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Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 15:42:55
Just got valium filled and was talking with pharmacist about how the benzos no longer work and he said he had a patient he asked why are getting depakote? The patient said it's for my anxiety. Pharmacist asked me knew what depakote was. Said yes mood stabalizer. He said for bipolar. But for some reason it works for anxiety with this man older as on heart meds also and BP meds. I've never heard of depakote for anxiety? What other meds can take the place of a benzo. He'd also said up the doses but can't do that as pdoc wouldn't allow that. And no antipsychotics I passed out on low dose seroquel once in hospital and docs took me right off it? I guess rest of life for me will be just keeping me away from withdrawal. Any comments welcome. Love Phillipa
Posted by sam K on March 23, 2009, at 15:54:59
In reply to Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos????, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 15:42:55
i dont know... depakote wasnt that good for my anxiety if I recall right. but thats just me. Hey phillipa, Im taking a benzo right now and I have like no motovation at all. Do you get that at all? Plus my memory is bad. Amnesia type stuff.
Posted by jms600 on March 23, 2009, at 18:56:39
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos????, posted by sam K on March 23, 2009, at 15:54:59
Here in Britain, Lyrica is licensed for GAD. It's an anti-convulsant, as is Depakote. Although it works on GABA (as does Lyrica), I think it works in a slightly different way (although I could be wrong).
I've heard that Lyrica loses it's effectiveness over time as tolerance develops, although I remember reading the results on an experimental trial where people suffering from GAD were given Lyrica. Over a period of three months patients were given Lyrica or placebo - the results reported no evidence of tolerance in the patients receiving Lyrica over the three months.
Maybe worth posting a thread on the effectiveness of Lyrica on anxiety..?
Posted by CareBear04 on March 23, 2009, at 19:43:22
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » sam K, posted by jms600 on March 23, 2009, at 18:56:39
Just to respond to the previous poster's comment about Lyrica. My psychiatrist started me on it last winter when I was already on high doses of benzos (1mg of xanax four times a day) and still really anxious. lyrica is supposed to work through a non-GABA pathway, which gives it potential to augment benzos. I was first prescribed 50mg three times a day, and the first dose I took was like sometime sent straight from heaven--i felt so mellow and relaxed. Unfortunately, within less than a week of taking maybe two doses a day, I'd become tolerant to the dose, so I had to upp it to 100mg, then soon after that, to 150mg. In order to save it for when I really need relief, I try not to take Lyrica very often, and it does work better when I do take it. It was so nice, though, when I first started taking it; I wish I could recapature those effects because they were amazing!
Posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 20:34:06
In reply to Lyrica for anxiety, posted by CareBear04 on March 23, 2009, at 19:43:22
It's like there are meds for opiod tolerance none for benzos? Love Phillipa How did I get them to work for over 37 years? Low doses?
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 26, 2009, at 6:55:51
In reply to Re: Lyrica for anxiety » CareBear04, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 20:34:06
> It's like there are meds for opiod tolerance none for benzos? Love Phillipa How did I get them to work for over 37 years? Low doses?
Hummm...no Phillipa...I think I know what he want to said...I had the same experience with the Lyrica as well...
Took my first 50mg pill and had to sleep for more than 10 hours in a row...more a sedative action than a anxiolitic action like the benzos can do at first...
Neurontin is the same as lyrica but have a shorter half-life... I never find them very good for the anxiety and they tend to be good as neurotic pain reduction but nothing else... Gabapentin is somewhat less interresting because you always need to pop-up a pill or two because of the sort half-life...that annoying...The Lyrica is too sedative, even if it became less sedative over time...that's not working for anxiety...on me...
I wonder if the valporic acid or the Vigabatrin (Sabril) will help for the anxiety??? Or Something like Lamictal or Epival??? I never try them... One med seem to be interresting for anxiety and it's Gabatril, but it's only avaible in the States...not in the Canada...it's a gaba agonist drug...the others are more a sodium channel blocker or something like this and work more on the gaba-b...the benzos work more on the gaba-a...but that's so complicated..
Posted by Zana on March 26, 2009, at 14:45:12
In reply to Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos????, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 15:42:55
I took depakote for a while, a couple of months. It was supposed to have an antidepressant effect. I was taking 1000mgs all at bedtime. Boy did it kill my anxiety. It also made me feel like a zombie and gave me terrible diarreah (sp?). I haven't tried it but I have wondered if a small amount, like 250mgs, would work on my anxiety but I haven't tried it yet. Neurontin, another mood stabilzer, works as well or better than klonopin. If I could just get off the damn klonopin.
Zana
Posted by VIncent_QC on March 26, 2009, at 15:34:01
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos????, posted by Zana on March 26, 2009, at 14:45:12
> I took depakote for a while, a couple of months. It was supposed to have an antidepressant effect. I was taking 1000mgs all at bedtime. Boy did it kill my anxiety. It also made me feel like a zombie and gave me terrible diarreah (sp?). I haven't tried it but I have wondered if a small amount, like 250mgs, would work on my anxiety but I haven't tried it yet. Neurontin, another mood stabilzer, works as well or better than klonopin. If I could just get off the damn klonopin.
> Zana
Hi Zana...I call you Xana in another post ...so sorry ! lolHummm we are all different...You see, me I didn't answer at all to Neurotin (Gabapentin) and the need to pop-up pills every 2 or 3 hours make it hard to take...I was at the maximum dosage and never felt anything from it, no sedation, nothing and I was on 8mg of Rivotril at the same time...I remember that I had only the pins and needles feeling in my hands and my head... I was on it for 3 months at least...
In the UK, they seem to believe a lot into the Lyrica power action for anxiety...I don't believe in it, especially when you already are addicted to benzos drugs like highly addictive Rivotril or Xanax!!!
You know, the same apply to the Buspar...if you already have a benzos med history, the chance that this kind of treatment work on you will decrease a lot!!! I think people who will benefit a lot more from Gaba-b type of meds are the ones who never take a benzo drugs of their life...
It's seem that all the people who take benzos drugs have the same problem...it's call resistance to the drug....addiction...it can occur after 15 years on a benzos drugs...or after 3 months like me...but benzos drugs change something in the brains for sure and it's seem to be not being recover after the drug is stop...
That's my point of view... Lyrica is helpfull to help for insomnia...that's it...on me...maybe not on you...I never feel it has an anxiolitic action...the zombie feeling is very commun with drugs who act on the gaba-b... I still don't know about the depakote...I never took it...The PDoc told me he don'T find mood stabiliser to be effective in social phobia and anxiety problems...that his point of view...not mine...anyway...who know...
Posted by bleauberry on March 26, 2009, at 19:27:49
In reply to Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos????, posted by Phillipa on March 23, 2009, at 15:42:55
Well Phillipa, the next best thing to having an awesome LLMD is to know someone who is seeing one and learning from one.
You would never guess which med it is that my LLMD finds very useful in his clinical practice for a wide range of things including pain, fatigue, sleep, anxiety, and even depression. You would never guess in a million years.
It is not mentioned here often. When it is, it doesn't get rave reviews. Clinical studies are rather ho-hum.
But in his practice with patients very much like you and me, the med that is so often very helpful is...Gabapentin (Neurontin)...with a catch...it has to be brand and not generic.
So while you surf every day looking for the next greatest thing, most of which you don't have access to getting, Gabapentin fills the bill perfectly. That is something you could get fairly easily from any of your doctors. The difficult part would be getting the brand and not generic. You would have to request the doctor to write "medically necessary" on the prescription when specififying no generic substitutes.
Of the antidepressants, the ones he has the most success with are Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, and sometimes Prozac.
I wonder what would happen if you did a straight across swap to brand Zoloft from Luvox? Or, how about brand Luvox?
In any case, put Gabapentin at the very top of your list. It is commonly used in Lyme, MS, bipolar, fibromyalgia, anxiety, insomnia, pain, and all the mysterious stuff you and me deal with. This suggestion is not based on science or my own personal opinion. It is based on what actually works with significant reliability in a real LLMD's practice.
Posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2009, at 19:51:55
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Phillipa, posted by bleauberry on March 26, 2009, at 19:27:49
BB thanks for the info will have to google it and see what it says. Also seeing a bioidentical doctor next week who does hormone testing and uses pellets for the two good estrogens, pill for bioidentical compounded progesterone, tests for DHEA, testosterone for women and think also thyroid. Google www.carolinahealthspan.com. Let me know what you think. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 26, 2009, at 19:58:39
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Phillipa, posted by bleauberry on March 26, 2009, at 19:27:49
> Well Phillipa, the next best thing to having an awesome LLMD is to know someone who is seeing one and learning from one.
>
> You would never guess which med it is that my LLMD finds very useful in his clinical practice for a wide range of things including pain, fatigue, sleep, anxiety, and even depression. You would never guess in a million years.
>
> It is not mentioned here often. When it is, it doesn't get rave reviews. Clinical studies are rather ho-hum.
>
> But in his practice with patients very much like you and me, the med that is so often very helpful is...Gabapentin (Neurontin)...with a catch...it has to be brand and not generic.
>
> So while you surf every day looking for the next greatest thing, most of which you don't have access to getting, Gabapentin fills the bill perfectly. That is something you could get fairly easily from any of your doctors. The difficult part would be getting the brand and not generic. You would have to request the doctor to write "medically necessary" on the prescription when specififying no generic substitutes.
>
> Of the antidepressants, the ones he has the most success with are Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, and sometimes Prozac.
>
> I wonder what would happen if you did a straight across swap to brand Zoloft from Luvox? Or, how about brand Luvox?
>
> In any case, put Gabapentin at the very top of your list. It is commonly used in Lyme, MS, bipolar, fibromyalgia, anxiety, insomnia, pain, and all the mysterious stuff you and me deal with. This suggestion is not based on science or my own personal opinion. It is based on what actually works with significant reliability in a real LLMD's practice.
>LLMD, it's for the (Lyme Literate Medical Doctor
) ???Phillipa, did you ever consult a Doctor to get the good diagnostic for the lyme disease??? I'm sure some test exist....
Neurontin...Generic or not, for just anxiety, general or social is not so helpfull... I swear the god tha my Family Doctor, who try it on me, told me that he never get any success with that med since it was launch a couple of years ago...but he said that he had more succees with the Lyrica...Strangely, I tries the two drugs...The Lyrica is easy to take because it have a more long half-life but that's so sedative...more than the Seroquel for me...I had 2 weeks round on it and it was enought...I didn'T wanted to feel and look like a zombie all day long...for me, feeling tired don't mean that I'm not anxious!!! That's the main difference between the Benzos drugs and the gaba-b type drug like Lyrica and Neurotin... Neurotin is annoying because of the many dose intakes a day...really short half-life...but less sedative, a way less sedative in fact!!! You have to try it and discover if you answer to it well or not, that's just what I have to say...I know that Neurontin will never be as powerfull as a benzos drugs to relieve the anxiety...
For the pain, that's another thing... The pins and needles effect is linked to the effect of the pain relief...I have big pain inside my belly because of my hernia that I got from my first surgery and it was nice just for relieve the pain from it...but not good for anxiety...even a 3600mg/day and it was the real one, not the generic... I read about the lyme disease on wikipedia and that's right...Gabaoentin is often used for the pain and resistant to the antibiotics...
Also, for the SSRI's I guess you try all of them... Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, that's all the same, just that the newer ones are more pures...and acts more directly on the SE and don't affect others neurotransmittors...Prozac is the most stimulant of all of them...getting a lot of people with SAD and general anxiety with a more bigger problem than before they start the drug... Around 30mg I was feeling so sick... I think it was the first time in my life that I wanted to kill myself...and trust me, I never think about suicide before... so avoid it... The Paxil is somewhat sedative and make you eat the whole fridge...perfect if you need to gain weight...but that's not for me... Zoloft do nothing, even at the maximum dosage...no side-effect, just the weight gain...same for the celexa...and the worst of these three is the Lexapro...I don't know why I react badly to it cause it's the same thing than the Celexa, they just remove inactive ingredient...but it's when I begin to experienced the worst daytime sedation problem of my life...and it's when all the things seem to begin to detoriate more also... that's all...Some works on people, others don't... I guess the SE is not a problem on me...but that's just me...I always answer not very well to the meds who act mostly to the SE...
So put the Neurotin in the top of your list as the last person to post suggest to you...I think the true one is not very expensive...well in the Canada...not a small difference between the generic and the true...
Give me some news about it ok!!!
Bye!
VIncent ;-)
Posted by desolationrower on March 27, 2009, at 2:40:26
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » bleauberry, posted by Phillipa on March 26, 2009, at 19:51:55
btw it works in part the same way nardil, by blocking metabolism of gaba. can have some nasty side effects of hair loss, weight gain. have you ever tried buspirone? i think one of those might be useful to replace the daily benzo, like the lyrica might be useful prn. it might work just to have a different type of medicine. still, i think for most people depakote is more side effects than a benzo. hope the apt goes well
-d/r
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 9:21:22
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Phillipa, posted by desolationrower on March 27, 2009, at 2:40:26
> btw it works in part the same way nardil, by blocking metabolism of gaba. can have some nasty side effects of hair loss, weight gain. have you ever tried buspirone? i think one of those might be useful to replace the daily benzo, like the lyrica might be useful prn. it might work just to have a different type of medicine. still, i think for most people depakote is more side effects than a benzo. hope the apt goes well
>
> -d/rI think benzos and all the others gaba-b type of meds works differently on everyone. Like I wrote yesterday, some people became addicted fast on benzos, others dont... Lyrica or Neurontin work on some people, for some people thats not working at all...
My point of view is ...the more comorbidities you have (example: Primary problem = SAD with comorbidities of GAD, panic disorder + agoraphobia, depression, BDD, ADD + fast addiction or past abuse of drugs or alcohol...) and harder your problem will be resolved... mean a lot of trials, therapies, combo... I also think the modern psychiatric medecine don't know really how the anxiety problems works in the brains... For some people, the SSRI's will work, for others like me the SSRI's will decrease their state...seem like the SE is not implicated in the anxiety process, at least the social anxiety... the med who work on the NE and DA seem to increase also the anxiety ... some people talk about the difference between meds who inhibt the SE, NE and DA VS the meds who block the reuptake of the SE, NE, DA...it's seem that the ones who block the reuptake increase the anxiety... so I wonder what are the meds who just do the inhibition of the SE, the NE or the DA ??? That'S the question...On some website, I read that some meds do both action...block the reuptake and inhibt it...so what is the diffirence??? Why one is more good than the other one... I don'T know... Why some people with social anxiety will react very well on stimulant drugs and improve...and why some people like me will decrease on them... at the same time, why I decrease also on drugs who produce a too much sedative effect or a too much relaxant effect???
So much questions...so less answer...I'm just totally lost...
Posted by garnet71 on March 27, 2009, at 10:51:08
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » desolationrower, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 9:21:22
"So much questions...so less answer...I'm just totally lost..."
That makes two of us.
lol
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 14:36:45
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Vincent_QC, posted by garnet71 on March 27, 2009, at 10:51:08
> "So much questions...so less answer...I'm just totally lost..."
>
> That makes two of us.
>
> lollol !!! Funny! ;-) And I suppose I also do a lot of grammaticals errors on that also (So much questions...so less answer) as usual...lol
I need some english courses and a boyfriend...can I get those in a 2 for 1 package???
Posted by desolationrower on March 28, 2009, at 21:59:53
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » garnet71, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 14:36:45
catecholamines are effected by stimulants, tcas, amois, etc.
-d/r
Posted by Vincent_QC on March 29, 2009, at 8:19:32
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » Vincent_QC, posted by desolationrower on March 28, 2009, at 21:59:53
> catecholamines are effected by stimulants, tcas, amois, etc.
>
> -d/rd/r...Still don't understand what kind of meds or drugs it can be??? Ritalin, Adderall, Cocaine, who act on the reuptake of DA or meds who work on the reuptake of NE like all the TCAs like Nortiptyline...or the Cymbalta or the new Pristiq for example??? Meds who act on the reuptake of SE are they act as catecholamines also???
As for the inhibition...is it the same as the reuptake? Someone told me is was not the same kind of action...pointing out the fact is was more good for anxiety taking a med who work by inhibiting the SE, NE and DA than acting by the reuptake of the SE, NE or the DA????
That's so complicated... I don't understand very well the principle of the meds who block the receptors...making the SE or NE or DA level more high in the brains...or the inihbithion who don't block it but make the brains produce more of the SE, NE or DA...?
Also as a reminder... dont forget the list of vitamins or any others things I have to get tested for my blood test please !!! lol Out of subject here!!! ;-) My appointment is in 2 weeks...
But well, to return in the subject... Since the social phobia is my main disease, but since also the general anxiety seem to be also the main disease since a while, I Can say by experience that all the drugs who act by blocking the receptors like the classics SSRI'S make me feel worse...decrease my motivation, decrease my energy level, make me fat, make me feel numb, my anxiety stay always the same, sometimes it's worse, even if I wait 3 months or more to see some improve at high doses....Same apply with stimulants...I get very excited, more focus but more anxious also, especially if im in a social event or if I get worried about my heart who begin to beat fast...I have a small ADD problem, I tend to not being able to finish what I start, not having order in my things, cant keep a budget and manage my money, that's why since I don't work I receive an amount of money at the begining of each month and after 1-2 weeks i'm out of money...it's burning in my hands...I was doing more than 20 000$-30 000$ each years before I fall sick again and I was a student at the same time and I never was able to keep money in my bank account, the pay day was like winning the lottery!!!
Anyway...Stimulants worse my social anxiety...give me some tics, some not volounters mouvements, muscles spasm, hands shake... and meds who block the NE seem to make my heart race at the speed of light...so got me anxious and tend to make me doing panic attack and over paranoid about my heart...
Only the MAOIs seem to be ok, they not worse my anxiety, my depression or anything else...they tend to make me tired...but that's usual for everyone I think...but they don't seem to help me a lot...just help to reduce the benzos intake...the problem is that I can't reach the effective dosage because of the heart effect (hypotension orthostatic and hypertension)... I still don't know if I can take something to reduce the hypertension on a MAOI...something smooth like Inderall... The other problem is that sometimes I have also hypotension on them...the blood pressure is never stable...one minute it's high, one minute after it'S very low... so I can imagine the meds for lowering my blodd pressure is not a good solution???
Anyway...long post for nothing as usual, I tend to repeat myself...and I know you don't like long post d/r...since I Can see you never write long answer... maybe it's in my imagination and you like reading long post also... I cannot judge you with some letters and numbers that appears on my laptop screen!!! Another of my problem...I Tend to judge easily the others people... I have to change this!!!
I have so much things in my head...can't just stop thinking ....
Thanks for your help d/r!!! You are very nice!
Have a good sunday and take care of you ok !
Vincent ;-)
Posted by garnet71 on March 29, 2009, at 8:58:13
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » garnet71, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 14:36:45
And I suppose I also do a lot of grammaticals errors on that also (So much questions...so less answer) as usual...lol
>
> I need some english courses and a boyfriend...can I get those in a 2 for 1 package???_______________________
Bon jour,
haha. Well I need some French courses and a boyfriend, so I'm looking for the same type of package :))
PLEASE don't worry about your English!! Your grammar is good and no worse than half of the people in the U.S.-seriously. I once had a teacher from China who had better English than about 90 percent of Americans. I recognized this the day I met her, and when I remarked about it later-she was shocked I had said that; but, it was no exaggeration. She had almost failed her English courses originally and she revealed how it hurt her self-esteem. She later got her PhD in linguistics. It made her very happy to hear that from an American.
Most people don't bother to check their grammar and spelling in informal settings/online communication. I've noticed on other forums, the grammar Nazis often call this out, contending language is being cheapened. However, it is inevitable that our communication style is changing as we evolve alongside technology. There is a lot of research going on to study how/if internet communication is changing our language dynamics or altering our cognition.
Besides, in a few years, China will be the country with the greatest number of English-speaking people. "Chinglish" might evolve to be the world language. Lots of Chinese are emmigrating to Africa, too, investing and starting businesses; spreading the language around and all.
No worries-you are a breath of fresh air here :))
Au revoir (see I remember 4 French words-impressive, huh?)
Posted by desolationrower on March 30, 2009, at 1:51:50
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » desolationrower, posted by Vincent_QC on March 29, 2009, at 8:19:32
catecholamines=NA,DA, adrenaline
-d/r
Posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
In reply to Re: Depakote for Anxiety Instead Of Benzos???? » desolationrower, posted by Vincent_QC on March 27, 2009, at 9:21:22
Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
> > btw it works in part the same way nardil, by blocking metabolism of gaba. can have some nasty side effects of hair loss, weight gain. have you ever tried buspirone? i think one of those might be useful to replace the daily benzo, like the lyrica might be useful prn. it might work just to have a different type of medicine. still, i think for most people depakote is more side effects than a benzo. hope the apt goes well
> >
> > -d/r
>
> I think benzos and all the others gaba-b type of meds works differently on everyone. Like I wrote yesterday, some people became addicted fast on benzos, others dont... Lyrica or Neurontin work on some people, for some people thats not working at all...
>
> My point of view is ...the more comorbidities you have (example: Primary problem = SAD with comorbidities of GAD, panic disorder + agoraphobia, depression, BDD, ADD + fast addiction or past abuse of drugs or alcohol...) and harder your problem will be resolved... mean a lot of trials, therapies, combo... I also think the modern psychiatric medecine don't know really how the anxiety problems works in the brains... For some people, the SSRI's will work, for others like me the SSRI's will decrease their state...seem like the SE is not implicated in the anxiety process, at least the social anxiety... the med who work on the NE and DA seem to increase also the anxiety ... some people talk about the difference between meds who inhibt the SE, NE and DA VS the meds who block the reuptake of the SE, NE, DA...it's seem that the ones who block the reuptake increase the anxiety... so I wonder what are the meds who just do the inhibition of the SE, the NE or the DA ??? That'S the question...On some website, I read that some meds do both action...block the reuptake and inhibt it...so what is the diffirence??? Why one is more good than the other one... I don'T know... Why some people with social anxiety will react very well on stimulant drugs and improve...and why some people like me will decrease on them... at the same time, why I decrease also on drugs who produce a too much sedative effect or a too much relaxant effect???
>
> So much questions...so less answer...I'm just totally lost...
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2009, at 21:48:55
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
Is there something that you would like to read? I understand above posts. Does anyone else not understand? Sometimes it can be difficult. What don't you understand? Just curious? Phillipa
Posted by ricker on May 16, 2009, at 22:15:58
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
> Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
Well, I'm thinking the name of the website may have a little to do with it. Sometimes, when you're not feeling well, grammar takes a back seat?
Cheers, Rick
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:39:00
In reply to please the what say you say the then for what, posted by plenty on May 16, 2009, at 21:41:55
> Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
>Because some people, like me, dont speak in english, that's not my mother tongue and I do my best to express myself and take a lot of times to write in english, even if it take me all my concentration do be able to do this...
If someone like you, don't understand that not everyone speak and write in english very well (BTW english is not the only one speak language in the world), at least you can't told US that we don't make some efforts to do it!!!
If you are not happy about my post, just dont read it. I don't know a lot of english people who will take the chance to write in french...
Think about it...
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:46:50
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what » plenty, posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:39:00
> > Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
> >
>
> Because some people, like me, dont speak in english, that's not my mother tongue and I do my best to express myself and take a lot of times to write in english, even if it take me all my concentration do be able to do this...
>
> If someone like you, don't understand that not everyone speak and write in english very well (BTW english is not the only one speak language in the world), at least you can't told US that we don't make some efforts to do it!!!
>
> If you are not happy about my post, just dont read it. I don't know a lot of english people who will take the chance to write in french...
>
> Think about it...Ho I'm lost here... Who write this at first???
> > Why do you people post if you cannot bother to express yourselves, respectively, in coherent complete sentences?
> >Is it Plenty???
Anyway, I add the name of the previous poster, I think it was ricker...and i'm sorry because I wasnt anger at you but at the person who wrote the nasty message about my grammaticals errors...again...
Posted by Vincent_QC on May 17, 2009, at 11:50:37
In reply to Re: please the what say you say the then for what, posted by ricker on May 16, 2009, at 22:15:58
>
> Well, I'm thinking the name of the website may have a little to do with it. Sometimes, when you're not feeling well, grammar takes a back seat?
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> Cheers, RickYou're so right Rick... add the fact that english is not my mother tongue and you will ending doing a lot of grammaticals errors also! My main problem is my verbs tense...the english expression...we use a lot of expression in french that cannot be traduce in english... I tend to do a "word by word" translation...so you see the result...Not very good...lol
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