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Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? SLS

Posted by Bob on November 15, 2011, at 20:42:40

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? psychobot5000, posted by SLS on November 15, 2011, at 18:32:42

> > > > I combine that with the clinical evidence, so resoundingly against the drug, and...yeah, it doesn't work.
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> > > My experience with lamotrigine indicates otherwise. I do poorly without it, even when I attempt to discontinue it using a very gradual taper.
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> > You say 'attempt' to discontinue...I'm guessing that was just an idiosyncrasy of the way you put it and I read it, but...you have gotten all the way off and stayed off for a good number of weeks...right?
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> No.
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> I elected to restart treatment before allowing myself to agonize for that length of time. I only had to convince one person, though.
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>
> - Scott


Scott, do you still have Abilify on board?

Bob

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? SLS

Posted by psychobot5000 on November 15, 2011, at 20:54:12

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? psychobot5000, posted by SLS on November 15, 2011, at 18:32:42

> > > > I combine that with the clinical evidence, so resoundingly against the drug, and...yeah, it doesn't work.
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> > > My experience with lamotrigine indicates otherwise. I do poorly without it, even when I attempt to discontinue it using a very gradual taper.
>
> > You say 'attempt' to discontinue...I'm guessing that was just an idiosyncrasy of the way you put it and I read it, but...you have gotten all the way off and stayed off for a good number of weeks...right?
>
>
> No.
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> I elected to restart treatment before allowing myself to agonize for that length of time. I only had to convince one person, though.
>
>
> - Scott

I suppose there's no reason there couldn't be a niche where the med is useful. Best of luck in maintaining a regimen that works for you.
-PB

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? Bob

Posted by SLS on November 15, 2011, at 20:55:48

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? SLS, posted by Bob on November 15, 2011, at 20:42:40

Hi Bob.

> Scott, do you still have Abilify on board?

Yes. I'm still at 10 mg.

Currently:

Pristiq 100 mg
nortriptyline 150 mg
Lamictal 200 mg
Abilify 10 mg
lithium 300 mg


- Scott

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?

Posted by SLS on November 15, 2011, at 20:56:47

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? SLS, posted by psychobot5000 on November 15, 2011, at 20:54:12

> > > > > I combine that with the clinical evidence, so resoundingly against the drug, and...yeah, it doesn't work.
> >
> > > > My experience with lamotrigine indicates otherwise. I do poorly without it, even when I attempt to discontinue it using a very gradual taper.
> >
> > > You say 'attempt' to discontinue...I'm guessing that was just an idiosyncrasy of the way you put it and I read it, but...you have gotten all the way off and stayed off for a good number of weeks...right?
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > I elected to restart treatment before allowing myself to agonize for that length of time. I only had to convince one person, though.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> I suppose there's no reason there couldn't be a niche where the med is useful. Best of luck in maintaining a regimen that works for you.

I gotta find one that works first.

:-(


- Scott

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?

Posted by Zyprexa on November 16, 2011, at 6:26:01

In reply to Other options besides AAP for depression?, posted by Doll Face on November 14, 2011, at 8:27:19

Usualy they use SSRIs for depression. Thats about all they do, even though sometimes they think it can help with anxiety but they don't for me. I would suggest Celexa for depression, it worked realy well when I started taking it. I brought me out of sad wanting to cry all the time. I'm not sure but the brand celexa might work better. Currently I take zoloft. Not sure if I need an AD anymore.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? SLS

Posted by Phillipa on November 16, 2011, at 18:26:58

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?, posted by SLS on November 15, 2011, at 20:56:47

Scott any improvement from pristiq? Phillipa

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by sleepygirl2 on November 16, 2011, at 21:14:56

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? Phillipa, posted by gadchik on November 14, 2011, at 10:13:32

Hey,
If you don't mind, can you describe some of the psychotic symptoms that went with your depression? It would be helpful to me.
Thanks,
sleepy

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? sleepygirl2

Posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 9:32:57

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by sleepygirl2 on November 16, 2011, at 21:14:56

The psychotic symptoms came after I stopped sleeping & eating.I thought I had an x in my tongue and i would look at it in the mirror,and think I was marked by the devil,also thought the mirror moved everytime i looked in it. I thought my stomach was disconnected from my intestines and kept going to the er wanting xrays.I was sure that if i ate or took any pills i would die.I got obsessed w/owls.Thought if I looked one in the eye,whether real or in a picture,I would die.I had loud music blaring in my head all night long,and felt as if bugs were crawling up & down my legs.I really felt doomed and often thought of walking into the dead of night,laying down in the woods and dying by freezing to death.I was pretty bad off.I would hear some evil voice saying bad things to me.I was afraid of water too,I thought I would die if I took a bath.Didnt wash my hair for 4 months,now I think,yuk.I almost got put into the psych ward.I came back from all that,cant believe it and I am so grateful to feel good again.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 11:46:22

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? sleepygirl2, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 9:32:57

> The psychotic symptoms came after I stopped sleeping & eating.I thought I had an x in my tongue and i would look at it in the mirror,and think I was marked by the devil,also thought the mirror moved everytime i looked in it. I thought my stomach was disconnected from my intestines and kept going to the er wanting xrays.I was sure that if i ate or took any pills i would die.I got obsessed w/owls.Thought if I looked one in the eye,whether real or in a picture,I would die.I had loud music blaring in my head all night long,and felt as if bugs were crawling up & down my legs.I really felt doomed and often thought of walking into the dead of night,laying down in the woods and dying by freezing to death.I was pretty bad off.I would hear some evil voice saying bad things to me.I was afraid of water too,I thought I would die if I took a bath.Didnt wash my hair for 4 months,now I think,yuk.I almost got put into the psych ward.I came back from all that,cant believe it and I am so grateful to feel good again.

Gadchik, thanks for posting your experience. What brought you out of this awful psychotic depression?

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by sleepygirl2 on November 17, 2011, at 12:11:37

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? sleepygirl2, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 9:32:57

Thanks for sharing that. Were you on any meds at the time?

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010

Posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 12:13:45

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 11:46:22

It was a slow process.I felt like a half crushed insect,left to suffer.My husband kept telling me that when spring came,I would heal.I held onto his statement.It was after a pdoc was summoned to er room,and she told my husband i would die w/o treatment,and he was crying for me to take meds,they gave me an ativan injection.I slept,hadnt slept in a month.I went home,started to sleep,took crumbs of ativan,saw that i wouldnt die,so i tasted a strawberry.I relished the flavor,noticed the deep color.I prayed for sanity.I dreamed in brilliant colors,beautiful sunny days,green grass.In my dream I would run up to people and tell them i was well.I decided to start walking again,outside in the sun.Spring was arriving,and i came alive,ate very healthy,started to see a pdoc and therapist.I took the zoloft,remeron,and klonopin.Very gradually,my mind came back to me.At the beginning,when I knew I was headed for a breakdown,I had a dream.It was a hummingbird w/its wings glued to a white plate,and its eyes were the saddest ive seen.this was this last dream i had for months.After that dream,I seemed to give in to the downward spiral,and just let myself fall.Never again.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 12:31:09

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 12:13:45

Gadchik, do you think that not being able to sleep was what brought on the psychotic symptoms?


 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010

Posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 12:59:58

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 12:31:09

It was no sleep to the extreme,and no food.I think combined w/extreme anxiety,all that contributed to me losing it.When they torture people by keeping them from sleeping,the person will get psychotic.I was my torturer,my brain was.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 14:17:43

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 12:59:58

> It was no sleep to the extreme,and no food.I think combined w/extreme anxiety,all that contributed to me losing it.When they torture people by keeping them from sleeping,the person will get psychotic.I was my torturer,my brain was.

I see, so you didn't need an antipsychotic to get better, you needed to sleep?

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010

Posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 16:55:28

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 14:17:43

No one every suggested an antipsychotic,because i just kept going to ers and telling them I had physical things wrong w/me,I suppose I did need an antipsychotic,but Id never heard of them.When I finally did see a pdoc,that i trusted,I was on my way out of it.What did people do before antipsychotics?

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 17:31:13

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 16:55:28

>What did people do before antipsychotics?

Well, they either got better or they didn't, just like now... but now we have more options. Before antipsychotics, only sedative medications were available, and ECT.

During your crisis, a sedating antpsychotic such as Zyprexa or Seroquel could have been useful but it doesn't sound like you would have needed it long term. You would probably have started sleeping much more and your delusions would have been reduced. The problem with antipsychotics is that once they get started then don't always get stopped. They can lead to pronounced weight gain and other problems. Some people may need them long term, but not others. It's not always easy to tell the difference.


 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?

Posted by psychobot5000 on November 17, 2011, at 17:51:50

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 17:31:13

> >What did people do before antipsychotics?
>
> Well, they either got better or they didn't, just like now... but now we have more options. Before antipsychotics, only sedative medications were available, and ECT.
>

>
The man treatment before effective medications were available was a retiring trip to the sea or the country or to a mineral bath--which treatment still shows the same efficacy as antipsychotics, I'm told. Presumably this was because of the reduction in stress and stimulation.

However, obviously that treatment was only available to a small socioeconomic class, and even then was often impractical.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? psychobot5000

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 18:00:09

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?, posted by psychobot5000 on November 17, 2011, at 17:51:50

>a retiring trip to the sea or the country

That sounds pleasant. I believe that many were not so lucky :(

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?

Posted by psychobot5000 on November 17, 2011, at 18:01:58

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? psychobot5000, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 18:00:09

> >a retiring trip to the sea or the country
>
> That sounds pleasant. I believe that many were not so lucky :(
>
>
Sadly true, of course.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010

Posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 18:51:02

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? psychobot5000, posted by ed_uk2010 on November 17, 2011, at 18:00:09

William Sargent said that if Jesus had seen a psychiatrist he would have stuck to carpentry.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by Phillipa on November 17, 2011, at 19:03:55

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 16:55:28

Gadchik had no idea it was that bad for you. How wonderful to have a really supportive husband. And even more wonderful is that you are well now. Phillipa

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? Phillipa

Posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 19:49:56

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik, posted by Phillipa on November 17, 2011, at 19:03:55

thanks,phillipa, you are always here to give positive comments,and encourage people,even though you are still suffering.Yes,I was very bad off,but I am well!Im grateful for this second chance,and I hope the same for you.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression?

Posted by JohnLA on November 17, 2011, at 20:44:11

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 18:51:02

brilliant! i needed a good laugh today. thnx sigismund.

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? gadchik

Posted by Phillipa on November 17, 2011, at 21:31:24

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? Phillipa, posted by gadchik on November 17, 2011, at 19:49:56

Thanks Gadchik your story is truly inspiring. Phillipa

 

Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? sigismund

Posted by ed_uk2010 on November 18, 2011, at 12:01:45

In reply to Re: Other options besides AAP for depression? ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on November 17, 2011, at 18:51:02

> William Sargent said that if Jesus had seen a psychiatrist he would have stuck to carpentry.

:)


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