Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 870746

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Is Provigil addictive?

Posted by NKP on December 25, 2008, at 13:44:11

Would a doctor be angry if I asked to be prescribed Provigil?

Thanks.

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive?

Posted by SLS on December 25, 2008, at 14:42:14

In reply to Is Provigil addictive?, posted by NKP on December 25, 2008, at 13:44:11

> Would a doctor be angry if I asked to be prescribed Provigil?

Probably not.

Provigil is not a classic stimulant like amphetamine or Ritalin. It has very little, if any, addictive potential. Its mechanisms of action are unlike those of the psychostimulants. Provigil is more of a promoter of wakefulness and vigilance than it is a promoter of accelerated pychomotor and euphoriant effects.

I would hope that your doctor would not discount stimulants altogether from consideration to treat his patients.


- Scott

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? NKP

Posted by Vincent_QC on December 25, 2008, at 15:00:35

In reply to Is Provigil addictive?, posted by NKP on December 25, 2008, at 13:44:11

For what I know about Provigil, that's not working on the brains like the others stimulants...and it's less addictive.

"Modafinil is thought to have less potential for abuse than other stimulants due to the absence of any significant euphoric or pleasurable effects."

That's what you can find on wikipedia...but sometimes wikipedia is not the best website to take your informations.

I ask my psychiatrist to prescribe it to me a couple of months ago but it was not cover by insurrance, so he give to me regular Ritalin, that I found completely unnecessary, since coffee stimule me more than this. He had just good comments to said about Provigil (Modafinil), it's cause less anxiety than regular stimulant drugs, especially if you don't use it for an ADD problem but more for an additionnal drug to help you with ecessive daytime sleepiness cause by regular antidepressive drugs. IF you're not at all anxious or panic disorders don't affect you, maybe some others stimulants can help you without being too addicting...

I know also that Adderall-Xr can be a good choice, but is more addicting, it's made with mixed amphetamine salts, less addicting than the regular and less expensive cheap version made only with one ingredient call Dexedrine. I ask for a prescription of Adderall-Xr but it was not cover by the insurrance, so it's why my doctor don't prescribe it to me. He said it's more powerfull than Ritalin for sure and it cause more anxiety on people with existing anxiety problem or panic disorder but not for people with ADD or ADHD...

If you search well on this forum, you will find similars topics about your particular question...I think... Since i'm not an expert on stimulants drugs, and I don't try a lot of them, maybe some other peoples can help you more and share their experiences with you...

Well, mery christmas to you , take care and I hope you will find your answer and have some help here soon ;-)

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive?

Posted by Quintal on December 25, 2008, at 16:07:57

In reply to Is Provigil addictive?, posted by NKP on December 25, 2008, at 13:44:11

Mine was. He was adamant that he wasn't "going to prescribe any kind of stimulant". This was some years ago and attitudes might have changed though. I suppose it depends on what you want it for.

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive?

Posted by Phillipa on December 25, 2008, at 22:53:44

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive?, posted by Quintal on December 25, 2008, at 16:07:57

I hear it's very expensive. But dont understand how something can keep you out of fatigue and not give coffee jitters as can't tolerate coffee been drinking green teas to try and wake-up but remaining tired? Phillipa

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal + Phillipa

Posted by Vincent_QC on December 26, 2008, at 8:39:36

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive?, posted by Phillipa on December 25, 2008, at 22:53:44

> I hear it's very expensive. But dont understand how something can keep you out of fatigue and not give coffee jitters as can't tolerate coffee been drinking green teas to try and wake-up but remaining tired? Phillipa


That's very expensive, well in Canada (Quebec province). Provigil (Modafinil) cost 38$ for 30 caps of 100mg...the generic version cost 93$ for 100 caps of 100mg...

Adderall-XR cost is a lot more high...100 caps of 30mg for 275$ !!! And no insurrance cover it in the Canada.

So it's probalby why all the people use the cheap stimulants like Ritalin, 100 caps of 20mg for 48$...or Dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine) 100 caps of 15mg for 50$.

Coffee jitters??? Coffee have the propreities to worst the anxiety in people who are not use to drink it, but at the same time, he make people more social...In fact, coffee don't work on the brain like other stimulants. Caffeine is metabolized in the liver and acts by increasing lipolysis, leading to elevated glycerol and free fatty acid levels in the blood plasma, dilates blood vessels and increases urine volume, relaxes smooth muscles of the bronchi and is sometimes use to treat asthma. Coffee act more as an antagonist of adenosine, decrease heart rate and have coronary artery vasodilatation effects...that's probably why some newer pain killer like Tylenol or Advil contain caffein in them, that's good to take coffee and advils or tylenols at the same time, especially if you do often migraines or headache...I use this method to treat mine since a while...Nothing else I Try succedd to reduce my headache, even the most expensive newer medecine for migraine...

Tea contain theophylline and it work like the caffeine on the system, especially the cardio vascular system...but tea is less powerfull, so you have to drink more of it to feel the same effect.

The main problem with caffeine is that the body get used of it very fast...addiction and increase of dosage is needed to feel the same initial good effects. It's probaly why, in my case, I don't feel the anxiety effect of it since I drink coffee for a while and in a good amount. I can also sleep on it...

I withdraw completly of coffee last summer, stop coffee and all the others sources of caffeine... and I was worse than ever...more tired than usual and less sociable also...Since I re-introduce it in my daily regiment, I feel more well...have less headache, so yeah i'm addicted to it, but that's not worsing my social phobia problem or my anxiety...the more BIGT effect I get from it is that my hands and feets get sometimes wet. And I admit I like coffee taste...i'm not talking about Maxwell house of Folger cheap brands of coffee...lol Anyway..i'm out of subject again...

For Quintal, I wonder why your doctor will not give you Provigil? I mean, it's not like you want to use them like a recreational drug?

A good doctor will always take the time to listen to you and give good advises for you...about your special case...or your particular desease. That's what I mean...So good luck and i'm sure your doctor will help you... ;-)

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal + Vincent_QC

Posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2008, at 19:39:37

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal + Phillipa, posted by Vincent_QC on December 26, 2008, at 8:39:36

Vincent if coffee isn't a stimulant how come docs don't allow it if anxious or on a psych unit? I need to google the tea as know chocolate has theophilline used in asthma but never heard of it in tea??? Love Phillipa

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal +

Posted by Vincent_QC on December 26, 2008, at 22:02:03

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal + Vincent_QC, posted by Phillipa on December 26, 2008, at 19:39:37

> Vincent if coffee isn't a stimulant how come docs don't allow it if anxious or on a psych unit? I need to google the tea as know chocolate has theophilline used in asthma but never heard of it in tea??? Love Phillipa

Hi Phillipa,
I don't write that coffee was not a stimulant...but it affect the brains differently than the others stimulants...

Tea is maybe less strong than coffee but it's also a stimulant...not more good or not more bad as coffee " Tea contains theanine, and the stimulant caffeine at about 3% of its dry weight, translating to between 30 mg and 90 mg per 8 oz (250 ml) cup depending on type, brand and brewing method. Tea also contains small amounts of theobromine and theophylline..."

For what I know and my experience, I completly withdraw any caffeine in my life for a couple of months and I was not less anxious or less depressive and I still had social phobia and general anxiety at this time, even worst than when I was drinking coffee.

Some studies show that caffeine stimule social interraction between people...so if the coffee is banned from your psychiatrist hospital, it's probably because they just don't want to make hospitalised people more anxious...being hospitalised is a major source of stress.

I wonder why each time I go see my family doctor or my psychiatrist, they always have a big cup of coffee on their desk!!! lol I can smell the good odor of coffee 1 mile around !!! lol

At the psychiatrict hospital where I go, coffee is allowed..and no psychiatrists or doctors told me to stop it completly...they all agree on the fact that 3 or 4 cups maximum a day is allowed, even if you are anxious.

Anyway, all people are different, for me, coffee don't worst my social anxiety, it make it less strong. With coffee, I can find a little bit of energy to do what I have to do at daytime. At least, it's natural.

And another point, why a psychiatrist, like the one I had before, prescribe to me Ritalin in the past? And why some others people on this forum are on stimulants drugs even if they are anxious?...If my main problem is general anxiety and social phobia, that weird no? Mean that some people react very well on stimulants drugs for recover of their social phobia problem or anxiety...others need more benzo drugs to help them , others need a combination of these 2 types of drugs, others need to add an AD also and other just need an AD... So like I Write, we are all different...I don't argue on this...and yeah, coffee can cause anxiety...but as far I know, SSRI's or SRNI's or even Parnate or any other drugs can cause anxiety as a side effect...even Advils or Tylenols...lol

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? Vincent_QC

Posted by Quintal on December 27, 2008, at 9:53:40

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive? /Quintal + Phillipa, posted by Vincent_QC on December 26, 2008, at 8:39:36

>For Quintal, I wonder why your doctor will not give you Provigil? I mean, it's not like you want to use them like a recreational drug?

No, of course not. There's just a thing about stimulants in the UK. My doctor might not have been clear about the distinction. He reffered to it as "an amphetamine-like drug". My post was intended to warn that some doctors might be ignorant and may indeed be outraged if asked to prescribe it.

>A good doctor will always take the time to listen to you and give good advises for you...about your special case...or your particular desease. That's what I mean...So good luck and i'm sure your doctor will help you... ;-)

I have changed doctors since then. This new one has been very open to experiment. I think he would give me Provigil if there was just cause. I responded very badly to adrafinil - it actually worsened my fatigue. He is giving me Parnate (which is very daring of him) and that has always given me the desired effect when I've taken it in the past.

Q

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive?

Posted by NKP on December 28, 2008, at 2:44:07

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive? Vincent_QC, posted by Quintal on December 27, 2008, at 9:53:40

Thanks everyone for your input.

I am thinking of possibly taking Provigil because I have difficulty staying awake during the day, although I don't think I have narcolepsy.

 

Re: Is Provigil addictive? NKP

Posted by Phillipa on December 28, 2008, at 20:03:50

In reply to Re: Is Provigil addictive?, posted by NKP on December 28, 2008, at 2:44:07

I have read that some skip a day or two so don't lose the effects. Good luck with your choice!!!! Phillipa


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