bad (tired, unable to move my ass from the couch, very anxious) at daytime and I regret the good old days where I was able to drink 12 cups of coffee without having anxiety from it and have energy all the time without needed to nap all the afternoon, since my stupid PDoc (Sorry but that's the worse PDoc I had in my life, can't wait to see the new one in 20 days)...he make me stop the coffee 3 years ago and can't have even 1 cup of coffee now without having the tachycardia and drop of blood pressure...

I really wanted to try the Trimipramine but my Doc say no... Same for the Prazosine, he said that my blood pressure is too low and that it will lower it too much and will cause reflex tachycardia who will worse my anxiety problem...

Anyway that's life... insomnia suck, like anxiety or depression and all the mental illiness...

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening

Posted by chumbawumba on April 11, 2012, at 16:29:26

In reply to Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by rculater on March 26, 2012, at 5:25:39

I'm sure it's been suggested already but Seroquel for sure. Only problem is that if you take it regularly you'll have vicious insomnia if you STOP taking it. But 25-50 mg occasionally for sleep will knock you out for sure.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening

Posted by chumbawumba on April 11, 2012, at 16:33:43

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » Elanor Roosevelt, posted by Vincent_QC on April 8, 2012, at 9:45:15

Hydroxyzine is pretty good too. I find 50 mg will knock me out. A little groggy the next day though. I really prefer Seroquel though personally. I feel great the next day, not groggy and well rested as hell.

 

Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening » chumbawumba

Posted by torrid2 on April 11, 2012, at 18:45:25

In reply to Re: Benzo free med suggestions for early awakening, posted by chumbawumba on April 11, 2012, at 16:29:26

evon less, I use to nip a little off a 25mg tab and did well on it, less then half of 25 is very strong for sleep


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