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Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2008, at 20:07:09

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by bulldog2 on May 27, 2008, at 18:43:34

I was always very laid back and sometimes decided to get straight A's and other times didn't care so don't think I have Add. Just anxiety. Phillipa

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Sky Brite Line on May 27, 2008, at 23:05:32

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Phillipa on May 27, 2008, at 20:07:09

I have been on everything, everything in the freaking world. Provigil, Wellbutrin, god....

But i have never been on desoxyn. Because mainly my old pdoc would never bring it up, and 2nd i said cylert, and many other ones right when i said "desoxyn" with others, he said "no" right when i said it.

This new doctor, omg its like a joke.

Oh well, im going to go count sheep while he takes me off all benzodiapines.

:)

 

Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this worked. (nm)

Posted by cumulative on May 28, 2008, at 0:01:59

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by streetsk8er794 on June 9, 2008, at 8:45:39

In reply to Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this worked. (nm), posted by cumulative on May 28, 2008, at 0:01:59

Yes. I also have ADHD, OCD, and Social Anxiety; not to mention suicidal thoughts. I have not been able to get a girlfriends because of my intense fear and lack of self-esteem, have had big legal issues from drug abuse, and just plain hate life.
I'm currently on 2mg klonopin per day, and 100 mg vyvanse. The vyvanse seems to help with my mood, but makes my OCD worse. And the klonopin makes my depression and creativity worse. I'm on the brink and dont know what to do....Maybe I will try the exact meds you are on.

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 0:56:40

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by streetsk8er794 on June 9, 2008, at 8:45:39

Skeet....the key is to keep the doses really really low(no more than 10mg/day of Desoxyn). Don't rush this regiment. It may take a year to tweak it to perfection. You're dosing will obviously be different than mine. Stimulants also make my OCD worse and can lead to suicidal depression(this happens to me when the dose gets too high and I don't exercise) which is why I augment with Liquid Zoloft(zero side effects from liquid vs tons of SE from pill form) and Wellbutrin (they sort of act as a buffer for me). Desoxyn has mild serotoninergic effects and synergizes nicely with an SSRI(dependent on how your body reacts to drugs, be somewhat weary of seratonin syndrome--although I've never experienced it). I find that a 4 mile run in the morning reduces the stimulant induced OCD significantly. You must exercise...especially if you're depressed. Don't bother adding the Wellbutrin until you've stabilized on the other meds. Wellbutrin may be overkill. Overall, be careful with this regiment if you have a tendency towards mania. These drugs will shoot you into a cloud of euphoria if you are in the bipolar spectrum. I failed to mention in my original post that I also take Lithium Orotate--the key ingredient that makes everything work...amazing stuff and all that's needed to keep me stable. Just ask if you have any more specific questions. Also, I have to say it, but no drug will work properly if you're not eating healthy. Lots of water. Lots of fiber. High protein. No junk food. And a healthy GI tract is extrememly important for social phobics. Make sure you are having regular bowel movements. Have you been examined for Celiac's Disease? For ex, I have celiac's and can't tolerate any medication with lactose or gluten in it's ingredients without taking digestive enzymes.

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 1:23:07

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 0:56:40

And Street...I forgot to say it but hang in there buddy. Does your depression stem from a sense of hopelessness about your social anxiety and not knowing how to treat it or how to get help? I felt suicidal for quite some time as a result of the extreme isolation and alienation that SA caused me. If you can, I'd come off the Vyanese for a couple a months while you get used to the Liquid Zoloft. The Liquid Zoloft took 5 weeks to kick for me so give it a chance...seriously because it's good stuff. It does work very well for depression and OCD despite what others may tell you. Also augmenting zoloft with buspar is amazing. Buspar by itself does nothing but with an SSRI...great stuff. I'm going to go back on Buspar to wean myself off Klonopin--- (Klonopin is great for SA but it's honestly the worst drug on the planet--get off that stuff if you can--anymore than .5mg will interfere with your ambition, motivation, and creativity). It's the DUMB DRUG! Seriously, ask me any questions. I'll try to help you if I can. Are you a creative person?? writer, artist?????

 

Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work

Posted by streetsk8er794 on June 10, 2008, at 1:31:37

In reply to Re: Whatup Henry, love your books. Glad this work, posted by Henry Miller on June 10, 2008, at 1:23:07

yes. Im a guitar player, song writer, and singer. I've found that I have no drive to be creative. Ive got no motivation. And yes, Im getting the hell off of klonopin. Im going to try maybe adderall xr, and start zoloft and wellbutrin while I wean of the klonopin. Im scared of the desoxyn because Im a recovering drug addict. But, who knows, maybe I will end up trying it. All I know is I meed help... fast... and any input is appreciated.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:26:10

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Sky Brite Line on May 26, 2008, at 22:26:55

Hello I am new to this thread and I must say I am extremely happy that I found it. Very much of what was described sounds a lot like what I suffer from. Henry, it sounds like you have a very unique doctor. I was wonderig in what area exactly is he from. I live in the St. Louis area and am having a bit of trouble finding a psychiatrist to treat my condition. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:33:24

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

> I have Obsessive Compulsive ADHD which, largely as a result of being untreated for twenty some odd years, has manifested itself into an amalgam of psychological conditions: the most prominent ones being Social Phobia, agoraphobia, OCD, Body Dysmorphobic disorder, perfectionism, both cerebral and somatic narcissism and as of late, major depression. I've trialled over 40 medications, none of which really worked....until I stumbled across Desoxyn (methamphetamine hydrochloride).
>
> -->Beginning last June I began: 5 mg Desoxyn 2x daily. This medication, although nearly impossible to get prescribed, is wonderful. I could never tolerate stims such as Adderall, Ritilin or Dexedrine..but with Desoxyn, there have been no side effects such as increased anxiety/ agitation. In fact, I am much more calm and sleep peacefully on Desoxyn (8 hours consistently). It's unfortunate that methamphetamine has earned such a negative reputation in our society as the medication can truly be therapeutic. NOTE: I've been on 10mg/ day for over a year now and have had no desire to abuse Desoxyn or other illegal drugs.
> ADHD: 80% cured
> Social Anxiety: 50% cured
> Depression: 90% cured
> OCD: 50% cured
>
> -->2 weeks after beginning Desoxyn, I added a 1 mg Klonopin Wafer(.5mg am, .5mg pm)
> ADHD: 60% cured (some cognitive
> impairment)
> Social Anxiety: 70% cured
> Depression: 70% cured (Klonopin made
> depression worse
> OCD: 70% cured
> Klonopin is great for social anxiety but seems to exacerbate my depression and dulls my memory.
>
> -->Thus 1 month later, I added 25 mg Zoloft
> ADHD: 90% cured
> Social Anxiety: 95% cured
> Depression: 100% cured
> OCD: 95% cured
> Zoloft in this low-dose has been ineffective in past trials but now appears to synergize with the Desoxyn, providing substantial relief for my OCD, Social Anxiety, and Depression, as well as boosting my cognition, surprisingly.
>
> -->As an experiment, I added 75mg Wellbutrin 1x daily.
> AHHD: 100% cured
> Social Anxiety: 100% cured
> Depression: 110% cured
> OCD: 100% cured.
> Wellbutrin seemed to supercharge the meds I was on , providing complete relief...and I mean...COMPLETE 100% relief.
>
> Current MED Summary:
> 10 mg Desoxyn
> 1 mg Klonopin Wafer
> 25 mg Zoloft(5 htp also worked but not as well)
> 75 mg Wellbutrin (L-Phenylalanine worked but not to the same degree as Well)
>
> I've had ZERO side effects from this regiment apart from some slight dry mouth. I've had no tolerance issues(though you could supplement with Namenda to reduce amphetamine tolerance if you have this problem--Namenda is a totally safe drug but I think vigorous exercise is more effective).
>
> I consistently sleep 8 hours a day, run 5 miles or so in the morning and lift weights in the evening, eat a Gluten/Lactose/Casein free diet full of vegetables: I have Celiac's Disease. I also take a Multi Vitamin, Omega 3 and a choline supplement.
>
> I'm in the best shape of my life. My libido is like that of a 15 year old.
>
> My creativity has skyrocketed as have both my cognition and memory.
>
> More importantly, I've been able to move out of my parents home, get a job, get a girl friend, and start making my own money. This is HUGE for me!
>
> All the meds I take are crucial for relieving my symptoms 100% but Desoxyn is, by far, the most responsible for my drastic improvement over the past year. I can't recommend this medication enough to people suffering from social anxiety: which is really just a byproduct of undiagnosed ADHD in my opinion.
>
> HOPE THIS HELPS!! Henry
>
Hello I am new to this thread and I must say I am extremely happy that I found it. Very much of what was described sounds a lot like what I suffer from. Henry, it sounds like you have a very unique doctor. I was wonderig in what area exactly is he from. I live in the St. Louis area and am having a bit of trouble finding a psychiatrist to treat my condition. Any response would be greatly appreciated.

I wasn't sure if my first post made it through so I posted again. Sorry.


 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Redab

Posted by Dade on August 24, 2008, at 19:29:19

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Redab on August 22, 2008, at 22:33:24

"All the meds I take are crucial for relieving my symptoms 100% but Desoxyn is, by far, the most responsible for my drastic improvement over the past year. I can't recommend this medication enough to people suffering from social anxiety: which is really just a byproduct of undiagnosed ADHD in my opinion."

Great post-it sounds like Desoxyn is a very helpfull med with few SE to speak of.

I agree about the ADD aspect, which if is severe and untreated, can multiply into various other life affecting ills-such as Bipolar like symptoms. Apparently a PsyDoc i saw did to, and commented that if treated "a person functions better over time".

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by streetsk8er794 on September 5, 2008, at 19:20:26

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Redab, posted by Dade on August 24, 2008, at 19:29:19

Henry.....

Long time no post. Anyways, I'm still going through a rough time with my meds man. I'm on dexedrine, and weaned myself down to 1.5 mg klon per day now.

When I take the klonopin, the dex works half as well.
If I take the dex without the klon, my ADHD is good, but anxiety is horrible.

Have you ever tried Nardil? It was the single best med I've every been on, but maybe a cocktail might be better. I just dont like having to juggle 4 meds at the same time. Hope you reply...

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% streetsk8er794

Posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by streetsk8er794 on September 5, 2008, at 19:20:26

I've never tried Nardil my man, although I read somewhere that Barry Bonds used to take Nardil to bulk up and boost his confidence/reduce anxiety while at bat. After taking Nardil, his batting average went up drastically...go figure. I don't want to bulk up nor do I want to loose my sex drive so Nardil, although a beauty of a drug i'm sure, is a no go.

Don't want to mess with anything that effects my ability to write/creativity either. As for MAOIs, tried the EMSAM patch which worked brilliantly with a little KLONOPIN. It's just so dam expensive. 550 out of pocket. EMSAM is pretty bomb actually. I wish I could afford it. I tried regular selegilne and Zelpar(sublingual seleg) and they just don't cut it. Too much anxiety. I don't get anxiety with EMSAM and I imagine that's because it doesn't metabolize into l-amphetamine and it also seems to have a mild effect on serotonin(probably has a higher Cmax; higher concentrations of selegine in the blood). Cutting the EMSAM 6mg/24 in half was the dose that worked proper for me. I felt that it was the only med I needed and a little Klonopin (1mg/day) to take the edge off of course.

It's been a year since my last post and I will say that I'm doing well although my med regiment is slightly different now as my goals have changed:

Desoxyn is by far the best stim for social anxiety but boy do you have to be careful on it. It's rather disinhibiting and tends to make me feel like GOD, even at 5mg. Although attractive to some, it's not good to feel like GOD or think you can bounce bullets off your chest. You just have to be careful with that stuff and remind yourself that you are human...but what a great drug with the ladies...that Desoxyn. It's not that great for motivation though and getting work done.

So given that i'm in a writing phase, i've switched to GSX Dexedrine Spansules. I take 15 mg/day. To be honest, I actually prefer the Dex to any other stim i've taken but it has to be brand name. Essentially you get what you pay for in life and anything but BRAND (and that goes for almost all meds and supplements) is nose garbage. I was taking Barr Dex spansules and having all sorts of strange side effects but the GSX spansules are smooth; hardly notice i'm on medication.

I'm still on Namenda 20mg/day. I believe Namenda to be a wonder drug and that it will be widely prescribed at higher doses in the future. Amazing stuff. Been great for preventing amphetamine tolerance. My stim doses haven't changed. In fact, I often lower my dose. I only wish my doc would let me take 40mg/day b/c it shoots me into a hypomanic state and my writer's block dissipates like a f*rt in a windstorm.

Still on Aricept 10mg/day. Not sure what this does exactly but whenever I go off it, I don't feel quite as sharp so it must be doing something. I'll keep taking it as long as my insurance keeps covering it. Namenda is covered as well otherwise there is no way in hell i could afford these prima donna meds i'm on. I have Blue Cross Blue Shields of California in case you were wondering.

I dumped the liquid Zoloft and the Wellbutrin and replaced with 15mg of LAMICTAL(brand of course) 5mg chewable tablets 3x/day. I'm telling you, 15 mg of LAMICTAL actually works for me. This is the ultimate writers drug. My thoughts don't race yet I feel energized and full of ideas--that are actually good. I've been on LAMICTAL at much higher doses in the past, 200mg, and hated the stuff. Even 25 mg is too much for me. But at 15 mg, it brushes my seratonin receptors and calms me just enough. I feel great on LAMICTAL and my focus is even better than it was with just straight stims.

Still on Klonopin Wafers(generic). Had to go through 3 months of hell to get the wafers approved but finally Blue Shields caved and now they're just 10bucks for 120 .5mg wafers. The Generic klonopin in sub-par so i've had to raise the dose to 2mg/day. Still only need 1mg/day if the wafer is Brand but those, again, are ridiculously expensive.

There is something devastatingly wrong with health care; the fact that it is so difficult for so many to get the best treatment and so dam expensive. It's just not right or fair for those that can't afford these meds, simply b/c their insurance won't cover them. It all makes me sick b/c all the pharm companies care about is making money. Take home message: fight for the meds you want and you will eventually get them.

I have something called Celiacs Disease which makes me very sensitive to medications. That is the excuse that i have been using to get brand name meds approved b/c generics have fillers that contain lactose and gluten in them which i'm allergic to. Many people have celiacs and just don't know it. Get tested and by all means, tell your pdoc you have celiacs and see if your insurance will approve a brand med for you.

RECAP of my current regiment;

1x 15mg GSX Dexedrine Spansule
3x 5mg Lamictal chewable tabs
2x 10 mg Namenda
1x 10 mg Aricept
2-4x .5 mg Klonopin Wafer

Hope some of this helps.


 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:27:59

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

PS. If you need the instant release DEX in brand name form, here's a little trick.

Take a 15mg GSX Dex spansule and empty the contents into a glass of water. The orange beads will quickly dissolve with the stir of a spoon while the white(time release) beads will sink to the bottom. Transfer the liquid to another glass, don't worry about the white beads(they will stick to the glass). Now, in your new glass, you have 7.5mg of pure dextroamphetamine sulphate with no fillers, just some sugar. Leave the remaining 7.5mg in the water and let them dissolve over a 12hr period. The liquid, when fully dissolved, will contain fillers but you should have another 7.5mg of d-amphetamine. It's up to you whether or not you use it. Personally i just trash the stuff. I have my doctor prescribe me double the amount of Dexedrine Spansules (15mg bid). I take a 15mg Dex Spansule upon waking and dissolve another 15mg tablet in water on occasion, depending on what i'm doing that day. I take the 7.5 mg of liquid Dex and sip it through out the day. You can do the same with generic but try to get brand Dex if you can. The Barr spansules will dissolve in water however, it takes about 30 minutes. -Henry Miller

This guy has some interesting stuff about meds on his website although it appears to be down right now:
http://www.christiancocaine.com. Funny as heck too.

> I've never tried Nardil my man, although I read somewhere that Barry Bonds used to take Nardil to bulk up and boost his confidence/reduce anxiety while at bat. After taking Nardil, his batting average went up drastically...go figure. I don't want to bulk up nor do I want to loose my sex drive so Nardil, although a beauty of a drug i'm sure, is a no go.
>
> Don't want to mess with anything that effects my ability to write/creativity either. As for MAOIs, tried the EMSAM patch which worked brilliantly with a little KLONOPIN. It's just so dam expensive. 550 out of pocket. EMSAM is pretty bomb actually. I wish I could afford it. I tried regular selegilne and Zelpar(sublingual seleg) and they just don't cut it. Too much anxiety. I don't get anxiety with EMSAM and I imagine that's because it doesn't metabolize into l-amphetamine and it also seems to have a mild effect on serotonin(probably has a higher Cmax; higher concentrations of selegine in the blood). Cutting the EMSAM 6mg/24 in half was the dose that worked proper for me. I felt that it was the only med I needed and a little Klonopin (1mg/day) to take the edge off of course.
>
> It's been a year since my last post and I will say that I'm doing well although my med regiment is slightly different now as my goals have changed:
>
> Desoxyn is by far the best stim for social anxiety but boy do you have to be careful on it. It's rather disinhibiting and tends to make me feel like GOD, even at 5mg. Although attractive to some, it's not good to feel like GOD or think you can bounce bullets off your chest. You just have to be careful with that stuff and remind yourself that you are human...but what a great drug with the ladies...that Desoxyn. It's not that great for motivation though and getting work done.
>
> So given that i'm in a writing phase, i've switched to GSX Dexedrine Spansules. I take 15 mg/day. To be honest, I actually prefer the Dex to any other stim i've taken but it has to be brand name. Essentially you get what you pay for in life and anything but BRAND (and that goes for almost all meds and supplements) is nose garbage. I was taking Barr Dex spansules and having all sorts of strange side effects but the GSX spansules are smooth; hardly notice i'm on medication.
>
> I'm still on Namenda 20mg/day. I believe Namenda to be a wonder drug and that it will be widely prescribed at higher doses in the future. Amazing stuff. Been great for preventing amphetamine tolerance. My stim doses haven't changed. In fact, I often lower my dose. I only wish my doc would let me take 40mg/day b/c it shoots me into a hypomanic state and my writer's block dissipates like a f*rt in a windstorm.
>
> Still on Aricept 10mg/day. Not sure what this does exactly but whenever I go off it, I don't feel quite as sharp so it must be doing something. I'll keep taking it as long as my insurance keeps covering it. Namenda is covered as well otherwise there is no way in hell i could afford these prima donna meds i'm on. I have Blue Cross Blue Shields of California in case you were wondering.
>
> I dumped the liquid Zoloft and the Wellbutrin and replaced with 15mg of LAMICTAL(brand of course) 5mg chewable tablets 3x/day. I'm telling you, 15 mg of LAMICTAL actually works for me. This is the ultimate writers drug. My thoughts don't race yet I feel energized and full of ideas--that are actually good. I've been on LAMICTAL at much higher doses in the past, 200mg, and hated the stuff. Even 25 mg is too much for me. But at 15 mg, it brushes my seratonin receptors and calms me just enough. I feel great on LAMICTAL and my focus is even better than it was with just straight stims.
>
> Still on Klonopin Wafers(generic). Had to go through 3 months of hell to get the wafers approved but finally Blue Shields caved and now they're just 10bucks for 120 .5mg wafers. The Generic klonopin in sub-par so i've had to raise the dose to 2mg/day. Still only need 1mg/day if the wafer is Brand but those, again, are ridiculously expensive.
>
> There is something devastatingly wrong with health care; the fact that it is so difficult for so many to get the best treatment and so dam expensive. It's just not right or fair for those that can't afford these meds, simply b/c their insurance won't cover them. It all makes me sick b/c all the pharm companies care about is making money. Take home message: fight for the meds you want and you will eventually get them.
>
> I have something called Celiacs Disease which makes me very sensitive to medications. That is the excuse that i have been using to get brand name meds approved b/c generics have fillers that contain lactose and gluten in them which i'm allergic to. Many people have celiacs and just don't know it. Get tested and by all means, tell your pdoc you have celiacs and see if your insurance will approve a brand med for you.
>
> RECAP of my current regiment;
>
> 1x 15mg GSX Dexedrine Spansule
> 3x 5mg Lamictal chewable tabs
> 2x 10 mg Namenda
> 1x 10 mg Aricept
> 2-4x .5 mg Klonopin Wafer
>
> Hope some of this helps.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Henry Miller

Posted by Phillipa on October 1, 2009, at 21:27:57

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

Hi Henry powerful message. I do know celiacs that's autoimmune isn't it? But the EMSAM wasn't stimulating for someone like me that has anxiety and benzos don't relax anymore just make me tired. I still have a box of sample Emsam from when first out. Love Phillipa write.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by jparsell82 on October 6, 2009, at 21:37:05

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

Hey Henry,

I suffer from much the same issues as you, Social Phobia, ADD, OCD, occasional depression.

I'm taking Wellbutrin currently and just started Memantine at 5mg/day. When I visit my pdoc next I'm going to get on a stimulant and possibly give Intuniv(extended-release guanfacine) a try with it.

I too am trying to avoid Klonopin because it dulls my memory and makes me depressed. Also, I'm thinking about adding a low dose SSRI to help with some of the over focus... maybe Prozac 20mg 2 or 3 times a week. Or should I stick with Zoloft or Lexapro? I was kinda interested in the 5ht2 antagonism of Prozac though it seems to be the least effective for Social Phobia??

Some questions for you...

Why did you stop the Wellbutrin and Zoloft... not as effective? Are you taking the lamictal for OCD?

I'm only on day 3 of Memantine 5mg/day and I find it to really dull my memory. I hear this goes away after a week or so but does it go away completely? Did you experience this? I don't know if I could handle 20mg/day.

Also, do you have any thoughts on Guanfacine(Intuniv,Tenex)? I'm hoping to get a calming effect on my irritability/distractibility from it without it being too sedating... maybe wellbutrin + stim would counteract that.

Please respond... sorry for the long dragged out post... the combination of quitting smoking recently and this Memantine is giving me addtional cognitive issues.

thanks

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by jparsell82 on October 6, 2009, at 21:52:17

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by jparsell82 on October 6, 2009, at 21:37:05

In addition to my previous post...

I'm trying to find something to go with the stimulant that will truly help the OCD and overfocusing issues I have with Adderall at times. Don't want to lose my sense of humor and creativity either... that seems to happen somewhat on Adderall with me... kind of a robotic feeling. I also tend to get depressed and irritable on Adderall at times.

SSRIs alone make me very spacey, inattentive-type add. They also indirectly make my social phobia worse because I don't communicate as well on them making my confidence go down... probably because of the blunting of dopamine. I've almost gotten into a car accident twice because of the spaciness on ssris.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by morganator on October 6, 2009, at 23:04:57

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by Henry Miller on May 26, 2008, at 17:24:11

Anxiety, depression, and ADHD all go hand in hand. Some believe that the anxiety and depression come first and ADHD is a symptom/byproduct. This actually makes more sense to me.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% jparsell82

Posted by Henry Miller on October 7, 2009, at 0:38:35

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by jparsell82 on October 6, 2009, at 21:37:05

Hey,

Before I say anything, I always recommend getting a genetic screening to see which enzymes of the CYP-450 enzyme family you have. The CYP-450 enzyme, a super family of microsomal drug-metabolizing enzymes, is the most important of the enzymes that catalyzes phase-I drug metabolism reaction. If you are lacking a particular enzyme, then you won't be able to metabolize it and it will be akin to taking a sugar pill, hence the large variation in people's reactions to different drugs. All the SSRIS for example are metabolized by varying CYP enzymes.

I stopped taking the Zoloft b/c it zaps my sex drive. Of the SSRI's, Zoloft is the best as far as memory impairment and vigilance performance go. This is due to its concomitant effects on dopamine activity which counteract the negative effects of serotonin on dopamine neurotransmission.

Generally, I'm just not a fan of SSRIs. Lamictal is probably the best anti-depressant around and for me, it's anything but dulling. At high doses, yes it can be dulling, but at the low dose that I take, it actually stimulates my creative mind. I can't recommend Lamictal to you though since it effects everyone differently. A low dose seems harmless to try and certainly won't cause the 'rash' that everyone is so afraid of.

Namenda won't improve your memory but it definitely won't hurt it and may prevent any further impairment. I'm mainly interested in it for all the other benefits for anxiety and depression that it seems to have. It effects glutmate which is responsible for excitation and anxiety so perhaps that is the dulling that you are experiencing. The stuff felt like speed when I first took it so who knows? Perhaps i did some serious brain damage from all my years in Hollywood doing too much blow..and the Namenda brought me back to life. Stick with the Namenda, especially if you are taking an amphetamine based drug because Namenda slows amphetamine tolerance.

Try Aricept if you want to notice an increase in cognition. Honestly though, and this is terrible advice, you're better off smoking a pack of cigarettes a day b/c nicotine is one of the greatest cognitive enhancers to date. I believe you can buy Nicowater somewhere on the internet. I know i chew Nicotine gum every now and then when i'm writing. It works. Nicotine will never be marketed to the mass simply because Big Tabacoo won't allow it. Too much money at stake.

I stopped Wellbutrin b/c it really wasn't needed with a Stimulant on board. It does seem to make OCD worse over the long all and makes me a bit anxious. I take a little selegeline every now and then instead to keep my dopamine levels normal. Don't do that unless you are very in tune with your body.

I haven't had the Klonopin memory impairment in a long time, ever since I started taking the Namenda and Aricept and working out and running on a daily basis. I eat a gluten free/ dairy free diet too which has helped tremendously with brain function. I also take an amino acid supplement called BAM made by Metabolic Maintenance which has really helped...well it helped me get ripped for sure and that helped my social anxiety. If I do notice any slight dulling in memory, I have a stockpile of provigil that i've accumulated over the years...i pop one of those and I'm fine for the week. Sounds like a lot of meds, lot's of money, lot's of time spent tweaking to find a solution but I'm a strong advocate of finding the right medication and using it properly but only if the medication is getting you out the doors and experiencing life. Because that's where you will see real improvements in your well being...when you get outside and make experiences and go on dates and get pats on the back for a job well done etc... You will realize that you're not all that screwed up. In fact, you're probably far better off than most.

A little known fact about social phobics that they hate to here: Social Phobics really have a strange form of narcissistic personality disorder. They have plenty of empathy, perhaps too much but they lack the emotional filter that most people have so they feel things and see things at a heightened degree and as a result of being so hyper-aware of themselves and everyone else around them, they believe everyone else views them in the same way. If a social phobic can get over the idea that they are not the center of universe and that nobody really gives two sh**s about them, because they are so consumed with their own lives, than the social phobia will slowly go away. Easier said than done after years of neural wiring gone awry. i've been thinking a lot about social phobia and it's correlation with narcissism lately, fear of failure with a strong desire to be recognized. Many social phobics, believe it or not, have God Complexes...but if they could only go outside and show the world just how great they really are? Most social phobics are highly intelligent by default of spending their entire lives analyzing every little detail of every situation. Einstein was a social phobic as are most geniuses. So if you have social phobia, you probably have a great deal to offer to the world. And if you really can't go outside, why not write a book. It makes sense; you have to have a wild imagination to dream up all the scenarios that keep a social phobic in a frozen state. And at least you'll be doing something therapeutic with all those thoughts and it's so easy to self-publish now days with all the marketing tools available on the web.

One last thing about Klonopin. Klonopin no doubt dulls your memory but anxiety as far more dulling. I took the MCAT a few years back on zero meds and scored a 23. I then took it six months later on a moltov cocktails of marijuana, 4 mg of klonopin, 60mg of Adderall, a line of cocaine, a shot of whiskey, 300 mg of Seroquel, 250 mg of LAMICTAL and a quadruple espresso from Starbucks and scored a 38...Go Figure....that score would have got me into any med school in the country had i decided to go. I had a buddy in high school who went on to run the 5000m in the Olympics. I asked him what his secret was one day and he replied, "I drink a couple of beers before every race. It calms me down. In fact, the day I smashed all those records, I got sh*t faced the night before and puked right before my first race!". Just goes to show that even though some of these drugs may take away our 'perceived mental powers', anxiety can have a much greater effect on performance. Still, I know what you mean. Klonopin makes doing simple things like math a pain. The only solution is to lower your dose or get off the stuff. But Klonopin is great stuff and better than becoming an alcoholic..well at least healthier.
HEnry
> Hey Henry,
>
> I suffer from much the same issues as you, Social Phobia, ADD, OCD, occasional depression.
>
> I'm taking Wellbutrin currently and just started Memantine at 5mg/day. When I visit my pdoc next I'm going to get on a stimulant and possibly give Intuniv(extended-release guanfacine) a try with it.
>
> I too am trying to avoid Klonopin because it dulls my memory and makes me depressed. Also, I'm thinking about adding a low dose SSRI to help with some of the over focus... maybe Prozac 20mg 2 or 3 times a week. Or should I stick with Zoloft or Lexapro? I was kinda interested in the 5ht2 antagonism of Prozac though it seems to be the least effective for Social Phobia??
>
> Some questions for you...
>
> Why did you stop the Wellbutrin and Zoloft... not as effective? Are you taking the lamictal for OCD?
>
> I'm only on day 3 of Memantine 5mg/day and I find it to really dull my memory. I hear this goes away after a week or so but does it go away completely? Did you experience this? I don't know if I could handle 20mg/day.
>
> Also, do you have any thoughts on Guanfacine(Intuniv,Tenex)? I'm hoping to get a calming effect on my irritability/distractibility from it without it being too sedating... maybe wellbutrin + stim would counteract that.
>
> Please respond... sorry for the long dragged out post... the combination of quitting smoking recently and this Memantine is giving me addtional cognitive issues.
>
> thanks

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Henry Miller

Posted by Phillipa on October 7, 2009, at 19:09:04

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% jparsell82, posted by Henry Miller on October 7, 2009, at 0:38:35

Henry could you babblemail me as your's is off thanks Phillipa

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by sam K on October 8, 2009, at 1:51:45

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% jparsell82, posted by Henry Miller on October 7, 2009, at 0:38:35

great post henry. Im gonna book mark it. I really like what you said and your theories of social anxieties. im too tired to comment rite now though.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%

Posted by jparsell82 on October 9, 2009, at 15:32:30

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% jparsell82, posted by Henry Miller on October 7, 2009, at 0:38:35

> Hey,
>
> Before I say anything, I always recommend getting a genetic screening to see which enzymes of the CYP-450 enzyme family you have. The CYP-450 enzyme, a super family of microsomal drug-metabolizing enzymes, is the most important of the enzymes that catalyzes phase-I drug metabolism reaction. If you are lacking a particular enzyme, then you won't be able to metabolize it and it will be akin to taking a sugar pill, hence the large variation in people's reactions to different drugs. All the SSRIS for example are metabolized by varying CYP enzymes.

Hmmm... this is one area I don't know a whole lot about. Can your gp order one of these?
>
> I stopped taking the Zoloft b/c it zaps my sex drive. Of the SSRI's, Zoloft is the best as far as memory impairment and vigilance performance go. This is due to its concomitant effects on dopamine activity which counteract the negative effects of serotonin on dopamine neurotransmission.
>
> Generally, I'm just not a fan of SSRIs. Lamictal is probably the best anti-depressant around and for me, it's anything but dulling. At high doses, yes it can be dulling, but at the low dose that I take, it actually stimulates my creative mind. I can't recommend Lamictal to you though since it effects everyone differently. A low dose seems harmless to try and certainly won't cause the 'rash' that everyone is so afraid of.

Ssris haven't been good to me either... they make my add symptoms worse and indirectly increase my social anxiety. I've never tried one at a very low dose in combination with Adderall or another stim though. I have been on Lamictal before at around 100mg/day years ago.... it was one of the few things that I found mood elevating but it did dull my cognition somewhat. Maybe it's something I could try again at a low dose(25-50mg) without getting cognitive side effects... I really liked the mood enhancing part. It's been awhile though, I can't remember if it was helpful for ocd-like symptoms. Do you find the Lamictal calming? Helpful for overfocusing? Cool to hear that it stimulates your creativity.
>
> Namenda won't improve your memory but it definitely won't hurt it and may prevent any further impairment. I'm mainly interested in it for all the other benefits for anxiety and depression that it seems to have. It effects glutmate which is responsible for excitation and anxiety so perhaps that is the dulling that you are experiencing. The stuff felt like speed when I first took it so who knows? Perhaps i did some serious brain damage from all my years in Hollywood doing too much blow..and the Namenda brought me back to life. Stick with the Namenda, especially if you are taking an amphetamine based drug because Namenda slows amphetamine tolerance.
>
Yeah, I'll stick with it. I actually haven't noticed the memory dulling effects yesterday and today so perhaps I'm getting adjusted to it now... still on 5mg/day though. I wonder what dose is necessary to prevent amphetamine tolerance?
> Try Aricept if you want to notice an increase in cognition. Honestly though, and this is terrible advice, you're better off smoking a pack of cigarettes a day b/c nicotine is one of the greatest cognitive enhancers to date. I believe you can buy Nicowater somewhere on the internet. I know i chew Nicotine gum every now and then when i'm writing. It works. Nicotine will never be marketed to the mass simply because Big Tabacoo won't allow it. Too much money at stake.
>
Haha, yeah there's people over on the Imminst board that aren't smokers and use nicotine patches cut into quarters for a focus boost. I also see there's some nicotine receptor agonists being studied for ADHD.
> I stopped Wellbutrin b/c it really wasn't needed with a Stimulant on board. It does seem to make OCD worse over the long all and makes me a bit anxious. I take a little selegeline every now and then instead to keep my dopamine levels normal. Don't do that unless you are very in tune with your body.

Yeah, I actually just quit the Wellbutrin... makes me very edgy, restless, and irritable. I'm this way a lot without meds so I don't need something making it worse. Tried selegiline before but wasn't a big fan of it... I was taking some other stuff at the same time though.
>
> I haven't had the Klonopin memory impairment in a long time, ever since I started taking the Namenda and Aricept and working out and running on a daily basis. I eat a gluten free/ dairy free diet too which has helped tremendously with brain function. I also take an amino acid supplement called BAM made by Metabolic Maintenance which has really helped...well it helped me get ripped for sure and that helped my social anxiety. If I do notice any slight dulling in memory, I have a stockpile of provigil that i've accumulated over the years...i pop one of those and I'm fine for the week. Sounds like a lot of meds, lot's of money, lot's of time spent tweaking to find a solution but I'm a strong advocate of finding the right medication and using it properly but only if the medication is getting you out the doors and experiencing life. Because that's where you will see real improvements in your well being...when you get outside and make experiences and go on dates and get pats on the back for a job well done etc... You will realize that you're not all that screwed up. In fact, you're probably far better off than most.

I'm actually taking some Xanax right now too and noticing that I'm not getting the memory impairment and as much drowsiness as I use to... I also wonder if it has something to do with the Memantine? I'm not taking Aricept though... i'm a little cautious about messing with acetylcholine... it doesn't excacerbate your ocd symptoms?
>
> A little known fact about social phobics that they hate to here: Social Phobics really have a strange form of narcissistic personality disorder. They have plenty of empathy, perhaps too much but they lack the emotional filter that most people have so they feel things and see things at a heightened degree and as a result of being so hyper-aware of themselves and everyone else around them, they believe everyone else views them in the same way. If a social phobic can get over the idea that they are not the center of universe and that nobody really gives two sh**s about them, because they are so consumed with their own lives, than the social phobia will slowly go away. Easier said than done after years of neural wiring gone awry. i've been thinking a lot about social phobia and it's correlation with narcissism lately, fear of failure with a strong desire to be recognized. Many social phobics, believe it or not, have God Complexes...but if they could only go outside and show the world just how great they really are? Most social phobics are highly intelligent by default of spending their entire lives analyzing every little detail of every situation. Einstein was a social phobic as are most geniuses. So if you have social phobia, you probably have a great deal to offer to the world. And if you really can't go outside, why not write a book. It makes sense; you have to have a wild imagination to dream up all the scenarios that keep a social phobic in a frozen state. And at least you'll be doing something therapeutic with all those thoughts and it's so easy to self-publish now days with all the marketing tools available on the web.

I agree with everything you wrote and have thought similar things myself. I'm reading a few good books right now too(atleast trying too haha), but like you said... easier said than done. They also say Einstein had ADD... I really believe the two are intertwined in some people... there are studies out there that show dopamine dysfunction in Social Phobics and ADD drugs seem to help some aspects of my social anxiety.
>
> One last thing about Klonopin. Klonopin no doubt dulls your memory but anxiety as far more dulling. I took the MCAT a few years back on zero meds and scored a 23. I then took it six months later on a moltov cocktails of marijuana, 4 mg of klonopin, 60mg of Adderall, a line of cocaine, a shot of whiskey, 300 mg of Seroquel, 250 mg of LAMICTAL and a quadruple espresso from Starbucks and scored a 38...Go Figure....that score would have got me into any med school in the country had i decided to go. I had a buddy in high school who went on to run the 5000m in the Olympics. I asked him what his secret was one day and he replied, "I drink a couple of beers before every race. It calms me down. In fact, the day I smashed all those records, I got sh*t faced the night before and puked right before my first race!". Just goes to show that even though some of these drugs may take away our 'perceived mental powers', anxiety can have a much greater effect on performance. Still, I know what you mean. Klonopin makes doing simple things like math a pain. The only solution is to lower your dose or get off the stuff. But Klonopin is great stuff and better than becoming an alcoholic..well at least healthier.

Maybe I'll try Klonopin again sometime with the Memantine and something that wards off the depression I get with the Klonopin. So soon I'll be looking at something like this....
-Memantine (10mg/day)
-Adderall XR/Vyvanse/Dexedrine (unsure on dosage)
-Either low dose Prozac/Zoloft or low dose Lamictal
-Intuniv (low dose) wanna try this to see if I get any calming benefit without sedation, if not discontinue
-Klonopin/Xanax (either as needed or everyday, unsure yet)
-Lithium Orotate (low dose for multiple purposes)

Thanks for your informative response!

> HEnry
> > Hey Henry,
> >
> > I suffer from much the same issues as you, Social Phobia, ADD, OCD, occasional depression.
> >
> > I'm taking Wellbutrin currently and just started Memantine at 5mg/day. When I visit my pdoc next I'm going to get on a stimulant and possibly give Intuniv(extended-release guanfacine) a try with it.
> >
> > I too am trying to avoid Klonopin because it dulls my memory and makes me depressed. Also, I'm thinking about adding a low dose SSRI to help with some of the over focus... maybe Prozac 20mg 2 or 3 times a week. Or should I stick with Zoloft or Lexapro? I was kinda interested in the 5ht2 antagonism of Prozac though it seems to be the least effective for Social Phobia??
> >
> > Some questions for you...
> >
> > Why did you stop the Wellbutrin and Zoloft... not as effective? Are you taking the lamictal for OCD?
> >
> > I'm only on day 3 of Memantine 5mg/day and I find it to really dull my memory. I hear this goes away after a week or so but does it go away completely? Did you experience this? I don't know if I could handle 20mg/day.
> >
> > Also, do you have any thoughts on Guanfacine(Intuniv,Tenex)? I'm hoping to get a calming effect on my irritability/distractibility from it without it being too sedating... maybe wellbutrin + stim would counteract that.
> >
> > Please respond... sorry for the long dragged out post... the combination of quitting smoking recently and this Memantine is giving me addtional cognitive issues.
> >
> > thanks
>
>

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% jparsell82

Posted by g_g_g_unit on October 12, 2009, at 20:53:00

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100%, posted by jparsell82 on October 9, 2009, at 15:32:30

hey congratulations on finding a regime that works, Henry. based on my readings i've always had a suspicion that amphetamine + memantine might be a good combination for me, but unfortunately i've never tested positive for ADHD, and stimulants are so rarely prescribed where i live. i tried memantine on its own, and while it was useful at first, it did indeed begin to interfere with my memory at one point, at least when used as monotherapy.

i'm curious - i don't mean to sound drippy - but was there ever a point where you thought your abilities were "lost", only to recover them? i used to love writing. then i got put on SSRI's and saw everything go down the drain - i lost my vocabulary, my "voice", my passion, my sensitivity to language and sentence structure. i would always come off them quickly, but it seemed like after a few trials the effects were lingering. i gave up writing, and have felt lost ever since. i was always paranoid about medication and now feel like i had good reason to be. i imagine that if i decided to give up writing permanently, i could live a happy middling life, but the desire to return to writing has played a huge influence in determining the choices i make now. i'm busy trialling out MAOI's because they seem to cause less interference (cognitively, etc.) overall, but if Parnate doesn't work out, then i'm not sure what to do.

anyway, you sound like you've been through a lot of drugs, legal and otherwise, so any tips etc. would be appreciated. i've heard about acetylcholine inhibitors being useful when it comes to language-memory but also, like one poster mentioned already, that they were a big no-no as far as OCD goes.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Henry Miller

Posted by dade on October 24, 2009, at 2:54:45

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% streetsk8er794, posted by Henry Miller on October 1, 2009, at 16:11:18

"Desoxyn is by far the best stim for social anxiety but boy do you have to be careful on it. It's rather disinhibiting and tends to make me feel like GOD, even at 5mg. Although attractive to some, it's not good to feel like GOD or think you can bounce bullets off your chest. You just have to be careful with that stuff and remind yourself that you are human...but what a great drug with the ladies...that Desoxyn. It's not that great for motivation though and getting work done."


Feel like God? more so that Coke?-sounds interesting and at such a low dose, goes to show the attributes of Methamphetamine, legal or illicit, i guess thats why Meth is such a social problem, It would have be interesting to have tried brand Abbott Pharms 15mg SR version before they ceased making them in 1999.

It sounds familar you say Desoxyn is not that good for motivation and work, i read this before, Dexedrine is said to have a more powerfull 'rush' i guess thats because Desoxyn is also a Serotonin releaser and smoother, Dex not so much. Johnny Cash, Elvis, Jagger~(1965ish) could get whatever they wanted and all prefered Dexedrine,Biphetamine D-amp especially Cash.

Great post and inspiring to me not to settle for sub-par treatment.

 

SOCIAL ANXIETY - Val (HenryMiller) Please BBLMail

Posted by Rosy Crucifiction on October 25, 2009, at 11:26:02

In reply to Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY / OCD/ ADHD CURE --100% Henry Miller, posted by dade on October 24, 2009, at 2:54:45

Please send me a babble mail.

 

Re: SOCIAL ANXIETY - Val (HenryMiller) Please BBLMail Rosy Crucifiction

Posted by dade on November 19, 2009, at 12:48:49

In reply to SOCIAL ANXIETY - Val (HenryMiller) Please BBLMail, posted by Rosy Crucifiction on October 25, 2009, at 12:26:02

> Please send me a babble mail.
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