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Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 16:22:57

In reply to Re: oh canada! » linkadge, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 18, 2010, at 14:57:55

I totally agree. Serzone was taken off the market here way before the US.

It's just that sometimes it is frustrating to read on PB the different meds that are available and how well they work. I think "I must try that med!". They can import a med to Canada if your doctor fills out a form. I don't know how easy it is to do.

I remember waiting a long time for Cymbalta to come to Canada. I went on it and it worked for about a year. I still had some depression, but no med gets rid of my depression 100 percent.

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 16:24:39

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 18, 2010, at 15:00:34

> >he had to fill out some papers and send them to Health Canada for the SAP programme
>
> That sounds complex. In the UK, the doctor just prescribes as usual and the pharmacy can buy from a specialist importing company.

It's a pain in the *ss. My psych had to do the same thing for Adderall. We are still waiting to have it approved and we submitted the form about a month ago or maybe before.

 

Re: oh canada! » Maxime

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 18, 2010, at 16:48:42

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 16:24:39

>We are still waiting to have it approved

I don't think they've even applied for Adderall to be approved here. We don't really 'do' stimulants apart from tea, coffee and cigs, usually tea. Can't beat a cup of Tetley's lol :)

 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by conundrum on September 18, 2010, at 18:39:03

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 16:22:57

serzone is still available in the US under the generic nefazodone. Its just that bristol meyes squib removed the brand name from the market. A lot of psychiatrists in my area seem to still use it.

 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 18:58:50

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Maxime, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 18, 2010, at 16:48:42

> >We are still waiting to have it approved
>
> I don't think they've even applied for Adderall to be approved here. We don't really 'do' stimulants apart from tea, coffee and cigs, usually tea. Can't beat a cup of Tetley's lol :)
>

LMAO! So I should drink more tea and take up smoking. You are right about a cup of Tetley's. A cup of tea can help in all situations ... that is what my dad believed too.

 

Re: oh canada! » linkadge

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 6:06:56

In reply to Re: oh canada!, posted by linkadge on September 18, 2010, at 14:17:28


> Inositol *is* available in canada. I just bought a jar of inositol powder from GNC. 500g for about $25.
>
> Linkadge

You are from the Ontario Linkadge???

I think some provinces in the Canada have different allowed natural products... not sure but I ask all the Pharmacists in my area, they do some research and they told me it was not allow in the Quebec province... So I order it from the States...

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 6:08:22

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 18, 2010, at 15:00:34

> >he had to fill out some papers and send them to Health Canada for the SAP programme
>
> That sounds complex. In the UK, the doctor just prescribes as usual and the pharmacy can buy from a specialist importing company.

That's complex... everything is complex in the Quebec province... Health Canada are very strict...

 

Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC

Posted by linkadge on September 19, 2010, at 6:45:50

In reply to Re: oh canada! » linkadge, posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 6:06:56

Ah, you're in quebec. Inositol is here in ontario. But, there are other supplements I can't get in ontario like picamilon, or lithium (supplemental) etc.

Linkadge

 

Re: oh canada! » linkadge

Posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 6:55:21

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by linkadge on September 19, 2010, at 6:45:50

Its also interesting that there are quite a few from Canada here. Maybe you'd be better now if you were living in the U.S. (and you had insurance of course.)

 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 7:55:48

In reply to Re: oh canada! » linkadge, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 6:55:21

>Maybe you'd be better now if you were living in the U.S.

If you want free samples of the latest and greatest new med, yes. Unfortunately, it may also involve being a guinea pig for new side effects, new withdrawal symptoms and often ends up costing a lot of money. In addition, a lot of 'new' meds are just overpriced me-too drugs and patent extenders eg. Pristiq. Perhaps Canada are excessively strict, but there is a lot to be said for being cautious when it comes to new medications which will end up being prescribed for millions of people.

The European authorities appear to be similar in 'strictness' to the FDA, but they sometimes have differing opinions. You have some meds and we don't and vice versa. Also depends on whether the manufacturers applied for approval. Overall, there are many more meds available in the US.

 

Re: oh canada! » linkadge

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 8:08:58

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by linkadge on September 19, 2010, at 6:45:50

> Ah, you're in quebec. Inositol is here in ontario. But, there are other supplements I can't get in ontario like picamilon, or lithium (supplemental) etc.
>
> Linkadge

Yeah, Quebec city... french QUÉBÉCOIS not Canadian!!! lol ;-)

Humm I see... I think the other guy is right... perhaps it's better to have meds later in the Canada, at least when they are launch in the Canada, they are well tested... But here also all the PDoc I had and the one I have now are trying to push new meds... Had several samples boxes, especially for the Cipralex (Lexapro), Pristiq, Cymbalta... throw all of them in garbaage... especially the Cymbalta, who I hated a lot!!! Anxiety disorder and noradrenaline reputake is not something who work for everyone...

Anyway... I remember one med, Serzone, who was withdraw from the Canadian market in 2003, they don't have it in a generic form in the Canada... wonder why in the USA they have it...it was good for the anxiety, far better than the Desyrel ( less next day sedation and less increase anxiety at daytime)...

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 8:49:15

In reply to Re: oh canada!, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 7:55:48

I agree about those dumb me too drugs. Pristiq doesn't even have DRI like the original. Yes we are guinea pigs, but it seems like you get the same drugs eventually anyway. Cymbalta is still linked with liver problems and Canada still approved it. I dont' think its the new drugs that keeps canadian's from getting well. I think its the time it takeks to see a pdoc and then short appointment times. How can they make an accurate assessment if its hard to get consistent visits and they are short like someone on he recently stated?

 

Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 10:36:23

In reply to Re: oh canada! » linkadge, posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 8:08:58

>don't have it in a generic form in the Canada... wonder why in the USA they have it...

Because the USA is the biggest market for prescription drugs in the world, there are a lot of people and prescribing is very high - in spite of the very high cost of new medicines. Even infrequently prescribed products sell well enough to make it worthwhile for the manufacturer. If they tried to sell generic nefazodone elsewhere, it probably wouldn't be prescribed enough to make it financially viable for the manufacturers and suppliers. We don't have it here either, it simply wouldn't be prescribed... or very rarely.

 

Re: oh canada! » Conundrum

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 10:40:09

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 8:49:15

>How can they make an accurate assessment if its hard to get consistent visits and they are short like someone on he recently stated?

I get the impression that Healthcare in the US works very well for those who have good insurance, plenty of money, or both. For those who don't it can be very difficult. Healthcare is fairer here, but the quality is variable and waiting times are often too long. Access to new treatments (eg. for cancer) is sometimes poor.

The Brits are quite medication phobic, but the doctors still prescribe a lot. Most of it ends up in the bin.

 

Re: oh canada! » Conundrum

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 11:19:02

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 8:49:15

> I agree about those dumb me too drugs. Pristiq doesn't even have DRI like the original. Yes we are guinea pigs, but it seems like you get the same drugs eventually anyway. Cymbalta is still linked with liver problems and Canada still approved it. I dont' think its the new drugs that keeps canadian's from getting well. I think its the time it takeks to see a pdoc and then short appointment times. How can they make an accurate assessment if its hard to get consistent visits and they are short like someone on he recently stated?

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You're so right!!! The problem is not the meds themself, well not all the meds... some of them are very bad... but the main problem it's the time it takes to see a PDoc, sometimes more than 1 year, so your anxiety/depression or any other psychological disorder get worse because it's untreated for that whole year...

Also, sometimes you fall on a PDoc that you don't like or seem to don't care about you and if you complaim and ask to see another one it's really complicated so you keep the same and feel not well understand and hopeless...

Most of the PDoc don't take more than 30 minutes for 1 appointment, they just talk about meds and if all the meds fail, they don't know what to do and they say stupid thing like start practicing yoga...or relaxation... that's not the kind of help a patient need...

The fact that the PDoc or free Psychologist don't take time to listen to you is also a big problem... if you complaim about physical pain, as well as weird anxiety symptoms, they told you that you only need reassurance, and that it's not their job to do reassurance with you...

Same for the free Psychologist, they don't take the time to listen to you because they will see you only 12 times for about 45 minutes... The waiting list is long and they let you know that you are not alone to need help and make you feel not compliant to their therapy... and most of the time they rush the CBT therapy and they are agressive in a way, since they put pressure on you to do exposure to your fears at week 1, even if you are not ready and need to understand why you feel so anxious, why you have so many weird symptoms and what kind of bad emotions hide behind those weird anxiety symptoms... no wonder why CBT fail most of the time on a lot of peoples... I think the patient need to talk first, they need to talk weekly about the symptoms they have, how they feel, talk about their emotions... If the Psychologist only talk about your bad thoughs who need to be change in good thoughs and they put pressure on you do to agressive exposure to fears, it will not work for sure...

So that's hard to not feel frustrated when you face that kind of problems... I don't think it's like that in all the Canada... but for the Quebec province that's bad...we need more PDoc and Family Doc also... that's another problem... no wonder why they go work outside the Canada...anyway...

 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 11:22:23

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 10:36:23

> >don't have it in a generic form in the Canada... wonder why in the USA they have it...
>
> Because the USA is the biggest market for prescription drugs in the world, there are a lot of people and prescribing is very high - in spite of the very high cost of new medicines. Even infrequently prescribed products sell well enough to make it worthwhile for the manufacturer. If they tried to sell generic nefazodone elsewhere, it probably wouldn't be prescribed enough to make it financially viable for the manufacturers and suppliers. We don't have it here either, it simply wouldn't be prescribed... or very rarely.
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Yeah, I understand... the Canadian market is smaller for sure... and drugs company want to make money after all... that's the goal...


 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 11:48:41

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Conundrum, posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 11:19:02

It sounds like England. We don't have many pdocs, and each one has a lot of patients. Even psychotic patients don't get seen that often.


> You're so right!!! The problem is not the meds themself, well not all the meds... some of them are very bad... but the main problem it's the time it takes to see a PDoc, sometimes more than 1 year, so your anxiety/depression or any other psychological disorder get worse because it's untreated for that whole year...
>
> Also, sometimes you fall on a PDoc that you don't like or seem to don't care about you and if you complaim and ask to see another one it's really complicated so you keep the same and feel not well understand and hopeless...
>
> Most of the PDoc don't take more than 30 minutes for 1 appointment, they just talk about meds and if all the meds fail, they don't know what to do and they say stupid thing like start practicing yoga...or relaxation... that's not the kind of help a patient need...
>
> The fact that the PDoc or free Psychologist don't take time to listen to you is also a big problem... if you complaim about physical pain, as well as weird anxiety symptoms, they told you that you only need reassurance, and that it's not their job to do reassurance with you...
>
> Same for the free Psychologist, they don't take the time to listen to you because they will see you only 12 times for about 45 minutes... The waiting list is long and they let you know that you are not alone to need help and make you feel not compliant to their therapy... and most of the time they rush the CBT therapy and they are agressive in a way, since they put pressure on you to do exposure to your fears at week 1, even if you are not ready and need to understand why you feel so anxious, why you have so many weird symptoms and what kind of bad emotions hide behind those weird anxiety symptoms... no wonder why CBT fail most of the time on a lot of peoples... I think the patient need to talk first, they need to talk weekly about the symptoms they have, how they feel, talk about their emotions... If the Psychologist only talk about your bad thoughs who need to be change in good thoughs and they put pressure on you do to agressive exposure to fears, it will not work for sure...
>
> So that's hard to not feel frustrated when you face that kind of problems... I don't think it's like that in all the Canada... but for the Quebec province that's bad...we need more PDoc and Family Doc also... that's another problem... no wonder why they go work outside the Canada...anyway...

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 12:04:22

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Conundrum, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 10:40:09

I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 12:13:14

In reply to Re: oh canada!, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 11:48:41

> It sounds like England. We don't have many pdocs, and each one has a lot of patients. Even psychotic patients don't get seen that often.
>
>

Same here... not a lot of PDoc for sure and they have too many patients... but I see mine every month, sometimes he cancel my appointment at the last minute and schedule another one 1-2 weeks later... but most of the time it's 1 time a month...

 

Re: oh canada!

Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 12:19:12

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 12:04:22

>I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.

There are quite a lot of people here who seem to take advantage of our social security and healthcare systems.

 

Re: oh canada! » Conundrum

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 12:25:06

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 12:04:22

> I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.

I understand that... BUT to be able to have a job, you need to be in good mental shape... if you can't go out of your house and walk alone in a street, I don't see how you will be able to go to work and have to energy to do it... also what kind of work you will able to do in in a bad mental state??? When you have difficulty to take a shower because you are all the time tired because of too many worries and anxiety symptoms who are chronic? I just mean that some peoples will exaggerate their problems but others will not... and for those peoples, being hopeless after years of bad medical care and no solution can lead to worse mental disorder...

I do admit that maybe some peoples will sit on their laurels and just wait... but i'm sure most of them don't do it on purpose... and if they do it on purpose, there will always be people who will abuse from the medical system and will do nothing to get better... and some peoples like me, who will try everything to find a solution and just get well...but sadly will not find the good solutions before years...

 

Re: oh canada! » linkadge

Posted by Vincent_QC on September 19, 2010, at 12:28:34

In reply to Re: oh canada! » Vincent_QC, posted by linkadge on September 19, 2010, at 6:45:50

> Ah, you're in quebec. Inositol is here in ontario. But, there are other supplements I can't get in ontario like picamilon, or lithium (supplemental) etc.
>
> Linkadge

I'm curious Linkadge,
I know that i'm not posting that question on the good board, but why you take Inositol? Is it working good? Order it, receive it but was to afraid to increase the dosage to 18 gramms a day like they say in the study for panic disorder...

 

Re: oh canada! » Conundrum

Posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 15:31:26

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 12:04:22

> I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.

Vincent, don't you get your meds for free since you are on Welfare? I do. There are a couple that are not part of the plan and my doctor had to fill in an exemption form and then I got them. When you are on Welfare there is no way that you can pays for med. When you are on Welfare you are barely able to spend a penny extra.

 

Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010

Posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 15:33:00

In reply to Re: oh canada!, posted by ed_uk2010 on September 19, 2010, at 12:19:12

> >I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.
>
> There are quite a lot of people here who seem to take advantage of our social security and healthcare systems.
>
>

I agree. And those people make it harder for us, the ones who stick to the rules. Those people really piss me off!

 

Re: oh canada! » Conundrum

Posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 15:36:01

In reply to Re: oh canada! » ed_uk2010, posted by Conundrum on September 19, 2010, at 12:04:22

> I don't have good healthcare here in the US but its forcing me to look for job, so thats not necessarily a bad thing. It forces people not to sit on their laurels. Not saying canadians do, but I know americans would.

People abuse the system here. When you are on Welfare you get all your meds for free. So why would you try to get a job. I hated being on Welfare. I only started my new job a week ago and I feel better about myself. When I am welfare I feel like a parasite of society.

It's hard to look for a job because there are not many out there. I hope you find something soon.


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