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Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by Phillipa on February 17, 2012, at 20:36:23

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by linkadge on February 17, 2012, at 16:28:12

There is a shortage of meds in the US and antibiotics is one. Will post article a bit later. I'ts very disjointed as also cancer meds, anesthesias just about everything is in short supply. And antibiotics per my infection control doc says that is what took my taste and smell away biaxin is the one. Was on for two years. Phillipa

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by LLee on February 18, 2012, at 2:25:54

In reply to Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by bleauberry on February 17, 2012, at 4:12:09

Doxycycline is a medication they gave my dogs when they were sick, I hadn't heard of it before and didn't realize it was used for people also.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » Conundrum

Posted by g_g_g_unit on February 18, 2012, at 6:14:42

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » bleauberry, posted by Conundrum on February 17, 2012, at 13:53:44

>I think she had to take more antibiotics and >prescription probiotics to stop the runs caused by >the first round of antibiotics.
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Wow, you and your professor are on rather, um, intimate terms?

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by Conundrum on February 18, 2012, at 10:13:55

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » Conundrum, posted by g_g_g_unit on February 18, 2012, at 6:14:42

> >I think she had to take more antibiotics and >prescription probiotics to stop the runs caused by >the first round of antibiotics.
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> Wow, you and your professor are on rather, um, intimate terms?
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She actually told the whole class. Somehow it tied in with what she was teaching, but now I just remember the bacteria part. I think the point was sometimes the role of someone or something is just to prevent something else worse from taking its place.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » linkadge

Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 18, 2012, at 13:47:11

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by linkadge on February 17, 2012, at 16:28:12

> As if we don't have enough overuse of antibiotics.
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> Not everybody's mood disorder is due to hidden infections.
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> Linkadge

True.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » Conundrum

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 14:42:58

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » bleauberry, posted by Conundrum on February 17, 2012, at 13:53:44

Excellent question. There are risks with all drugs including doxy. There is also a fairly significant risk with taking regular tylenol. Lots of risk with all our psych meds. I mean, like everything, it is a trade off....perceived risk versus perceived benefit.

To me the risk is acceptable because the simple fact of the matter is....well said by a doctor.....the risk of not taking it is higher than the risk of taking it. In other words, allowing a problem to go overlooked destroys the person's life more than a drug does. That doesn't mean indiscriminate use of antibiotics. It means when the patient has demonstrated a favorable response to a short trial of one, that is maybe the strongest factor in a clinical diagnosis, for example in lyme disease or similar lyme spectrum diseases. There is no way anyone would know if they had something wrong or if ABX would be good for them without a trial. Many doctors have a hard time with that because it is in the gray area, not the cozy black and white world they prefer. And that keeps people like you and me sick. Just what I've seen anyway.

I happen to be in the camp that is convinced these types of occult infections are far more than we know. They have similar symptoms....depression and other psychiatric issues; fibromyalgia-like presentation; chronic fatigue type presentation; other bizarre unexplained stuff presentation. My lyme doctor said some infected patients of unknown pathogen present with just depression. They often got better on ABX. And in most cases never knew what the pathogen was.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 14:53:05

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by SLS on February 17, 2012, at 7:30:47


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> That's great. I hope it continues.

Yeah me too. I knew the Herx was coming. It showed up a day late and milder than expected, which is fine with me. Still doing fairly ok but herx's do suck. I got a glimpse of what it's like on the other side of disease and I want that.

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> That is a rather high dosage of doxycycline. How did you come to go so high?

Scott I think you would be interested in the stuff Dr Donta of Boston General Hospital writes about. Try googling his name somtime if you're bored and just looking for something different to read about. Quite fascinating and scientific how they approach different antibiotics for different purposes He is a leading authority on infectious disease. Most of which is a gray area. So they discover what works by trial and error in the real world.

Anyway according to him and other doctors who have accidentally become experts through hard knocks, 200mg is not enough to get through the blood brain barrier and it is not enough to be bacterialcidal. At 400mg it becomes deadly to pathogens rather than simple suppressive, and somewhere in the 400mg to 500mg range it can cross the blood brain barrier. The goal is actually 600mg and the timeframe is in months.

Dr Donta sees those doses in real practice being as or more effective than I.V antibiotics, and being effective when there were previous failures with the same drug. If there is neurolyme high doses are required and usually longer periods of treatment times than might be anticipated.

Anyway that's why the high dose. It has killing power and it gets in the brain.

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> Just for the edification of others, it is important to know that doxycycline is an effective anti-inflammatory drug in the brain. This is in addition to its antibiotic properties. One does not have to have an infection in order for doxycycline to yield positive results. It is a common observation that people who suffer from depression exhibit increased inflammatory processes in the brain.
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> Prazosin has been my wonder drug for 2012. I found that it must be combined with 5 other drugs in order for it to work. No complaints! I am still developing a theory for why it works for me. I also have a hypothesis that might identify who will benefit from prazosin augmentation.
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> - Scott

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 14:56:34

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » bleauberry, posted by Conundrum on February 17, 2012, at 13:53:44

I forgot to mention. I feel the use of herbs along with antibiotics is very important for three reasons....
Boosts effectiveness; lessens risks; and helps in other areas ABX don't. For example if a drug has liver or kidney risk, there are excellent plants to help protect from that. If it is feared ABX might cause yeast or fungal infections which is true and common with ABX, many of the antimicrobial herbs are not only potent against bacteria but also fungi. And such.

> > Doxycycline 400mg. Wow. What a difference. Makes antidepressant drugs look embarrassing and way off target. Thus far for 2012 this is the best antidepressant/antianxiety I've experienced in several years.
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> Aren't there risks to taking an antibiotic like this? I had a professor who was prescribed an antibiotic and she got very ill because it killed the bacteria in her gut that prevent the overgrowth of bad bacteria. I think she had to take more antibiotics and prescription probiotics to stop the runs caused by the first round of antibiotics.
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Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 15:02:15

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by linkadge on February 17, 2012, at 16:28:12

> As if we don't have enough overuse of antibiotics.

Used for the wrong stuff. Yeah, overuse in that area.

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> Not everybody's mood disorder is due to hidden infections.

How do we know they aren't more widespread than most people think? We don't. That's the problem. There is zero evidence to support your statement, and yet we collectively as humans view it as undisputable fact.

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> Linkadge

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » LLee

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 15:04:33

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by LLee on February 18, 2012, at 2:25:54

It''s quite common in a variety of infections. Used for skin, lyme disease, acne, it is a broad spectrum ABX. And yes it is common with pets too. It hits a lot of minor bugs and a lot of major ones too. I think it was used with people first pets second.

> Doxycycline is a medication they gave my dogs when they were sick, I hadn't heard of it before and didn't realize it was used for people also.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 15:06:12

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » linkadge, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 18, 2012, at 13:47:11

> > As if we don't have enough overuse of antibiotics.
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> > Not everybody's mood disorder is due to hidden infections.
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> > Linkadge
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> True.
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Not true or untrue. Unknown.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 18, 2012, at 15:17:02

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by bleauberry on February 18, 2012, at 14:56:34

I've taken quite a few different antibiotics for quite long periods of time, for various conditions. One was doxycycline. I didn't notice any effects on mood.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » ed_uk2010

Posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2012, at 20:10:11

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 18, 2012, at 15:17:02

Ed same here doxy was one and biaxin xl for two years pulsed at three months at a time. The infection control doc who prescribed them feels the biaxin caused the loss of taste and smell. As can do this. Other docs said a virus. PJx

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » Phillipa

Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 19, 2012, at 5:33:01

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » ed_uk2010, posted by Phillipa on February 18, 2012, at 20:10:11

>Ed same here doxy was one and biaxin xl for two years pulsed at three months at a time. The infection control doc who prescribed them feels the biaxin caused the loss of taste and smell. As can do this. Other docs said a virus. PJx

I was lucky to have no serious side effects from any of the antibiotics. Erythromycin makes me feel a bit sick at high doses, that's about it.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » ed_uk2010

Posted by bleauberry on February 19, 2012, at 9:07:43

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 18, 2012, at 15:17:02

> I've taken quite a few different antibiotics for quite long periods of time, for various conditions. One was doxycycline. I didn't notice any effects on mood.

That is useful. It is a diagnostic tool. Based on your experience, you are in a better position to rule in something suspect or rule out something suspect, compared to someone who has not had your experience. While I'm not a medical pro and don't know hardly anything about you, I would feel comfortable with the assumption you probably do not have an occult bacterial insult going on. A different pattern of response....such as initial goodness followed by worsened badness...would have given the opposite conclusion.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up

Posted by bleauberry on February 19, 2012, at 9:11:32

In reply to Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by bleauberry on February 17, 2012, at 4:12:09

Ok so strong Herxheimer is setting in and feels exactly the same as the depression always has felt. Hate it. Keep trying to remind myself this is a good thing, but wow it's hard. Will it be days, weeks, or months to get to the other side? Dunno. Will I make it at all? Dunno. But what I got a glimpse of sure was nice and I want it. This big wall called Herx is standing in my way.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » bleauberry

Posted by Conundrum on February 19, 2012, at 11:06:25

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012 » ed_uk2010, posted by bleauberry on February 19, 2012, at 9:07:43

A different pattern of response....such as initial goodness followed by worsened badness...would have given the opposite conclusion.
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This could also be a psychosomatic response if one truly believes they are eliminate something bad from their body.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by Conundrum on February 19, 2012, at 11:08:11

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by linkadge on February 17, 2012, at 16:28:12

> As if we don't have enough overuse of antibiotics.
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> Not everybody's mood disorder is due to hidden infections.
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> Linkadge

True, and likewise not everyone's mood disorder is due to incorrect levels of neurotransmitters.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » bleauberry

Posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2012, at 18:34:54

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up, posted by bleauberry on February 19, 2012, at 9:11:32

Blue thought seriously that you were all better now? Phillipa

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » Phillipa

Posted by bleauberry on February 21, 2012, at 17:07:16

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on February 19, 2012, at 18:34:54

> Blue thought seriously that you were all better now? Phillipa

Huh?

Really?

Hey I'm in the toughest battle of my life no different than anyone else here.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » bleauberry

Posted by SLS on February 21, 2012, at 17:13:38

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » Phillipa, posted by bleauberry on February 21, 2012, at 17:07:16

> > Blue thought seriously that you were all better now? Phillipa
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> Huh?
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> Really?
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> Hey I'm in the toughest battle of my life no different than anyone else here.

I thought that you were doing better, too.

I'm sorry that you must still suffer.

You are helping others all of the time. Don't forget to ask for help from others when you need it.


- Scott

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » bleauberry

Posted by Phillipa on February 21, 2012, at 21:07:17

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » Phillipa, posted by bleauberry on February 21, 2012, at 17:07:16

Blue arent' you working full time and playing in your band? Thought the diet changes, antibiotics, herbs had you well? Phillipa

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » SLS

Posted by bleauberry on February 22, 2012, at 4:30:43

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety Follow Up » bleauberry, posted by SLS on February 21, 2012, at 17:13:38

Better...yes no doubt....all better....no way not yet.

There once was an angel who had it all. He messed things up pretty bad for us here on earth when he fell from heaven and brought a legion of demons with him. I'm sorry anyone has to suffer....me, you, everyone....but that is the beast we are up against. As far as I can tell though, those of us who stay in the fight seem to be gaining some ground little by little. We might lose a lot of battles but we will win the war right? Yes.

> > > Blue thought seriously that you were all better now? Phillipa
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> > Huh?
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> > Really?
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> > Hey I'm in the toughest battle of my life no different than anyone else here.
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> I thought that you were doing better, too.
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> I'm sorry that you must still suffer.
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> You are helping others all of the time. Don't forget to ask for help from others when you need it.
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> - Scott

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by creepy on February 22, 2012, at 10:25:45

In reply to Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by SLS on February 17, 2012, at 7:30:47

I am taking 200mg of doxycycline for acne.. and I have noticed a strong effect on my depression and anxiety.
I did a little research and apparently it antagonizes some serotonin receptors that are targets for newer AD drugs.
Ive read some articles on chronic fatigue where docs put patients on doxycycline and it helps them immensely, but they seem to assume its the antibiotic function thats doing this. I think its the serotonin receptor antagonism.
I dont see doxycycline as something I want to remain on in the long term. I think im going to look into some receptor antagonists like nefazodone.
This is some good info especially for those of us who suffer from CFS. Hope it helps more folks that are getting nowhere with the usual meds.

 

Re: Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012

Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on February 25, 2012, at 20:11:43

In reply to Best Antidepressant/Antianxiety of 2012, posted by bleauberry on February 17, 2012, at 4:12:09

Good luck and keep us posted
If the antibiotics get to your gut get some probiotics and keep black tea, rice, apples and bananas in your diet.

You are right about side effects. It is the gamble we take to fight the effects of staying on the dark side of things too long.


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