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Posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2010, at 23:43:21
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » Maxime, posted by emmanuel98 on September 12, 2010, at 22:59:19
Emmanuel98,
I didn't like that book either. Not at all helpful--in fact, irritating for just the examples you cited. Reinforced my feelings of alienation because, as you said, if only my life were that simple.
There is a book that still stands out (for me) amidst a sea of facile (read annoying) mindfulness books: http://
amzn.com/0465085857Thoughts Without A Thinker by Mark Epstein.
About dbt. My best experience (most helpful and enduring) was group dbt. And it was more affordable. Not easy to come by, a group that really clicks, maybe, but another possible avenue of self-help. The lead was able to keep us moving and didn't waste our time :)
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2010, at 5:24:13
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » emmanuel98, posted by floatingbridge on September 12, 2010, at 23:43:21
Hi FB.
What would you say are the major differences between CBT and DBT?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by floatingbridge on September 13, 2010, at 6:20:24
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » floatingbridge, posted by SLS on September 13, 2010, at 5:24:13
You are up early or skipped it completely. I read nearly 3/4 of that tremendous thread started by olivia12
I decided BP or not, you are one of the most rational thinkers I know (online, of course).
Well, studies tend to say that PBD is much less effected by cbt. A true or let's say straightine cbt practiomer may inadvertently trigger anger. Not that in it self is bad or to be avoided. As the anger (saddness, fear) surfaces, repressed, misplaced and looking maybe a little large for the therapists' one room office. Cbt therapist would very quickly and clearly let the patient know that the alien gob rising up the back of her throat was the clients anger. The client isn't clear at all; she's losong control. Her rage may be partily articulated, and mow could be feeling intense shame and fear.
Oh what am I trying to say? True BP types want, besides a very deep sense of relief, validation and acceptance. Cognitive *distortions* area part of the overall issues.
Funny, Scott, you asking me this. I decided today that I am PBD or at least have lots of traits. A rose by any other name:) Tuesday I tell my pdoc.
I can't believe the strength of this board combined. Bless us one and all.
Posted by SLS on September 13, 2010, at 7:19:56
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » SLS, posted by floatingbridge on September 13, 2010, at 6:20:24
> I decided BP or not, you are one of the most rational thinkers I know (online, of course).
Thanks, FB. Your kind words mean a lot to me.
I know that DBT was designed specifically for treating borderline personality disorder (BPD). I hope they change the name of this condition in DSM V. Probably not, though.
You are a real positive force on Psycho-Babble.
- Scott
Posted by floatingbridge on September 14, 2010, at 11:10:52
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » floatingbridge, posted by SLS on September 13, 2010, at 7:19:56
Sincerely meant, and thank you, too.
My sleeping pill wasn't working. There are gazillion typos in my post! Pretty hilarious. I need to stay off the keyboard and stay in bed even if my darn pill doesn't work :)
Posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 19:05:57
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » floatingbridge, posted by SLS on September 13, 2010, at 7:19:56
DBT is also used to treat eating disoders.
I also know someone who did a DBT programme for depression.
I was suppose to go through DBT again this year, but with my new job, I can't. I will just have to keep on reading my binder.
Posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 21:07:51
In reply to Re: Go away bad thoughts, go AWAY! » SLS, posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 19:05:57
Despite the job, I am still not feeling that great. I really struggle to concentrate at work.
Despite the above, it is cool environment to work in. I can always hear the singing of little children and their laughter. Of course every once in while I hear tears and I think to myself "would it be OK if I joined you?"
The courses start on Monday and I just want to be prepared. I have full ownership over these courses. No one is telling me what to do. I report directly to the Directon. Hmm, can you tell it's not for profit?
I find I am really tired when I wake up and I have a very hard time getting out of bed. Everything hurts.
I also like my uniform ( I am sure I already posted this). I get to wear jeans everyday with one of their staff t-shirts. :)
Posted by Phillipa on September 14, 2010, at 21:36:43
In reply to Still fighting, posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 21:07:51
Maxie I didn't see a post with the Jeans and Shirt. How cool is that? Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 22:02:18
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 14, 2010, at 21:36:43
> Maxie I didn't see a post with the Jeans and Shirt. How cool is that? Phillipa
It's very cool since I don't fit into ANY of my clothes from last fall. I bought a pair of jeans last week that fit and I am going to go back and buy another. Then I am done! Of course I wear the funkiest of shoes with my jeans! :p
Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2010, at 19:22:18
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 22:02:18
Maxie I wonder what funky is in Canada? Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on September 15, 2010, at 19:34:22
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2010, at 19:22:18
Whatever you dare to wear! I often get comments on my shoes and my tights. I seek out things that are different.
Posted by Maxime on September 15, 2010, at 19:36:21
In reply to Still fighting, posted by Maxime on September 14, 2010, at 21:07:51
I was so freaking busy at work that I didn't have a chance to be in touch with what I was feeling. I focused on the large task at hand at that's it.
Now it is night time (8:30 pm) and I feel like sh*t.
Posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2010, at 21:08:26
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2010, at 19:22:18
I was wondering what funky meant too.
Here it means three things to me:
Super-hip
Disco glitter Glam
Yucky, scungy, unwholesome
Then there's music which means soulful, playful, behind-the-beat. James Brown, Sly Stone....
Posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2010, at 21:13:58
In reply to Re: Still fighting, posted by Maxime on September 15, 2010, at 19:36:21
Glad your day was good and you were absorbed in work. Sounds good.
Hopefully you'll get some sleep and have another decent day. Sounds like a rough ride. Sorry.
Posted by Phillipa on September 15, 2010, at 21:44:28
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2010, at 21:08:26
FB agree that's the same thoughts I had. love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on September 16, 2010, at 6:20:44
In reply to Re: Still fighting, posted by Maxime on September 15, 2010, at 19:36:21
> I was so freaking busy at work that I didn't have a chance to be in touch with what I was feeling. I focused on the large task at hand at that's it.
>
> Now it is night time (8:30 pm) and I feel like sh*t.Try not to forget and acknowledge your achievements for the day, especially when you can feel so negative at night. You are a success, Maxime.
- Scott
Posted by Maxime on September 16, 2010, at 19:35:10
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2010, at 21:13:58
> Glad your day was good and you were absorbed in work. Sounds good.
>
> Hopefully you'll get some sleep and have another decent day. Sounds like a rough ride. Sorry.
>
>I am going to go to bed in a half hour so that I will be in bed by 9 pm. That is so early for me, but I am tired.
I am supposed to have Fridays off and work Saturdays. But I am working tomorrow because I have to. I won't come in on Saturday though, I will just some files home with me.
I'n glad today is almost over.
Posted by Maxime on September 16, 2010, at 19:36:35
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Maxime, posted by SLS on September 16, 2010, at 6:20:44
> > I was so freaking busy at work that I didn't have a chance to be in touch with what I was feeling. I focused on the large task at hand at that's it.
> >
> > Now it is night time (8:30 pm) and I feel like sh*t.
>
> Try not to forget and acknowledge your achievements for the day, especially when you can feel so negative at night. You are a success, Maxime.
>
>
> - ScottThank you so much Scott. I will do that! :) I don't know if I am success or just stubborn!
Maxime
Posted by floatingbridge on September 16, 2010, at 21:32:34
In reply to Re: Still fighting » SLS, posted by Maxime on September 16, 2010, at 19:36:35
>
> Thank you so much Scott. I will do that! :) I don't know if I am success or just stubborn!
>
> MaximeBoth? :-)
Good night. Sleep well.
Posted by Maxime on September 17, 2010, at 18:45:15
In reply to Re: Still fighting, posted by floatingbridge on September 16, 2010, at 21:32:34
I made through my first week at work. I didn't have a breakdown so that's a good sign.
Next week I will start delivering the courses.
I hope I do okay.
Feeling really exhausted and in a lot of pain.
Posted by Maxime on September 17, 2010, at 21:56:57
In reply to Re: Still fighting » Phillipa, posted by floatingbridge on September 15, 2010, at 21:08:26
> I was wondering what funky meant too.
>
> Here it means three things to me:
>
> Super-hip
>
> Disco glitter Glam
>
> Yucky, scungy, unwholesome
>
> Then there's music which means soulful, playful, behind-the-beat. James Brown, Sly Stone....I tend to wear only one piece of funky clothing or accessories. At a time. I don't dress head to toe that way. I love stuff from the 60s and 70s. I do a lot of vintage clothes shopping. It's fun!
Posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 22:28:18
In reply to Re: Still fighting, posted by Maxime on September 17, 2010, at 21:56:57
Nasty thoughts, go away! I think I must be getting anxious for next when I start to train everyone. A part of me doesn't want to do it and is thinking of hurting myself so that I don't have to do it. Then there is another part of me that thinks the other part of me is an idiot.
Posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2010, at 23:22:44
In reply to Bad thoughts please go away!!!!, posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 22:28:18
Hi Maxime,
I'm sorry that (those) thoughts are perculating. I'm trying to think back to my distress tolerance skills for dealing upcoming events.
When I read your post, I remembered the thoughts I would have leading up to a drama performance in hs. Being hit by
a car, etc.That still happens when I think about it now. Now it ususlly precipitates an atypical panic (freezing).
Sometimes I imagine being in relationship to the impending event as somebody else (not saying that's good). I find evaluation or performance intolerable. Somehow I can turn ordinary events into performances.
What would come up if distress tolerance +anticipation was Googled?
Maxime, remember that most people are going to find your work at least better than average. People probably will like you--you have friends here. No one at work will know your struggles (a blessing and a curse--Monday, a blessing). Monday will be an ordinary day, and that is very good.
Hugs...
Posted by Maxime on September 19, 2010, at 0:59:51
In reply to Re: Bad thoughts please go away!!!! » Maxime, posted by floatingbridge on September 18, 2010, at 23:22:44
Thank you FB, you are always very helpful and caring. It's 2 am and I can't sleep. I think I took the second dose of Dex too late.
I really hope Monday will be okay. I don't want to be fired.
Posted by olivia12 on September 20, 2010, at 21:00:04
In reply to Bad thoughts please go away!!!!, posted by Maxime on September 18, 2010, at 22:28:18
> Nasty thoughts, go away! I think I must be getting anxious for next when I start to train everyone. A part of me doesn't want to do it and is thinking of hurting myself so that I don't have to do it. Then there is another part of me that thinks the other part of me is an idiot.
Hang in there Maxime--they would not be trusting you to train others if they didn't think you competent. Yes, that "other" part of your brain is just messing with you. If you don't feel like you can do it, well, just "fake it 'til you make it". We all do this:) Congrats on your new job:)
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