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Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2008, at 19:11:34

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa, posted by johnj on July 2, 2008, at 21:13:48

I've found the darn low dose of luvox harder seems my brain likes it and want off of that. Some valium I will always take. I work on the computer we do ebay and post late at night. And get up late. And then out to make purchases so computer is necessary. Check in here now and then. This is now my babble time as I do it before dinner and yes we do eat late. Thanks for the support guys. Love Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa

Posted by johnj on July 3, 2008, at 22:57:24

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2008, at 19:11:34

"I've found the darn low dose of luvox harder seems my brain likes it and want off of that."

I am not sure what you mean here. You think you need it or not?


"Some valium I will always take. "

Why? If you think you will always need it then you will. You will never know without trying. When did you start meds and why? Think back on when you were med free and remember that feeling, maybe you can get it back. Have you ever considered life style changes?

johnj

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 6:53:17

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa, posted by johnj on July 2, 2008, at 21:13:48

> I know you will not like to hear this but being on Dr. Bob all day is not healthy for you. Being on the computer all day is also not healthy.


I think alot of folks have attempted to help phillipa question the amount of posting (note just posting - not to mention any posts she does not post to on this board which are few) could be a problem and the amount of posting has thus given way to enabling another problem in and of itself. Unfortunately, the anti-addiction limits are voluntary and at present, there is no limit on number of posts per day and such. I often question how helpful allowing unlimited access impacts an OCD sufferer.

phillipa does not see her partisipation as a problem, thus the excuses and rationalizations whenever it is questioned by others. I think a number of people do see a very unhealthy behavior that has gone on for years and years. It has not appeared change anything toward the postive for phillipa but I have certainly seen a negative impact to this board. I wish phillipa would think about this for her own sake but talking to her, in my experience, about it is rejected out of hand.

I wish phillipa's mental health would improve but I believe so long as she continues with the behavior she exhibits here, that's enabling an off shoot problem.

I'll accept my santions now for saying this ----

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 7:27:21

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2008, at 19:11:34

You will probably not consider me supportive. You need to work with your doc and a therapist - you DO have ones as you have reported that - and figure out a new plan of some form. You need to look at your behaviors as to what is NOT working and what is unhealthy. You need to stop always being the victim and it all being someone or something else's fault. You need to realize your posting is compulsive rather than just something you do for shitz and giggles and to pass the time. Using the boards in somewhat of a social network fashion is fine so long as that's not the ONLY social network in your life. And used because you feel it's safe as it's words on a page and not face to face. You appointed yourself the greeter of this board, a role you do not have to have and is not good for you. You do not HAVE to address most posts on this board simply because that what you've always done. For you personally, your answers are not to be found here - if they were you would found them by now.

I'm sure you will be angered by my post but you are honest here and I feel the need to be also.

If I'm going to get blocked and I've no doubt I will, it may as well be over something I feel is important. You have concerned me for many years but the civility rules have graded down any comments I had. Today, I don't care - it will be deemed uncivil but it is what I think is very true. Continuing to post as you do now on Dr. Bob's site will keep you sicker and sicker and wallowing in your challenges.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Mc Comfortable

Posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 7:59:54

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 6:53:17

I agree wtih you, I thought a little tough love would work. I think I may have been wrong. Being on ocd sufferer I understand what is going on but you have to make the determination to change. In my case I just got sick of the repeatative behavior. I too feel the board has degraded and it is best that I probably take a break just like linkadge has done. I wish you the best.

It is sad when one refuses to help themselves get better it can bring everyone down. regards

johnj

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 8:10:43

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Mc Comfortable, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 7:59:54

Ah, bless you johnj.

I find it great that people care enough to try and help others even if, at times, as I have recently done, it appears to seem mean-spirited. In my case, it really isn't but after years and years of being confounded it has turned to frustration. I just don't get it at all - maybe that's not good but it's where I am with this.

I enjoy your posts and feel you are on your path for what works for you ----- in that continuing in a positive vein, I wish you the very best.

Take good care of you.

 

Re: Mr Comfortable

Posted by dbc on July 4, 2008, at 12:32:11

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Mc Comfortable, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 7:59:54

Someone has failed to grasp the compulsive nature of the internet. Check out the massive 20 something oriented forums like somethingawful or 4chan (you really probably dont want to see what 4chan is). There is people that literally live on those forums and post 24 hours a day.

The biggest game on the internet that sports a 10 million person player base World of Warcraft has at least 10% of the people playing 12+ hours a day. This isnt anything new and has been going on since the dawn of usenet and probably even before that.

Philipa's behaviour is on par with the rest of the bored people on the internet despite this board being more about neurotransmitters and disorders, it still doesnt change the rules.

I dont even know philipa but im pretty certain if this were a less strictly enforced board there would be a flamewar going on.

 

Please be civil Mc Comfortable

Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 4, 2008, at 15:27:16

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 6:53:17

> I think a number of people do see a very unhealthy behavior that has gone on for years and years. It has not appeared change anything toward the postive for phillipa but I have certainly seen a negative impact to this board.

Please follow site guidelines, and do not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.

Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob

 

Please be civil johnj

Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 4, 2008, at 15:30:24

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Mc Comfortable, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 7:59:54

> It is sad when one refuses to help themselves get better it can bring everyone down.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.

Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob

 

Please be civil dbc

Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 4, 2008, at 15:32:47

In reply to Re: Mr Comfortable, posted by dbc on July 4, 2008, at 12:32:11

> Philipa's behaviour is on par with the rest of the bored people on the internet despite this board being more about neurotransmitters and disorders, it still doesnt change the rules.

Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, or jump to conclusions about others.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.

Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob

 

Re: dbc

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 15:39:12

In reply to Re: Mr Comfortable, posted by dbc on July 4, 2008, at 12:32:11

> Someone has failed to grasp the compulsive nature of the internet.

I'm unsure what you're meaning there but I am aware of the pitfalls, IMO, of internet use. My personal opinion is I do not think of it as a healthy behavior for a large number of reasons. In following a board for some time - consisent and off and on - some repeated "stuff" has become mainly all I can see. Maybe it's a sign for me to go and leave the board to those who appear to run it and are allowed to do as they please.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 16:53:34

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa, posted by johnj on July 3, 2008, at 22:57:24

> "I've found the darn low dose of luvox harder seems my brain likes it and want off of that."
>
> I am not sure what you mean here. You think you need it or not?
>
>
> "Some valium I will always take. "
>
> Why? If you think you will always need it then you will. You will never know without trying. When did you start meds and why? Think back on when you were med free and remember that feeling, maybe you can get it back. Have you ever considered life style changes?
>
> johnj

What works for one may not work for another. You have decided to do total withdrawel and maybe that has worked for you. Also the older you get the situation changes. Being on klonopin for years I atttempted withdrawel. BP went up and I found there were times I needed a dose. What you have to remember anxiety has very bad physical effects on the body and much worse when one is in their 60's. So i have compromised I adjust my dose as needed. Some days I only take one 1 mg pills most days 1.5 milligrams and on bad days 2 milligrams. yes i exercise and eat well to reduce anxiety. Sometimes we have to compromise. I'd rather see phillipe adjust her dosages and do with as little as possible to get buy rather than suffer needlessly for the sake of withdrawel. At my age I don't have a year to suffer for the sake of saying I'm drug free and Phillipe is around my age. As I said earlier I think a good first step is seeing if one can lower their dose to a level they're comfortable with. Sometimes there seems to be a philosophy of meds or no meds. Phillipe is actually doing better right now and is more fuctional as I communicate with her. So why put excessive stress with her as either take valium or no valium. I think reduction or taking doses as needed is a valid game plan.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Justherself54 on July 4, 2008, at 18:20:34

In reply to Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2008, at 15:30:15

> I don't get it as I've cut my valium from 20mg to 15mg a night and now I'm more tired then ever. Makes no sense to me as I thought anxiety would go up?? Anyone have an idea why this could be happening as need to do a lot of things and it's all force. Thanks for your knowledge. Love Phillipa


I wonder if you are still recouping from surgery and that may be contributing to your feeling tired. I know it took me way longer than I thought it would to get some energy back. I agree with the previous poster. Cut back to where you are comfortable...and I'm sure your doctor is supervising the decrease...take care. Do you think the Luvox is pooping out on you?

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 19:04:37

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Justherself54 on July 4, 2008, at 18:20:34

> > I don't get it as I've cut my valium from 20mg to 15mg a night and now I'm more tired then ever. Makes no sense to me as I thought anxiety would go up?? Anyone have an idea why this could be happening as need to do a lot of things and it's all force. Thanks for your knowledge. Love Phillipa
>
>
> I wonder if you are still recouping from surgery and that may be contributing to your feeling tired. I know it took me way longer than I thought it would to get some energy back. I agree with the previous poster. Cut back to where you are comfortable...and I'm sure your doctor is supervising the decrease...take care. Do you think the Luvox is pooping out on you?
>

And i agree with you also. There's so many reasons she could be tired. Thyroid, surgery among many issues in her life you can't come to the conclusion that cutting valium 5 mg is causing fatigue when generally cutting a benzo leads to more energy. The original post is very vague with many possible variables.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2

Posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 16:53:34

You missed the point. She said she has NO increase in anxiety when she cut. So why take it??? If it is just withdrawal (the tiredness)it will pass and the only way to know it is to try. Running back to a med if it isn't helping doesn't make sense to me. If a person is doing better on less meds and isn't having more depression or anxiety that may tell a person something.

I am better not than when I was 28 and that has been many, many years ago. So saying the older you get the worse anxiety is is not always accurate. BTW: I am not anti-med at all.

I resent the fact that you say that I AM putting stress on her. I am seeing it is getting time for me to leave this site.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:24:15

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

Wow just got home from a family occassion 12 hours away so wasn't here on the computer all day. Thanks Bulldog and Justherself. Maybe I should post a separate explanation which I personally don't find necesary but will.Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:24:15

Yes wondering if any of you read admin as Dr. Bob has requested that posters help out and great new people with green flags next to there name. So that question I feel is answered. I think I get one more. Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:32:31

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

37 years on a benzos is a long time 62 years old. Now the time line is running out on my life and I feel I should not and it wouldn't be healthy for me to get of meds that my brain has adapted to. So A simple question turned Into a Dispute. That is very sad on a board that is meant to support others. Sorry you feel this way about me but I try and that is all anyone can do. I see a thead started by a person and no replies and out of concern and kindness guess the nursing of old kicks in and I want the person to know someone has heard them. I have broken no rules and will continue to post until a new rule stops it. Thanks for listening and especially thanks to the Deputies that work so hard for Dr. Bob when he personally can not be here. Phillipa

 

Re: Phillipa

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

> Yes wondering if any of you read admin as Dr. Bob has requested that posters help out and great new people with green flags next to there name. So that question I feel is answered. I think I get one more. Phillipa


>> Wonder no more about me reading (and posting on) adm. as I am very interested in the adm. of this site. I wonder if you have read adm. when the subject has arose concerning limiting the number of posts by any one poster? The three post rule is already in place to thwart any one poster monopolizing. The last I remember, Dr. Bob stated he was thinking of how to best address the issue of frequent postings by any one single poster. So, I am of the opinion Dr. Bob has received concerns and does see it as an issue.

No one poster is assigned to greet as far as I can see on Adm. or on the various board's mission statements

I have also brought up if Dr. Bob ever considers exploring the posters who cause other posters such frustration that a number in the community receive PCB's, blocks and make a decision to leave the board.

Just because there is not rule against a behavior does not mean it isn't a problem behavior for the whole of the community AND a problem for the individual poster. Should you care to see my ADM. posts you can check the board itself or I'll be glad to post the link.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 5, 2008, at 8:15:41

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

> You missed the point. She said she has NO increase in anxiety when she cut. So why take it??? If it is just withdrawal (the tiredness)it will pass and the only way to know it is to try. Running back to a med if it isn't helping doesn't make sense to me. If a person is doing better on less meds and isn't having more depression or anxiety that may tell a person something. I mean benzo withdrawel is rarely charcterized by fatigue. Also I did say she should go with the lowest amt that works and if that's nothing that so be it.
>
> I am better not than when I was 28 and that has been many, many years ago. So saying the older you get the worse anxiety is is not always accurate. BTW: I am not anti-med at all.
>
> I resent the fact that you say that I AM putting stress on her. I am seeing it is getting time for me to leave this site.
>
>

No you missed my point! her fatigue could be caused by many things! Generally withdrawing from a benzo doesn't make you more tired. Benzos are sedating. People generally get more anxious or more energertic not fatigued. She also never said she was going to totally withdraw.How do you know it's not her thyroid, or she's sleeping poorly, or she working long hours or she depressed (symtomatic of fatigue). etc etc..

 

Re: Mc Comfortable

Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2008, at 11:10:02

In reply to Re: Phillipa, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

I don't believe greeting is or was ever an assignment just a request to help out. I'm not replying to this thread anymore. I appreciate the support I received from posters and a lot of possibilities. Thanks so much. Much Love Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by bulldog2 on July 5, 2008, at 8:15:41

" Generally withdrawing from a benzo doesn't make you more tired. Benzos are sedating.:

According to you. I was wiped out when I withdrew and you will find MANY have the same reaction. It was called REM rebound and I barely made it threw the day during withdrawal.

"How do you know it's not her thyroid, or she's sleeping poorly, or she working long hours or she depressed (symtomatic of fatigue). etc etc..:

How do you know it is caused by something else as she SAID this happened after cutting? I was going by what she said not you trying to interpret for her, geez. By all means let's keep taking meds that are doing no good for us instead of going off OR finding ones that make us better. I was on meds for 15 years before going off! I am not buying that my brain needs them. Alcoholics and illegal drug abuses say the same things. Meds should help and if they don't change them or go off. I think meds have great value when used properly. I know many here who are helped and I pray all will find that help. If I ever need something I have options but right now they have been making me worse.

I resent having her "fan" club come to her rescue all of the time. I am sick of her being the "first responder" and driving away good people and monopolizing the board. Most people won't say anything for fear of being blocked. I tried the repond to her with tough love and then I get emails telling me to stop picking on her. What is up with that?

I would like to thank Larry Hoover, Ron Hill, Linkadge, SLS, and some dear posters that are not here anymore for their help. The widrawal board was great too and the support we had for each other during the process was extremely valuable. You helped me through a very difficult time. I have reached my level of frustration and it is not good.

I wish everyone the best and may you all find the courage and help to get better. Whatever means works for you go with it.

johnj

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj

Posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:07:58

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

>
> Whatever means works for you go with it.

Except posting a lot on message boards?

 

give it a rest guys

Posted by elanor roosevelt on July 5, 2008, at 13:09:16

In reply to Re: Mc Comfortable, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2008, at 11:10:02

wow
all this hostility aimed at Phillipa
what's the real problem here?
maybe you should all re-read your own posts and think about it

 

Re: give it a rest guys

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:08

In reply to give it a rest guys, posted by elanor roosevelt on July 5, 2008, at 13:09:16

> wow
> all this hostility aimed at Phillipa
> what's the real problem here?


It's been plainly stated, IMO.


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