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Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

Friends,
By reading the article in the link here, the infomation could have the potential IMO to save your life.
The article has many links to other articles that could be important to those that question the taking of psychotropic chemicals and could appreciate research concerning the effects of those chemicles that could cause brain damage and death .
Lou
here is how you can read the article
A. bring up google
B. key in:
[Antidepressants Facts: Toxicity & Brain Damage]

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by chujoe on August 4, 2010, at 20:20:57

In reply to Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

Two question, Lou:

1. How come I'm not dead or neurologically damaged beyond repair, since I've been taking an SNRI & before that an SSRI for extended periods?

2. How come the SNRI I'm taking, if it is so potentially lethal, has restored my emotional and cognitive functioning after they were ruined by depression & anxiety?

Note, in case anybody is wondering: I'm not claiming that SNRIs & SSRIs are without risks; but I am most definitely claiming that they are also not without benefits. And by the way, the page that comes up when you type in Lou's search is to a page by some guy without any particular expertise that I can discover that argues by assertion, exaggeration, and by cherrypicking medical studies to fit his agenda.

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by Phillipa on August 4, 2010, at 21:50:46

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by chujoe on August 4, 2010, at 20:20:57

I took it at 60mg for three months. It was great for body pain didn't help anxiety. At the time no depression at all. So went off it but no side effects at the time and years later my labs are all normal. Phillipa

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by morgan miller on August 4, 2010, at 22:35:17

In reply to Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

Gee thanks Lou, good to know. I'm sure I did much more damage to my brain binge drinking all those years though. Oh sh*t, I was binge drinking while on antidepressants! What was I thinking??!! I also think my chronic depression, anxiety and acute mixed episodes did way more damage than any psych med could have done. Luckily for many, a staying on a good antidepressant that prevents major depression is protecting them from more depression induced brain damage.

Glad to see your crusade continues here on Psycho-Babble. Keep up the never ending fight!

Morgan

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by topcatclr on August 5, 2010, at 0:29:23

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by morgan miller on August 4, 2010, at 22:35:17

Ya thanks for that Lou. I f only i listened to you, my brain would be fine. Sure i would probably be dead, but at least i would have a toxic free brain! I am so bored by stories like this! Christ i had NO life at all and could barely leave my house before meds! Leave us alone with the horsecrap!

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by morgan miller on August 5, 2010, at 0:59:24

In reply to Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

Lou, I know you mean well. I'm sorry if my sarcasm was harsh. I just don't think your message will ever be well received on a medication forum like this where people just want to feel better after suffering miserably.

Take Care,

Morgan

 

Lou's reply-teykachanz morgan miller

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2010, at 8:00:42

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by morgan miller on August 4, 2010, at 22:35:17

> Gee thanks Lou, good to know. I'm sure I did much more damage to my brain binge drinking all those years though. Oh sh*t, I was binge drinking while on antidepressants! What was I thinking??!! I also think my chronic depression, anxiety and acute mixed episodes did way more damage than any psych med could have done. Luckily for many, a staying on a good antidepressant that prevents major depression is protecting them from more depression induced brain damage.
>
> Glad to see your crusade continues here on Psycho-Babble. Keep up the never ending fight!
>
> Morgan

Morgan
You wrote,[...keep up your never ending fight...]
Here is a video that shows a result of taking a psychotropic drug. You can see this video by:
Lou
A. Bring up google
B. Type in:
[youtube, tardive dyskinesia 001.MOV]

 

Re: please be civil topcatclr

Posted by Dr. Bob on August 5, 2010, at 16:32:22

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by topcatclr on August 5, 2010, at 0:29:23

> I am so bored by stories like this! ... Leave us alone with the horsecrap!

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.

It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may be required. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.

More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Lou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain da

Posted by bleauberry on August 5, 2010, at 16:41:15

In reply to Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

Just being alive and aging causes brain damage and neurological damage. It is part of a process we cannot stop. I guess maybe what critics claim is that drug molecules that enter the brain cause even more damage.

Residues of pesticides and herbicides on produce at your grocery store. (that's why you want to pay extra for organic...don't believe it when the FDA says these trace amounts are safe...they aren't".

Residues of pesticides, herbicides, hormones, and antibiotics in meat (again, buy organic...Mexico recently refused importation of USA bred meat because it had too much contamination in it! Mexico, ok? The same meat had no problem making it to your grocery store.)

Mercury from amalgam fillings.

Overweight.

Diabetes.

Smoking cigarettes.

To much sugar.

Trusting city water.

Hidden diseases of microbes all around us...borrellia, bartonella, babesia, candida, epstein bar virus, and at least a dozen other common names not to mention the mysterious ones.

Lead and plastic residues everywhere.

I could go on, but that's enough for now.

I guess what I am saying is, if someone is going to single out psychiatric drugs and not mention all of the above, then they clearly have an agenda that is subjective in nature and not comprehensive or objective. They don't care about your health. They care about furthering their agenda of anti psychiatry.

Tylenol. Amazing it is still on the shelf. There are so many documented cases of liver damage and death from Tylenol it is astounding.

If a psych drug can improve the quality of someone's life, then it should be used IMO. What good is a life that is dark and nearly bedridden if the goal is to protect the brain? Remain in the dark and live of life of misery so as not to damage that already diseased brain? I dunno. To me, that makes no sense.

Clearly though, I think most people do make a mistake of relying almost exclusively on the drug itself for life improvement, without addressing any of the other brain-protecting, health enhancement, disease resistance, or life extension things touched upon above. Food and drink choices are extremely important. Without factoring in those, there is no way to point the finger solely at the drug.

I wish God did more miracle healings. I've heard about them. Never seen them. But his wisdom is beyond our comprehension. Whatever the reasons, they are greater than we could understand at this time, and are inevitably absolutely perfect and good. Doesn't feel that way to us right now for sure, but again, there are things our eyes and thoughts have not seen. Some of God's people in the Bible suffered chronic "thorns in the side".

But we can talk to God daily and ask for the wisdom to know which drug it is, which herb, which doctor, etc is good for us. Healing I think is much more likely when we ask His guidance. If that guidance happens to end up being Cymbalta or some other supposed brain damaging drug, fine.

If anything, I think when speaking about drugs specifically as brain damaging, it is probably very high doses where the risks are. I do personally think doctors chronically overdose patients higher than they should be. But that it is IMO.

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain da bleauberry

Posted by chujoe on August 5, 2010, at 18:39:00

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain da, posted by bleauberry on August 5, 2010, at 16:41:15

Bleauberry, very well-said. There is also evidence that depression & anxiety themselves damage the brain.

It's interesting that no one responded to my question about supplements with Cymbalta, but lots of people found something to say in response to Lou's post immediately following mine. Feels like a hijacking to me, even if it is technically a separate thread. Especially since we've seen all this before from Lou. Any time you see his name you can predict what it's going to say. The video his search leads to, by the way, is about the side effects of Seroquel, an anti-psychotic, not an SSRI or SNRI, which is what his post leads one to believe he's talking about. It has nothing to do with Cymbalta.

 

Lou's reply-sihimball Lou Pilder

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2010, at 20:25:48

In reply to Lou's reply-teykachanz morgan miller, posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2010, at 8:00:42

> > Gee thanks Lou, good to know. I'm sure I did much more damage to my brain binge drinking all those years though. Oh sh*t, I was binge drinking while on antidepressants! What was I thinking??!! I also think my chronic depression, anxiety and acute mixed episodes did way more damage than any psych med could have done. Luckily for many, a staying on a good antidepressant that prevents major depression is protecting them from more depression induced brain damage.
> >
> > Glad to see your crusade continues here on Psycho-Babble. Keep up the never ending fight!
> >
> > Morgan
>
> Morgan
> You wrote,[...keep up your never ending fight...]
> Here is a video that shows a result of taking a psychotropic drug. You can see this video by:
> Lou
> A. Bring up google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, tardive dyskinesia 001.MOV]

Friends,
Here is a link to Cymbalta as to its withdrawal and side effecte.
Lou
You can read the article by
A:pull up google
B. type in:
[cymbalta withdrawal, cymbalta side effects]
If it is the first link, it will be titled [Physician's Resouurce}

 

Re: Lou's reply-sihimball Lou Pilder

Posted by Phillipa on August 5, 2010, at 21:24:50

In reply to Lou's reply-sihimball Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2010, at 20:25:48

Just my personal experience but had no problems withdrawing from cymbalta 60mg just went to 30mg then off. Now If I were concerned about a med I'd taken in the past it would be the choral hydrate. Took for many years but been off for many years also. Phillipa

 

LOU = SPAM

Posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-sihimball Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on August 5, 2010, at 21:24:50

When will he be thrown off this board for clear spamming propaganda?

 

Lou's reply-ehynohdizko

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 8:02:01

In reply to Lou's reply-sihimball Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on August 5, 2010, at 20:25:48

> > > Gee thanks Lou, good to know. I'm sure I did much more damage to my brain binge drinking all those years though. Oh sh*t, I was binge drinking while on antidepressants! What was I thinking??!! I also think my chronic depression, anxiety and acute mixed episodes did way more damage than any psych med could have done. Luckily for many, a staying on a good antidepressant that prevents major depression is protecting them from more depression induced brain damage.
> > >
> > > Glad to see your crusade continues here on Psycho-Babble. Keep up the never ending fight!
> > >
> > > Morgan
> >
> > Morgan
> > You wrote,[...keep up your never ending fight...]
> > Here is a video that shows a result of taking a psychotropic drug. You can see this video by:
> > Lou
> > A. Bring up google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, tardive dyskinesia 001.MOV]
>
> Friends,
> Here is a link to Cymbalta as to its withdrawal and side effecte.
> Lou
> You can read the article by
> A:pull up google
> B. type in:
> [cymbalta withdrawal, cymbalta side effects]
> If it is the first link, it will be titled [Physician's Resouurce}
>
Friends,
Here is a video showing dyskinesia as Parkinson's disease, which can be induced by psychotropic drugs.
Lou
You could view this video by:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Parkinson's Disease Video-Dyskinesia 2

 

Lou's reply-lehycophey Lou Pilder

Posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 21:52:06

In reply to Lou's reply-ehynohdizko, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 8:02:01

> > > > Gee thanks Lou, good to know. I'm sure I did much more damage to my brain binge drinking all those years though. Oh sh*t, I was binge drinking while on antidepressants! What was I thinking??!! I also think my chronic depression, anxiety and acute mixed episodes did way more damage than any psych med could have done. Luckily for many, a staying on a good antidepressant that prevents major depression is protecting them from more depression induced brain damage.
> > > >
> > > > Glad to see your crusade continues here on Psycho-Babble. Keep up the never ending fight!
> > > >
> > > > Morgan
> > >
> > > Morgan
> > > You wrote,[...keep up your never ending fight...]
> > > Here is a video that shows a result of taking a psychotropic drug. You can see this video by:
> > > Lou
> > > A. Bring up google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, tardive dyskinesia 001.MOV]
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link to Cymbalta as to its withdrawal and side effecte.
> > Lou
> > You can read the article by
> > A:pull up google
> > B. type in:
> > [cymbalta withdrawal, cymbalta side effects]
> > If it is the first link, it will be titled [Physician's Resouurce}
> >
> Friends,
> Here is a video showing dyskinesia as Parkinson's disease, which can be induced by psychotropic drugs.
> Lou
> You could view this video by:
> A. Bring up Google
> B. Type in:
> [Parkinson's Disease Video-Dyskinesia 2

Friends,
Here is a video showing a child with Tardive Dyskinesia from the taking of Invega. Invega is from risperidone and I could elaborate on that later.
But there is much more to this. If you could watch the video, I would like for you to email me with your (redacted by respondent)concerning the manufacturer and the doctor that prescribed the drug to a child.
Lou
To see this video;
A. Bring up Google
B. Key in:
[Child develops Tardive Dyskinesia after STOPPING antipsychotic (Invega)]

 

Re: Lou's reply-lehycophey Lou Pilder

Posted by sigismund on August 6, 2010, at 22:07:04

In reply to Lou's reply-lehycophey Lou Pilder, posted by Lou Pilder on August 6, 2010, at 21:52:06

Lou
Have you suffered damage from the use of psych drugs?
No need to answer if you don't want to. I'm just curious.
I do remember you saying that ever since you stopped Effexor you had music in your head, or something like that.

I'd take any psych drug if I really felt it would help, but alas I don't feel they will. At least drugs of abuse make you feel good for a bit. At least herbs (and all that crap) are more benign.

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage

Posted by bearfan on August 8, 2010, at 4:05:54

In reply to Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2010, at 20:08:10

I'm not even going to read the article, but there is probably some truth that, over long term, the drugs negatively effect the brain and cognition. Although guess what, leaving depression untreated also has adverse effects on brain and body. I agree if you have a mild depression that doesn't affect your functioning stay away from these things. Although being bedridden is no better.

 

Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage bearfan

Posted by morgan miller on August 8, 2010, at 10:02:29

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain damage, posted by bearfan on August 8, 2010, at 4:05:54

> I'm not even going to read the article, but there is probably some truth that, over long term, the drugs negatively effect the brain and cognition. Although guess what, leaving depression untreated also has adverse effects on brain and body. I agree if you have a mild depression that doesn't affect your functioning stay away from these things. Although being bedridden is no better.

I agree. If you only have mild depression or anxiety, can function at a normal level, hold down a job, and go out with friends, you should probably find natural alternatives.

I don't believe that all psychiatric medications do damage in the long run. There just is no evidence yet that this is the case. Like BB said, our brains suffer damage as we age anyway, so it might be difficult to quantify how much damage a medication MIGHT be doing over the long haul, at least until better ways of examining the brain are developed.

And yes, chronic depression and anxiety may do more damage than many medication may ever do.

 

Re: blocked for 2 weeks topcatclr

Posted by Dr. Bob on August 8, 2010, at 19:22:54

In reply to LOU = SPAM, posted by topcatclr on August 6, 2010, at 0:19:28

> When will he be thrown off this board for clear spamming propaganda?

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.

But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.

I do hope that you choose to remain a member of this community and that members of this community help you, if needed, to avoid future blocks. Thanks, sigismund, Conundrum, Justherself, violette, gardenergirl, Willful, and 10derHeart, for trying to help this time.

It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may be required. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.

More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Lou, I'm also sorry if you felt hurt.

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil. Here's a link:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100714/msgs/957880.html

Thanks,

Bob

PS: According to the formula:

duration of previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 16 weeks
severity: 2 (default) + 1 (uncivil toward particular individual) = 3
block length = 2.25 rounded = 2 weeks

 

Re: please be civil bleauberry

Posted by Dr. Bob on August 9, 2010, at 14:52:59

In reply to Re: Cymbalta, other psychotropic drug and brain da, posted by bleauberry on August 5, 2010, at 16:41:15

> if someone is going to single out psychiatric drugs and not mention all of the above, then they clearly have an agenda that is subjective in nature and not comprehensive or objective. They don't care about your health. They care about furthering their agenda of anti psychiatry.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused.

But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.

It's up to you to decide whom you interact with. Sometimes interacting with others may be frustrating, staying civil may be a challenge, and new skills may help. If you're open to developing new skills (which I realize may not be why you came in the first place), that's another way in which you may be supported by other posters.

More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.

Thanks,

Bob


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